Post-Game Talk: Hook, Slash, Punch Jets lose in ot 5-4

[Farmboy Patty]

Does anyone have any insight into how many times Perron has scored big goals against the Jets (OT, GWG, go ahead, etc). It seems it’s always him! And it’s grinding my gears!!

(we need to acquire him )

A line with Copp, Lowry and Perron would be pretty sweet...

 

[Duke749]

Does anyone have any insight into how many times Perron has scored big goals against the Jets (OT, GWG, go ahead, etc). It seems it’s always him! And it’s grinding my gears!!

(we need to acquire him )

We need to knock him into next week.

 

[kcin94]

Is Ehlers of the 2nd pp aswell?

What 2nd PP?

 

[10Ducky10]

Funny how people see how some players played so differently . I thought Beaulieu was absolutely horrible again , the guy falls all the time and makes bonehead plays with the puck . The best thing for the Jets is to be down a goal in the 3rd because then he barely plays . Helly has been great this season but we should have won 4-2 if he plays a little better . Glad we fought back and picked up a point , every point is gonna be crucial from here on out . The plain Jane thread is still alive 4-0-2 now .

I saw that...

 

[FFHockey]

In three on three you don't dump it in, you bring it out of the zone and let your team change, not try and beat 3 guys. Just a dumb dumb play

Agree, that is typically the play to rag it and let your line mates change but both sides were out there for a long time. Jets could have made a wholesale change in short order. Bad choice by 55 either way

 

[puck stoppa]

Agree, that is typically the play to rag it and let your line mates change but both sides were out there for a long time. Jets could have made a wholesale change in short order. Bad choice by 55 either way

He made three plays that were worse before the goal on his two shifts. Watch the OT and the 3-1 he gives up then goes on to stand in our slot watching them fire shots at Helly. He really has tunnel vision in OT which makes no sense.

 

[GNP]

Have to comment on the lack of using Ehlers in OT.
It baffles me as he usually weaves his way up the ice in 5 on 5 situations with little room to manoeuvre and gains the zone time after time.
I think he’d be dynamite in OT... there must be reasons he's not out there, and I'd love to hear them.

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Yeah -- you and me both -- overtime is a speed and possession game, and Ehlers is one of the best Jets at both. I don't understand why Maurice won't play him in OT ?? I'd like to hear some common sense reasons.

Maurice is a stubborn type coach, and doesn't like to change his ways until forced -- like thru injuries or something.

 

[KingBogo]

He made three plays that were worse before the goal on his two shifts. Watch the OT and the 3-1 he gives up then goes on to stand in our slot watching them fire shots at Helly. He really has tunnel vision in OT which makes no sense.

The thing is he leads the way with OT points over the last couple seasons. No one is even close to him it terms of OT goals over the last 2 seasons. Maybe he is now trying to do too much feeling the need to score.

 

[puck stoppa]

The thing is he leads the way with OT points over the last couple seasons. No one is even close to him it terms of OT goals over the last 2 seasons. Maybe he is now trying to do too much feeling the need to score.

He’s always missed his assignments in OT. He leaves his man constantly to defend a player already covered by another Jet. He even did this earlier in year vs Dallas but ended up scoring on the 2-1, but cheating like that in OT is not necessary. It’s not him feeling the need to score, his hockey IQ simply goes out the window in OT and I’m not sure why. Watch the OT again and you’ll see what I mean, I’m not even talking about the turnover but about not covering his man. Him and Wheeler together were the worst at this and it may be why coach split them up a while back. A guy can pile up points in OT and still play between his man and the net when the other two are covered.

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

What 2nd PP?

The one that played 5 seconds

 

[Duke749]

The thing is he leads the way with OT points over the last couple seasons. No one is even close to him it terms of OT goals over the last 2 seasons. Maybe he is now trying to do too much feeling the need to score.

I get taking risk in OT, but the initial play at the start of his shift where he went with the risky play causing a 3on1 was a selfish and frankly a terrible read. There are smarter ways to try and force an odd man rush and when you’re going right at a guy with no hope of ever getting back if you miss him and only your D back and the other forward already a bit behind the play, it’s just plain bad.

I also didn’t like the play where he got a hooking call. You could see that play develop the whole way up the ice and he just lets the guy go. To me that’s effort. And on the defensive side he hasn’t had that enough in these last two years. One thing that stuck out to me was when him and Wheeler commented about not always going 100% all year because it’s not realistic(which I agree) going into last year. Unfortunately i think that combined with the “advice” he’s been getting from Oates has caused him to develop bad habits.

 

[Gil Fisher]

The OT rotation is 55-81, 26-29, 28-27.

Mo won't put Rosie out for a dzone faceoff in OT which resulted in the doubleshift for the 55 line.

Scheifele won't come off on the fly in OT...which is the main problem. If he throws that puck all the way back to bucky and heads to the bench, 27-28 comes on and we win.

 

[Jet]

I agree, he's been pretty conservative offensively lately and much of that seems to be by design. The one time he joined the rush resulted in him sending a beauty cross ice pass to Mark for one of our better looks.

Give him a sturdier partner and he likely has more of a green light to join the play.

I am not trying to harp on Maurice as he doesn't have enough pieces on defense but some aspects of his system really hurts the overall impact on some of our players.

Low event hockey isn't really tailored to many pieces on this team. The team needs to get a few more defensive pieces and then open things up a bit imo.

Not to mention JoMo his being tasked with playing against the opposition's best with a partner in over his head. He also often lines up behind the Scheifele unit which is pretty suspect defensively. I think one of the clear goals of this year is to get Laine and Connor comfortable with going power vs power and there are growing pains with that. It also doesn't help matters that Scheifele has been below par defensively as the vet C on that line.

Can't really argue with any of this

 

[DashingDane]

Just watched the game. Saw zero reason the ice time distribution should have ended as it it did. 1st line played a good game but weren’t lights out and the other lines weren’t terrible by any means. Poor coaching imo

 

[Jet]

I get taking risk in OT, but the initial play at the start of his shift where he went with the risky play causing a 3on1 was a selfish and frankly a terrible read. There are smarter ways to try and force an odd man rush and when you’re going right at a guy with no hope of ever getting back if you miss him and only your D back and the other forward already a bit behind the play, it’s just plain bad.

I also didn’t like the play where he got a hooking call. You could see that play develop the whole way up the ice and he just lets the guy go. To me that’s effort. And on the defensive side he hasn’t had that enough in these last two years. One thing that stuck out to me was when him and Wheeler commented about not always going 100% all year because it’s not realistic(which I agree) going into last year. Unfortunately i think that combined with the “advice” he’s been getting from Oates has caused him to develop bad habits.

The Blues show exactly how to play 3v3. You possess the puck and you keep it until you get a prime opportunity. You don't need to try and force plays.

 

[LowLefty]

The thing is he leads the way with OT points over the last couple seasons. No one is even close to him it terms of OT goals over the last 2 seasons. Maybe he is now trying to do too much feeling the need to score.

And as you stated, in general he is the go to guy in OT
I think he was tired on this particular night and shouldn't have been out there for that second shift in OT -
I think Mo wanted this one bad which lead to him over playing his top center in OT

 

[LowLefty]

Just watched the game. Saw zero reason the ice time distribution should have ended as it it did. 1st line played a good game but weren’t lights out and the other lines weren’t terrible by any means. Poor coaching imo

I think the terms "lights out" and "terrible" were not in play last night - but one line was better than the other.

As several have already mentioned, a lot of that top line additional ice time came from a full 2 minute PP (where they hemmed them in for most of it) and the OT. We were also behind most of the game and that usually leads to over playing your best line.

The OT is where ice time was mismanaged a bit - so if I had to call out coaching, I might lean on Mo a little in how he managed OT.

So, I'm not sure how you came up with zero reason for the additional ice for Line 1

 

[DashingDane]

And as you stated, in general he is the go to guy in OT
I think he was tired on this particular night and shouldn't have been out there for that second shift in OT -
I think Mo wanted this one bad which lead to him over playing his top center in OT

He also overplayed him at 5v5

 

[DashingDane]

I think the terms "lights out" and "terrible" were not in play last night - but one line was better than the other.

As several have already mentioned, a lot of that top line additional ice time came from a full 2 minute PP (where they hemmed them in for most of it) and the OT. We were also behind most of the game and that usually leads to over playing your best line.

The OT is where ice time was mismanaged a bit - so if I had to call out coaching, I might lean on Mo a little in how he managed OT.

So, I'm not sure how you came up with zero reason for the additional ice for Line 1

Look at even strength. They were overplayed in all aspects of that game...

 

[Ducky10]

The OT rotation is 55-81, 26-29, 28-27.

Mo won't put Rosie out for a dzone faceoff in OT which resulted in the doubleshift for the 55 line.

Scheifele won't come off on the fly in OT...which is the main problem. If he throws that puck all the way back to bucky and heads to the bench, 27-28 comes on and we win.

Yep, the play was back to Bucky for sure. Managing Dzone faceoffs 3v3 is a waste of time, especially when Scheifele is your top choice.

 

[Atoyot]

The OT rotation is 55-81, 26-29, 28-27.

Mo won't put Rosie out for a dzone faceoff in OT which resulted in the doubleshift for the 55 line.

Scheifele won't come off on the fly in OT...which is the main problem. If he throws that puck all the way back to bucky and heads to the bench, 27-28 comes on and we win.

He won't put Roslo, who has a 54.5% faceoff percentage this season, over 46.4% Scheifele for a d-zone faceoff. Makes sense.

 

[Jet]

Morrissey is clearly a victim of the way the Jets system is running right now. He is not joining the rush at all, let alone leading it. It’s effected the way he plays and definitely effected the way he’s perceived. He was good tonight, there is just so much more there, but he’s unable to use it.

I disagree with this. Sure, he may not be rushing the puck as much as he has previously, but my issues with his play this year have had nothing to do with that. He has had many uncharacteristic gaffes and poor decisions. He is not handling the puck with the confidence he always has in the past.

Last night, he couldn't handle the puck cleanly on numerous plays, and made bad passes.

I think he is still struggling with the pressure of being our #1 D. I will say you could see him really pushing hard last night - looks like a player who is determined to break out of his struggles which is good news - he doesn't look like he's sulking or anything.

 

[KingBogo]

He’s always missed his assignments in OT. He leaves his man constantly to defend a player already covered by another Jet. He even did this earlier in year vs Dallas but ended up scoring on the 2-1, but cheating like that in OT is not necessary. It’s not him feeling the need to score, his hockey IQ simply goes out the window in OT and I’m not sure why. Watch the OT again and you’ll see what I mean, I’m not even talking about the turnover but about not covering his man. Him and Wheeler together were the worst at this and it may be why coach split them up a while back. A guy can pile up points in OT and still play between his man and the net when the other two are covered.

The Jets have been a strong OT team last season and this season mostly lead by Scheifele's OT production. Maybe his IQ isn't thrown out the window but rather he sees the advantage of high risk over conservative over the long term 3-3?

 

[LowLefty]

Look at even strength. They were overplayed in all aspects of that game...

Read my post - I've answered this already -
They were chasing this game from the 1 minute mark - so they played the top line (a lot) which happened to play a major role in getting them a point.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hey, he's had one ****ty game in a row, clearly he's horrible.

Like here we go riding the sample size roller coaster of horse**** again.

Even with one shutout in the mix, his last 6 games have been bad. Well, 5 of the 6.