Post-Game Talk: Hook, Slash, Punch Jets lose in ot 5-4

[Whileee]

The 2nd line wasn't really going and Maurice was playing the Scheifele line more 5v5 because the Jets were playing from behind by one goal all game. Also, he kept the #1 PP out for entire 2 min shifts.

Still, Ehlers should have been on during OT, I think.

Maurice didn't seem pleased with Ehlers' game, though.

 

[DashingDane]

Read my post - I've answered this already -
They were chasing this game from the 1 minute mark - so they played the top line (a lot) which happened to play a major role in getting them a point.

I realize that they were chasing and would have been fine with more toi but they were definitely overplayed.. Just look at how gassed they were at the end of third and OT. Bourque and especially Wheels also played a major role in that point. No reason to keep harping on this as we clearly disagree and that's fine...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Thanks. I went back and admit I miss quoted.

I was following along and thinking of the same quote.

I misjudged you too Dog.

 

[Positive]

Have to comment on the lack of using Ehlers in OT
It baffles me as he usually weaves his way up the ice in 5 on 5 situations with little room to manoeuvre and gains the zone time after time.
I think he’d be dynamite in OT... there must be reasons he’s not out there and I’d love to hear them.

I've posted twice already with reasons.

Also see Gil Fisher's post regarding the Jets OT rotation.

 

[LowLefty]

The 2nd line wasn't really going and Maurice was playing the Scheifele line more 5v5 because the Jets were playing from behind by one goal all game. Also, he kept the #1 PP out for entire 2 min shifts.

Still, Ehlers should have been on during OT, I think.

Maurice didn't seem pleased with Ehlers' game, though.

Maybe -
Ehlers turned it over on the first Blues goal and was real soft on the check on the second Blues goal -
Those things will drive MO crazy, especially the effort displayed on the second one.

I don't think this was one of Ehlers better games - get the bad game out of your system, take the point and move on to the next one

 

[LowLefty]

I realize that they were chasing and would have been fine with more toi but they were definitely overplayed.. Just look at how gassed they were at the end of third and OT. Bourque and especially Wheels also played a major role in that point. No reason to keep harping on this as we clearly disagree and that's fine...

Outplayed when? Are you referring to OT or in general?
If so, what are you basing this on?

Yes, we disagree

 

[DashingDane]

Maybe -
Ehlers turned it over on the first Blues goal and was real soft on the check on the second Blues goal -
Those things will drive MO crazy, especially the effort displayed on the second one.

I don't think this was one of Ehlers better games - get the bad game out of your system, take the point and move on to the next one

I completely agree it wasn’t one of his best games. No question about.

What really gets to me is that Chef, Laine and Scheifele have all had more stinkers this season and it’s never reflected in their usage. Ehlers has one poorish game where he still sets up the game tying goal and he is punished.

Sorry about all this venting to you specifically lol I’m in a particular bad mood this morning thanks to Paul.

 

[DashingDane]

Outplayed when? Are you referring to OT or in general?
If so, what are you basing this on?

Yes, we disagree

overplayed

 

[puck stoppa]

The Jets have been a strong OT team last season and this season mostly lead by Scheifele's OT production. Maybe his IQ isn't thrown out the window but rather he sees the advantage of high risk over conservative over the long term 3-3?

Nah, not for me. He’s an opportunistic goal scorer for sure but in his own zone he is awful in OT. And I like the player.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Outplayed when? Are you referring to OT or in general?
If so, what are you basing this on?

Yes, we disagree

Jets were often outplayed and hemmed in their end. They would score but I would be interested to see the advanced stats from last night in terms of zone time as well as possession time.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I've posted twice already with reasons.

Also see Gil Fisher's post regarding the Jets OT rotation.

I mean from the coaches thanks

 

[Gil Fisher]

He won't put Roslo, who has a 54.5% faceoff percentage this season, over 46.4% Scheifele for a d-zone faceoff. Makes sense.

No. It doesn't.

 

[Jets 31]

A line with Copp, Lowry and Perron would be pretty sweet...

A line with Copp , Lowry and Frenchie is pretty good too .

 

[LowLefty]

overplayed

Right - I misread
But same question - they were getting a lot of ice time based on the same reasons I have stated.
OT was another story - at that point, they were out of gas and should have seen less ice.

 

[Jets 31]

I'm not as concerned as others as to the 3 on 3 OT because there is no such thing come playoffs . Would i like Scheifele to be smarter on that OT play , yes but i think he just goes for the win too hard and forgets about defense . Like KingBogo said Scheifele has also won alot of OT's for us this season .

 

[Jets 31]

Bottom line we win that game if Helly plays like he can , you can't let in 2 short side goals like he did . I like that we fought hard and got the game to OT without Frenchie , Copp , Little and Buff . Put all 4 of those players back in our lineup and i really like our team .

 

[LowLefty]

I completely agree it wasn’t one of his best games. No question about.

What really gets to me is that Chef, Laine and Scheifele have all had more stinkers this season and it’s never reflected in their usage. Ehlers has one poorish game where he still sets up the game tying goal and he is punished.

Sorry about all this venting to you specifically lol I’m in a particular bad mood this morning thanks to Paul.

No worries - I get where you are coming from and understand support of your fav player. I do it all the time

 

[ATLbound]

Bottom line we win that game if Helly plays like he can , you can't let in 2 short side goals like he did . I like that we fought hard and got the game to OT without Frenchie , Copp , Little and Buff . Put all 4 of those players back in our lineup and i really like our team .

agreed.... and add in Niku if the guy can ever stop being the most injury prone player with the worst luck since Bryan Little... add those 5 all healthy and we got a pretty good team, compared to what we are icing right now anyways. I doubt Buff comes back. You would like to think if he did he would need at least 2-3 weeks of skates/practice and off ice workouts before playing games. Compared to drinking and fishing daily right now. Not sure Buff wants to or could handle the grind to get back to his best self. But I have not paid much attention to rumours or Buff talk cause i have thought since early on we never see him again

 

[Jets 31]

agreed.... and add in Niku if the guy can ever stop being the most injury prone player with the worst luck since Bryan Little... add those 5 all healthy and we got a pretty good team, compared to what we are icing right now anyways. I doubt Buff comes back. You would like to think if he did he would need at least 2-3 weeks of skates/practice and off ice workouts before playing games. Compared to drinking and fishing daily right now. Not sure Buff wants to or could handle the grind to get back to his best self. But I have not paid much attention to rumours or Buff talk cause i have thought since early on we never see him again

I'm hoping he comes back but not until he's ready 100% , although Buff at 50% would put him above Beaulieu and Bitetto .

 

[Atoyot]

Maybe -
Ehlers turned it over on the first Blues goal and was real soft on the check on the second Blues goal -
Those things will drive MO crazy, especially the effort displayed on the second one.

I don't think this was one of Ehlers better games - get the bad game out of your system, take the point and move on to the next one

Letting those two examples drive you crazy is a huge shortcoming of Maurice as a coach if they did in fact drive him crazy. Ehlers does a million good things a game, and I don't just mean his flashy stuff. His breakouts, entries, and play in the defensive zone are all great. Letting two insanely lucky goals reinforce his belief that Ehlers is bad defensively and using it as an excuse to play Scheifele, who is pretty bad defensively, 27 minutes and limiting Ehlers is ridiculous. If he's that vulnerable to confirmation bias then he has no business being in the position that he's in.

 

[Jets 31]

Ehlers not being on the first PP is some of the reason he got less minutes and changing lines isn't easy on 3 on 3 . You have Scheifele and Wheeler as your centers then Laine , Connor , Ehlers and Roslovic as wingers . If the other team has possession it's hard to change , the argument is who should the second winger be Connor or Ehlers because right now Laine is first . Connor had a good game and Maurice probably wanted to go with the hot hand . To me Connor and Ehlers are about equal in talent so either could be the second winger .

 

[Duke749]

Maybe -
Ehlers turned it over on the first Blues goal and was real soft on the check on the second Blues goal -
Those things will drive MO crazy, especially the effort displayed on the second one.

I don't think this was one of Ehlers better games - get the bad game out of your system, take the point and move on to the next one

Here’s the thing. Ehlers has a game like this and his ice is diminished. Connor does this and he still gets top minutes. Same for Scheif.

 

[Ducky10]

I disagree with this. Sure, he may not be rushing the puck as much as he has previously, but my issues with his play this year have had nothing to do with that. He has had many uncharacteristic gaffes and poor decisions. He is not handling the puck with the confidence he always has in the past.

Last night, he couldn't handle the puck cleanly on numerous plays, and made bad passes.

I think he is still struggling with the pressure of being our #1 D. I will say you could see him really pushing hard last night - looks like a player who is determined to break out of his struggles which is good news - he doesn't look like he's sulking or anything.

Looks to me like a guy trying not to let the whole thing cave in. It’s definitely effecting his game. He’s made mistakes, but he always has but I attribute a lot of that to not only adjusting to being a number 1 but also adjusting to being a number 1 playing with a 5 or 6.

 

[Hulide]

To me Connor and Ehlers are about equal in talent so either could be the second winger .

Not the past 3 years and not in the future according to Paul Maurice i Guarantee you that.. but hey we got a point and we are still in a playoff spot

 

[Eyeseeing]

Here’s the thing. Ehlers has a game like this and his ice is diminished. Connor does this and he still gets top minutes. Same for Scheif.

I’d love for the press to ask Maurice about this.
I don’t want posters telling me about Ehlers shortcomings.