Post-Game Talk: Hook, Slash, Punch Jets lose in ot 5-4

[Adam da bomb]

Looks to me like a guy trying not to let the whole thing cave in. It’s definitely effecting his game. He’s made mistakes, but he always has but I attribute a lot of that to not only adjusting to being a number 1 but also adjusting to being a number 1 playing with a 5 or 6.

I think you're a little harsh on Poolman. I think he's playing like a 4-5.
Roslovic did not have his best game last night. But he has been really good at entries and exits lately. He also has pretty good vision and is okay defensively.

 

[LowLefty]

Here’s the thing. Ehlers has a game like this and his ice is diminished. Connor does this and he still gets top minutes. Same for Scheif.

Who knows -
Maybe the top line got their minutes because they are the top line and they were scoring in a game they chased most minutes.
I honestly regret mentioning the 2 goals against that Ehlers was involved in - it just sparks a debate that has been covered multiple times, at length in the past.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Jets by GAR so far this year....

 

[LowLefty]

I’d love for the press to ask Maurice about this.
I don’t want posters telling me about Ehlers shortcomings.

As a Jets fan, that should apply to any player on the team.
Did someone call out his shortcomings?

 

[Jets 31]

Who knows -
Maybe the top line got their minutes because they are the top line and they were scoring in a game they chased most minutes.
I honestly regret mentioning the 2 goals against that Ehlers was involved in - it just sparks a debate that has been covered multiple times, at length in the past.

I really think Connor and Ehlers are about equal in talent , Connor has the better hands but Ehlers is a better skater . To me we are lucky to have both .

 

[LowLefty]

I really think Connor and Ehlers are about equal in talent , Connor has the better hands but Ehlers is a better skater . To me we are lucky to have both .

I agree -
They are both high value players that bring different stuff - and it's good stuff.

 

[DashingDane]

Jets by GAR so far this year....


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League wide xGAR/60 so far this season

 

[Jets 31]

You know it wasn't that long ago lots of people were down on Ehlers because of his play in the playoffs , every player has ups and downs and Ehlers is showing how good he can be . I would like Connor to be stronger on the boards especially in our end but every player has weakness's and strengths .

 

[Jets 31]

Eggs aren't weird for dinner , your pants are weird .

 

[Duke749]

Who knows -
Maybe the top line got their minutes because they are the top line and they were scoring in a game they chased most minutes.
I honestly regret mentioning the 2 goals against that Ehlers was involved in - it just sparks a debate that has been covered multiple times, at length in the past.

Who knows? Ummmm almost everyone. Connor has had plenty of bad games in the past but it never reflects in his ice time. Ehlers has carried lines for huge stretches and it’s rarely reflected in his ice time.

Let’s quit making excuse and call it like it is.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Who knows? Ummmm almost everyone. Connor has had plenty of bad games in the past but it never reflects in his ice time. Ehlers has carried lines for huge stretches and it’s rarely reflected in his ice time.

Let’s quit making excuse and call it like it is.

At what point is the past the past and the present the present? Yes Connor has had bad games, yes he is bad at zone exits. Ehlers did not play great last night one can hope that a player's play reflects his ice time and injustices in the past are forgotten.

 

[LowLefty]

Who knows? Ummmm almost everyone. Connor has had plenty of bad games in the past but it never reflects in his ice time. Ehlers has carried lines for huge stretches and it’s rarely reflected in his ice time.

Let’s quit making excuse and call it like it is.

Not clear on where I'm making excuses but I'm pretty sure you misunderstood my post -

"Who Knows" was referring to the chance that maybe the top line got top minutes (maybe too many) because they played a solid game and produced. That and the fact that top lines usually get a lot of ice when they are chasing a game.

It certainly had nothing to do with what you posted which has little to do with the PGT

 

[bustamente]

Who knows? Ummmm almost everyone. Connor has had plenty of bad games in the past but it never reflects in his ice time. Ehlers has carried lines for huge stretches and it’s rarely reflected in his ice time.

Let’s quit making excuse and call it like it is.

For some reason it looks like Maurice sours on Nic quickly, okay he missed a tap in, that doesn't warrant not putting him out in OT, even Roslo got a short shift,...........................unacceptable from my point of view not putting a player who can change the direction of play in a instant.

 

[Duke749]

For some reason it looks like Maurice sours on Nic quickly, okay he missed a tap in, that doesn't warrant not putting him out in OT, even Roslo got a short shift,...........................unacceptable from my point of view not putting a player who can change the direction of play in a instant.

That line was a mess from the get go so then getting a little less is nothing crazy but certain things have become a pattern.

 

[Jets 31]

We are being a bit hard on Maurice and the Jets , i was reading some posts on St.Louis's GDT and there was quite a few posts saying they were impressed with the Jets . Some on their board couldn't believe how well we were playing with the defense we have , nice to hear from a unbiased fan base .

 

[voyageur]

For some reason it looks like Maurice sours on Nic quickly, okay he missed a tap in, that doesn't warrant not putting him out in OT, even Roslo got a short shift,...........................unacceptable from my point of view not putting a player who can change the direction of play in a instant.

I think that Maurice does have some reservations about Ehlers. He also seems to know how to motivate him. I'm kind of surprised he did not get out for OT. But hey Wheeler-Connor, Scheif-Laine those are pretty good combinations to start. Ehlers-Roslovic should have got a look, but some of it I think is the matchup game. Also had to take a defensive zone faceoff.

I'd honestly like to see the Jets run a PP with 5 forwards. Ehlers for zone entries, Laine, Scheif, Connor and Wheeler, and rotate a lot to throw the pre-scouting off. Pionk doesn't get enough shots in from the point. That's Buff spot, and nobody can fill those skates. Even with Morrissey out there I think it can make the right handed shooters more dangerous, as part of a one timer is quickness, shorten the space to move the puck and you get better looks. I can't say that I think a 40 foot saucer pass is the highest percentage play on a PP. It would be nice to see variations. Put Wheeler behind the net for instance, gives a passer a different look, with the goalie unable to see the puck.

 

[Jet]

I think that Maurice does have some reservations about Ehlers. He also seems to know how to motivate him. I'm kind of surprised he did not get out for OT. But hey Wheeler-Connor, Scheif-Laine those are pretty good combinations to start. Ehlers-Roslovic should have got a look, but some of it I think is the matchup game. Also had to take a defensive zone faceoff.

I'd honestly like to see the Jets run a PP with 5 forwards. Ehlers for zone entries, Laine, Scheif, Connor and Wheeler, and rotate a lot to throw the pre-scouting off. Pionk doesn't get enough shots in from the point. That's Buff spot, and nobody can fill those skates. Even with Morrissey out there I think it can make the right handed shooters more dangerous, as part of a one timer is quickness, shorten the space to move the puck and you get better looks. I can't say that I think a 40 foot saucer pass is the highest percentage play on a PP. It would be nice to see variations. Put Wheeler behind the net for instance, gives a passer a different look, with the goalie unable to see the puck.

I like pp1 better with Pionk on it. A lot of things open up down low because he had a good shot that he gets through consistently

 

[AKAChip]

I really think Connor and Ehlers are about equal in talent , Connor has the better hands but Ehlers is a better skater . To me we are lucky to have both .

And yet, somehow Connor’s top two most common linemates are top two on the Jets in GAR, right above Ehlers while somehow Connor sits in 18th. Says a heck of a lot. Connor is a flashy offensive player and is still likely to get better but he’s a supremely incomplete player and significantly worse than Ehlers. Everything people accuse Ehlers to be, weak defensively and inconsistent mostly, is far more true of Connor.

 

[KingBogo]

Nah, not for me. He’s an opportunistic goal scorer for sure but in his own zone he is awful in OT. And I like the player.

But that is the interesting thing. Does it matter if you are good in your own end for whatever that means 3 on 3 or is it better to be an opportunist goal scoarer? Isn't what gets the team the most points in the long run most important? Scheifele has a 120 game sample size saying he is a strong positive points wise player 3 on 3.

 

[Duke749]

But that is the interesting thing. Does it matter if you are good in your own end for whatever that means 3 on 3 or is it better to be an opportunist goal scoarer? Isn't what gets the team the most points in the long run most important? Scheifele has a 120 game sample size saying he is a strong positive points wise player 3 on 3.

You really don’t have to good in your own zone at 3v3. It’s more about just keeping things to the outside without giving up a free look. I would like Scheif to be a little less risky because it’s obvious if he gets a chance to score he can end the games for us. He was far too risky last night when he doesn’t have to always be. Maybe he feels he has to be “that guy” too much? Not sure it’s the case but I’ve seen it brought up.

 

[LowLefty]

I like pp1 better with Pionk on it. A lot of things open up down low because he had a good shot that he gets through consistently

I agree -
Pionk has good O instincts - he's moving laterally and finds space which is something that is sometimes missing.
I'd love to see our PP run through a QB on D who can move the puck quickly and get pucks through to the net. His movement can get the whole thing rotating which makes it a lot harder to shut down lanes and it can open up the wingers for one timers.

 

[HHel]

I think the main reason for Ehlers not have the PP time is our injuries. Little, MP and Copp are out, leaves us Ehlers, Lowry, Roslo, Apples and Morrissey to be our PP2. That's not very optimal and I understand why PoMo runs PP1 so hard. Why he doesn't make any changes, that's the different story.

 

[voyageur]

I like pp1 better with Pionk on it. A lot of things open up down low because he had a good shot that he gets through consistently

I just think our PP is becoming to easy to defend. I think Morrissey has a better shot from the point, the other thing is Laine isn't scoring on it. Jets aren't exposing seams the same way, without Buff at the top. Buff had that heavy shot, without a release even, which forced the opposing forwards to respect him. I like Pionk's smarts, but I am not sold on him being the most dangerous PP asset from the point. It's a shorter pass to Laine or Scheifele off a lefty's stick. And that split second can make a difference. I guess the frustrating thing is that there is no movement, or rotation on the PP. St. Louis didn't even bite when the Jets tried to use Connor as a bumper on the PP, as Ferraro pointed out . There is only 2 shooters to cover now. And their spacing is layered. I really think we need rotation to be effective, give Connor some looks on the wall, slide Wheeler below the net. Or rotate Wheeler to the top of the ice. The more one timer options you have , the more dangerous the PP. Until the captain starts picking corners, teams will give him the space to pass.

 

[GNP]

We are being a bit hard on Maurice and the Jets , i was reading some posts on St.Louis's GDT and there was quite a few posts saying they were impressed with the Jets . Some on their board couldn't believe how well we were playing with the defense we have , nice to hear from a unbiased fan base .

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I agree on the St.Louis fan base and their forum. They are very complimentary of the Jets and not a bitter fanbase. Their posts are very respectful of the Jets --they have a good and classy fanbase. I have read it numerous times.

 

[ps241]

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I agree on the St.Louis fan base and their forum. They are very complimentary of the Jets and not a bitter fanbase. Their posts are very respectful of the Jets --they have a good and classy fanbase. I have read it numerous times.

I enjoyed my interactions with them last spring in the playoffs. They were a very classy fan base when our teams were competing.