Post-Game Talk: Holland dithers, Oilers lose

[booyakasha]

I don’t think it’s that complicated. Colorado choked for years (as did Tampa) until they got better defensively. Oilers need better defensemen.

they need a lot more than that.

 

[Oilhawks]

The trouble with this roster though is its about 4 players scoring vast majority of goals. Kane is not right yet and is awful at shootout in his career. Drai is around 33% in shootouts. Kane is like 10%

The 5th leading scorers on the team are Ryan and McLeod. Its seeminly as if people forget how this team is structured when we here all this adhoc who's on the shootout analysis. The only 3 players we have that have been any good at it are McD, Nuge, and Drai and for whatever reason Drai doesn't want it. Its slim pickings and frankly the Barrie pick was good.

Yup, and none of this shootout garbage is really transferable to playoff hockey (I guess breakaways but that's still a bit different)

But it would be nice to collect the extra point instead of being a pathetic 0-4.

I remember them being futile with them one year as well (I think it was a tank year though)

 

[Drivesaitl]

We need Jim Matheson vs Draisaitl redux, only this time I will side with JM. Draisaitl has been a f***ing joke this year, he's either playing injured or completely does not give a f*** anymore. It's pathetic seeing him coast around the ice and force the same f***ing risky plays every game.

Well I wouldn't go that far...

Drai is playing like a typical star player in the league now. Some of the give a f*** has checked out either through pain, injury, whatever but most star players are hot cold, on/off. Drai is always going to look worse next to McD. All the top players in the game have real bad stretches. But because of how consistent McDrai have usually been we tend not to believe it.

I'll pile on Drai if he doesn't show in playoffs. But thats never been a problem. This is February people. Ultimately it means nothing and tonight means nothing.

 

[Cloned]

I missed this one. My 5-2 W prediction obviously sucked.

Was the team good to get up 4-1 or just lucky? Then what the f*** happened after getting the 3 goal lead? I don’t have the heart to watch it, knowing the final result.

Bad defense, no pushback and a terrible third period. Followed by questionable coaching decisions in OT and the shootout.

Defense can’t play 12-6 effectively. They actually need that 7th defenseman to reduce the minutes played. But Holland cap tied the roster and they couldn’t even dress a sub-1M defender in Desharnais.

 

[Frank the Tank]

I don't know how the coaches will have the time to fix their OT and SO plans when the PK and defensive zone faceoffs have suddenly gone to crap again.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

went to the game

team completely shut er down after the first

Rangers are just on another level than the Oilers...better goaltending (although Campbell was good, not his fault) much better defense and a deep forward group

that's a team poised to go deep and if the Oilers were in the East, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs

Oilers are capped out with bad players not contributing and we can't even ice a full squad....and the PP in OT was pathetic

 

[Drivesaitl]

Yup, and none of this shootout garbage is really transferable to playoff hockey (I guess breakaways but that's still a bit different)

But it would be nice to collect the extra point instead of being a pathetic 0-4.

I remember them being futile with them one year as well (I think it was a tank year though)

Yep.

I'm pretty convinced that when people are making all these "who's on shootout" and why comments they haven't checked either the roster, stats, or what the individual players career shootout stats are. This is not a deep club. That McLeod and Ryan are our 5th and 6th leading scoreres highlights that and its possibly Kane doesn't return to form this season due to his injury. Getting into that fight was probably a really bad idea as well.

 

[Frank the Tank]

went to the game

team completely shut er down after the first

Rangers are just on another level than the Oilers...better goaltending (although Campbell was good, not his fault) much better defense and a deep forward group

that's a team poised to go deep and if the Oilers were in the East, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs

Oilers are capped out with bad players not contributing and we can't even ice a full squad....and the PP in OT was pathetic

4-on-3 in OT demands a shooting threat at the point (more so than a typical 5-on-4 PP). If Bouchard still had his confidence from last season, he should be there instead of Barrie. The Rangers collapsed like they should and McDavid took the plays available to him - Trouba made a key deflection and Shesterkin made the saves. That's hockey...

 

[Drivesaitl]

went to the game

team completely shut er down after the first

Rangers are just on another level than the Oilers...better goaltending (although Campbell was good, not his fault) much better defense and a deep forward group

that's a team poised to go deep and if the Oilers were in the East, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs

Oilers are capped out with bad players not contributing and we can't even ice a full squad....and the PP in OT was pathetic

I was kind of drooling at the Rangers D breakout game tonight. Generated so much of their offence. Have to say that it looked completely like the Oilers have never even bothered to scout the Rangers who are the 2nd highest scoring team in the league. As a team we just aren't respecting opponent and that they are dangerous. The Oilers were interested in river hockey a lot of the time. Even McD doing it.

 

[TheBrew]

Points in 9 out of the last 10 games! Not too bad!.

 

[rboomercat90]

Imagine getting a broadcast that is actually analytical and dissects the game. Been years or decades since we've had technical, analytical broadcasts.

So weird too because this is CAnada, this is where knowledgeable viewers are but we've had decades of village idiots doing broadcasts.

The broadcasters are partners with the teams. They’re not interested in giving any kind of critical analysis of teams because it could insult the teams deserved or not. I’m still laughing, years later, when Ron McLean was on HNIC praising Canadian teams including the Oilers saying “how could you go wrong having a management team with Kevin Lowe and Craig Mctavish?” There’s no way to take any of them seriously again after that comment.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Skinner wasn’t on the bench all evening. PJ barely played. Kane was nowhere near 100%. We know Drai is getting over the flu. McDavid was off tonight. Kostin was out sick.

I think the flu bug has bit the Oilers as they lacked energy in the 2nd half of the game.

Driving to the game I said I’d be happy with a point and we got a point so I’m happy.

That said Woody can shove his breakout and forecheck straight up his ass.

 

[Yuke]

This team needs serious defensive work. Stop dithering Holland. Teams ARE making trades before the deadline.

STOP PUTTING DRAISAITL IN THE SHOOTOUT WOODCROFT.

Coaching and management lost this game.

Draisaitl is... no comment

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I was kind of drooling at the Rangers D breakout game tonight. Generated so much of their offence. Have to say that it looked completely like the Oilers have never even bothered to scout the Rangers who are the 2nd highest scoring team in the league. As a team we just aren't respecting opponent and that they are dangerous. The Oilers were interested in river hockey a lot of the time. Even McD doing it.

their stretch passes were unreal tonight...Rangers had a forward at the Oilers blueline all night and it was tape-to-tape

 

[Drivesaitl]

The broadcasters are partners with the teams. They’re not interested in giving any kind of critical analysis of teams because it could insult the teams deserved or not. I’m still laughing, years later, when Ron McLean was on HNIC praising Canadian teams including the Oilers saying “how could you go wrong having a management team with Kevin Lowe and Craig Mctavish?” There’s no way to take any of them seriously again after that comment.

I know. Its exactly what you describe as the reason. The team pushed back on any critical comments for years but that was mostly in the Lowe manager years. He seemed most opposed to any criticism. But that shouldn't be the case still. I want objective broadcasts. A lot of the around the league broadcasts are that. But at least they break down the plays and I just don't feel our crew does that at all.

 

[Cloned]

Our GM doesn't believe this. He thinks we're one Karlsson away from the cup. Nevermind the PK or terrible in-zone coverage.

they need a lot more than that.

Karlsson would help, but they need at least one more stable defender on top of that. However, I don’t think they’re THAT far off. They’re probably 2 good defensemen away from being a legitimate threat to win it all.

 

[Yuke]

This team blows

1 win in their last 5

imagine sending down Desharnais to keep Pulju + Yamo up

Come on, understand the cap situation

 

[Drivesaitl]

their stretch passes were unreal tonight...Rangers had a forward at the Oilers blueline all night and it was tape-to-tape

WE didn't make ANY adjustment to it. Think about that. This is the Rangers blue print. Its as if we've never played them before and the coaches don't look at any game film.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Fire woodcroft.

How does he constantly flip from a system of a support system for breaking out, to hail mary passes.

Been saying that all year. He is a big part of why we sputter.

Takes a rush team with the fastest player in the history of the game to the level of a bunch of plugs.

Why get Karlsson when all the idiot coach wants is a long chip and chase game played?

Holland just needs to get in a bunch of plugs and cross your fingers if he is sticking with Rotten Wood. I can’t stand this coach.

 

[Soundwave]

WE didn't make ANY adjustment to it. Think about that. This is the Rangers blue print. Its as if we've never played them before and the coaches don't look at any game film.

I don't think Woodcroft has the team do any prep at all.

He's the coach that believes in zero preparation, it's hilarious how he basically the complete opposite of Sutter. Coddles players, lazy practises, optional morning skates for players, no belief in preparation, no criticism towards any player ever, no accountability unless you are Holloway or something.

He's more like a yoga instructor or something, he's here to create a "good vibe".

 

[Ibanez]

I missed any post game stuff.

Did Woody give any of his usual brilliance?

Did he explain why his defensive systems are so atrocious?

I don't think Woodcroft has the team do any prep at all.

He's the coach that believes in zero preparation, it's hilarious how he basically the complete opposite of Sutter. Coddles players, lazy practises, optional morning skates, no belief in preparation, no criticism towards any player ever, no accountability unless you are Holloway or something.

He's more like a yoga instructor or something, he's here to create a "good vibe".

Woodcroft blows

Lots of people will defend him on here though.

“But but the record”

Drai and McDavid have basically given him a coaching job.

He’s a turd

WE didn't make ANY adjustment to it. Think about that. This is the Rangers blue print. Its as if we've never played them before and the coaches don't look at any game film.

Woodcroft? No adjustments? I won’t hear of it

 

[booyakasha]

Karlsson would help, but they need at least one more stable defender on top of that. However, I don’t think they’re THAT far off. They’re probably 2 good defensemen away from being a legitimate threat to win it all.

We need a legit D yes,
We also need a winner to lead this team.
if we could get Kane or Toew,s to go along with Karlsson?
sweet.

 

[ManByng]

Bad defense, no pushback and a terrible third period. Followed by questionable coaching decisions in OT and the shootout.

Defense can’t play 12-6 effectively. They actually need that 7th defenseman to reduce the minutes played. But Holland cap tied the roster and they couldn’t even dress a sub-1M defender in Desharnais.

Anyone who thinks this team is set on defense is crazy ! The Oilers continue to baffle me as trades happen for other contending teams, the Oilers dilly dally ! Karlsson alone won't solve the defensive problem on this team but it would be a start ! Whether it's Barrie or Bouchard that go, something needs to be done and I won't be upset if both are gone and Vinny D gets a regular spot with Karlsson instead ! And yes we still need another scorer up front and some movement of some ineffective forwards like the Holland favorite Jesse Puljujarvi. It's easy for us fans to see what needs to be done, one way or another, why can't Oilers management see it?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Been saying that all year. He is a big part of why we sputter.

Takes a rush team with the fastest player in the history of the game to the level of a bunch of plugs.

Why get Karlsson when all the idiot coach wants is a long chip and chase game played?

Holland just needs to get in a bunch of plugs and cross your fingers if he is sticking with Rotten Wood. I can’t stand this coach.

We have a bottom tier defense. Until that changes it won’t matter who the coach is.

 

[Louis Cypher]

This place is too much. Great game. Yeah we lost but we got a point and almost won against the hottest team in the league.

Bunch of cry babies on this site.

Watch the Rangers stomp the Flames tomorrow. We played well. Should have won in OT.