Jabba11
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Series 2 aka Connor Bedard YG coming out on March 6th!
What is you guys prediction on his price is gonna be out of the gate on eBay?
What is you guys prediction on his price is gonna be out of the gate on eBay?
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Cant see lower than 1k with the prices we saw on the SP1 card
Jabba11
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I think the SP1 card just got the hype from being released prior to the YG. It would surprise me that it goes for 1K, especially once it becomes more and more available. Matthews raw YG card is 500$. McDavid YG ungraded is 750-1000$. There is no way Bedard's worth more than these guys.
He asked about the price on ebay out of the gate! Obviously it will go lower once it will be flooded but the first ones will definitely go at a crazy price
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Sad People
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Man whats up with Matty Beniers? He hardly has any cards besides YGs. Was looking for some cards that were mentioned yesterday but didnt see anything.
agreed with the bolded, UD has been making a lot of retro junk to beef up sets
Dicky113
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The boxes are pre selling for 400 bucks so his card is going to be 1G minimum out of the gate. Makes no sense to buy boxes though at 400. If he pans out, his card will eventually be worth 2-3K similar to McDavid and Crosby so still a little room for growth.
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The Kingslayer
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1k minimum out the gate which is ridiculous. Mcdavid's was $350 opening day if i recall.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Lafreniere was a $500 CAD card in spite of his disappointing play. Had Lafreniere come out of the gate like Bedard, he would have gone for four figures.
Hockey cards are already inflated across the board, even when compared to their pre-pandemic prices. I think that Bedard will draw in a lot of basketball and football collectors and speculators.
The price of McDavid's YG is the ceiling for Bedard. The hobby is not going to grow long-term unless you think there is a path to hockey increasing drastically in popularity in the US or China. We have already seen more buyers at once for cards than we will probably ever see. While I don't think we are ever going back to pre-pandemic prices for Young Guns, it will be pretty close.
What's obvious is that the top 1 percent of the 1 percent, basically Crosby and Ovechkin were underpriced 10 years ago. McDavid was also underpriced because he fits into that. But we already saw the correction. If Bedard is selling for 1000-1500 as a Young Guns, I just don't see how it makes any sense. For him to maintain that, either the demand for hockey cards has to grow, or he has to be as good of an individual player as McDavid has been.
McDavid increasing in price was more of a macro correction with the hobby prices. The same thing happened with Ovechkin, even before he won the cup. The top 2-3 guys in basically the history of the modern day hobby were underpriced and there was a big correction and an acceptance from non-hockey collectors that they have value.
Hockey cards are already inflated across the board, even when compared to their pre-pandemic prices. I think that Bedard will draw in a lot of basketball and football collectors and speculators.
The price of McDavid's YG is the ceiling for Bedard. The hobby is not going to grow long-term unless you think there is a path to hockey increasing drastically in popularity in the US or China. We have already seen more buyers at once for cards than we will probably ever see. While I don't think we are ever going back to pre-pandemic prices for Young Guns, it will be pretty close.
What's obvious is that the top 1 percent of the 1 percent, basically Crosby and Ovechkin were underpriced 10 years ago. McDavid was also underpriced because he fits into that. But we already saw the correction. If Bedard is selling for 1000-1500 as a Young Guns, I just don't see how it makes any sense. For him to maintain that, either the demand for hockey cards has to grow, or he has to be as good of an individual player as McDavid has been.
McDavid increasing in price was more of a macro correction with the hobby prices. The same thing happened with Ovechkin, even before he won the cup. The top 2-3 guys in basically the history of the modern day hobby were underpriced and there was a big correction and an acceptance from non-hockey collectors that they have value.
The Kingslayer
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You arent kidding. I bought my Ovi for $70 raw. Graded 9.5 now. My only regret is I didnt buy the lot of 4 that same day from the same seller for $350 BIN.
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frightenedinmatenum2
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I remember that there was an Ovechkin YG HG sitting on eBay forever at 5k. I have no idea what that card would sell for now, but I would guess a bit more...
Aside from years where YGs were short-printed in the early 2000s, people generally don't care about superstars or franchise players from 10-15 years ago. It's absurd that a Claude Giroux YG is probably the same price as a new release rookie whose ceiling is not even half of Giroux's career.
People care about the top 2-3 guys from any era. That's it. Ovechkin, Crosby, and McDavid were underpriced and there was a big correction. Ovechkin was the most underpriced of the 3, by far.
I can't see there being anywhere for Bedard's cards to go long-term. I think people from other sports look at hockey and they think that hockey is way underpriced and the top guy should be much higher, but I think we already saw the correction. People will pay the same for Bedard as they do for McDavid, which outside of Bedard becoming the Michael Jordan of hockey and winning the Cup every year for a decade, there is nothing he could possibly do to exceed McDavid.
There are lots of cool and affordable cards to buy. The hobby has been based around gambling and speculation for nearly three decades. I don't understand when people get upset about it, like it just started now. McDavids cards were 3-4 figures when they came out a decade ago. What were Lindros rookies selling for when adjusted for inflation?
Nobody would care about this hobby if you could go out and buy a complete set of Young Guns at a reasonable price for a printed lot of photographs. Say $10-$20. For probably 99 percent of people in the hobby, the hobby is a proxy for gambling. For every guy out there is gets off on being a Jonas Enroth player collector, there are 10,000 who are in it to gamble or speculate.
joestevens29
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First Sub in a while, two highlights. The Gretz is a tough card due to those thin borders.
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Love the Roy card, and it’s one I still need for my collection. Hope I can pick it up someday
Lafreniere ygs came out before he played an NHL game, like 2 months before
Cubs2024wildcard
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Well those guys were released before the pandemic and influencer hype.
Let's just point out social media card influencers didn't exist in 2015. They wernt privy to McDavid.
Bedards YG is pre-selling at 1k and you all damn sure know theyres going to be fools paying 1500 week one and two for his YG. There's idiot influencers who haven't touched hockey cards who are already hyping Bedard with one clown on tiktok saying he's the next Gretzky.
My advice, the Hawks are going to be dog shit wrapped in leather for the next few years and unless Bedard is churing out 150 point seasons that card is going to settle around 400/500 bucks with some guys dumping lower to get their hands on new product. The only bedards I would invest in are numbered cards. It wouldn't shock me one bit if there's a 500k print run of YGs this year or OPC flagship is at around 1 million per base card.
Not saying those are the print runs altho that opc base might be on the mark, just saying it wouldn't shock me.
As for that case of Gretzky rookie year it ended at 3.7 million thru heritage auctions, who currently are in a bunch of unsavory news. I hope who ever won that is stupid enough to stream a case break.
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Good lord those are beautiful.
Roy rookie year centering is the drizzling shits. I'm jelly lol
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Says who?
You cannot speculate card prices just because of players performance on the ice if that is what you are doing.
You, just like everyone else, have no clue the print runs of UD flagship. Bedards cards will be higher then McDavids on account of the hobby climate currently and there's nothing that's going to stop that from happening. Even if McDavid wins a cup this year it still won't be enough to knock Bedards cards down.
Bedard has a huge hype machine behind him currently that no other nhl player has had. There is no nhl player being talked about by hobby influencers who couldn't tell you a thing about hockey other then Connor Bedard.
Bedard has been set up to be the Mickey Mantle of hockey cards. McDavid YGs raw came out the gate at 200/350. Bedards are going to be 1k/1.5k. Card wise McDavid will never touch Bedard ceilings especially if Bedard wins cups.
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