Hockey Cards - Part III
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The checklist for series 1 is out:
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2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 Hockey Cards Checklist and Odds
Young Guns collecting season restarts in 2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 Hockey. The revamped flagship product also sees some changes.
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The Kingslayer
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oofThe checklist for series 1 is out:
2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 Hockey Cards Checklist and Odds
Young Guns collecting season restarts in 2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 Hockey. The revamped flagship product also sees some changes.
SomeDude
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This is the right take. The hobby will likely never die as long as humans exist. Those who collect for the fun of it.
The bottom fell out for all the super smart investor bros who needed something to diversify their portfolio of live sports bets, dogecoin, and game stop stock.
Anyone who collects has seen the rise and fall of prices and knew where it was headed. Heck, I sold a few PC cards and bought them back a few weeks ago for a large net profit.
The large majority of cards printed in the last 2-3 years+ are gong to be the new junk era. UD is just pumping out crap to peddle to the masses including the same player with 15 photo variations and 20 parallels of those photo variations.
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miscs75
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Here’s what UD considers satisfactory as a $70 in value replacement for missing value from the damaged replacement they shafted me on originally. Called them out on value with this then they quoted some estimates value. They weren’t too happy when both cards were discovered on 130point with values worth half of what they quoted.
Sheppy
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I'm getting back into collecting this winter.The checklist for series 1 is out:
2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 Hockey Cards Checklist and Odds
Young Guns collecting season restarts in 2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 Hockey. The revamped flagship product also sees some changes.
Am I alone by saying this doesn't seem very impressive? lol
miscs75
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They changed the format and went from 24 packs of 8 to 12 packs of 12 with hobby plus added a few new parallels compared to years past. I’m curious to see how it is. Most online retailers cranked the price of s2 through the roof but are offering deals if you buy both s1 and s2 boxes. That’s the way to go honestly.
frightenedinmatenum2
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UD's inconsistencies with values goes both ways. I once had redemption replacements for a player who was clearly a bust, but was taken pretty high years earlier, and I assume because he didn't have a Beckett listing they went with however Beckett words things for a generic young star, and my replacements were absolutely loaded. Ironically, I asked for much less valuable replacements, mostly Senators rookies I collected at the time.
I also think that they are just over it in terms of replacements because they have had so many QC issues during the pandemic. They must have an unprecedented amount of replacement requests for damaged cards. It's not right, but I think it's something you have to factor in when buying sealed boxes.
Sheppy
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Fair enough. I'm completely ignorant towards the value of the cards. Obviously the YG's will hold the most value (depending who, of course) - Maybe I'll share with this thread and someone can tell me what's good and what's bad. I haven't collected in years.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Don't get into the hobby if there is even an inclination that the monetary part appeals to you.
If you do, don't buy boxes/packs. Just go out and gamble at the casino or buy scratch tickets. Or, I'll give you my PO box and you can send me $1000 a month, I'll mail you $52 back worth of hits neatly wrapped in packs made out of inkjet printer paper.
Even with purchasing singles, only purchase cards you're happy to take a loss on.
If you do, don't buy boxes/packs. Just go out and gamble at the casino or buy scratch tickets. Or, I'll give you my PO box and you can send me $1000 a month, I'll mail you $52 back worth of hits neatly wrapped in packs made out of inkjet printer paper.
Even with purchasing singles, only purchase cards you're happy to take a loss on.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Young Guns won't hold their value except for whoever ends up being the top 1 or 2 players of each era. On a micro sense, most YGs peak when the player first breaks out and then they drop. On a macro sense, there was a huge rise in the price of cards and every YG roughly 2 years ago, but that was because people were flocking to hobbies and get rich quick schemes during the pandemic. It didn't matter which YG you were holding, the top 2-3 YGs from the last 5 years on every team doubled or tripled irrespective of their play. That wasn't validation for YGs being worth holding on to, and I assume if we haven't seen a correction yet, we'll see one in the long term since most of those buyers likely have left the hobby after losing their money.
If you want to gamble, and Series 2 is still available for $200 a box, buy a sealed case of Series 2 and hold on to it for a few years. Worst case Lafreiere, the boxes will still be worth $100-$200 (minus opportunity cost, inflation, etc). If Bedard is McDavid, you will make a profit on your gamble. Do that, and just never think of hockey cards again unless it's something silly like trying to collect every base card of your favourite 4th liner. I am not gatekeeping, I just don't think it's a productive hobby because most people get into it for absurd monetary reasons, or because it's a more socially acceptable form of gambling.
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Usually if it’s a lower end card I’ll just say screw it and penny sleeve it then toss it into my boxes of random inserts/parallels/rookies but with higher end stuff I’ll hope for a replacement. All I’m asking from them is to send one card worth the same as what is sent in which is a fair ask honestly. I’ve only lucked out once with replacements and that was because of the player not signing, otherwise with damaged replacements it’s always a downgrade in product and player. It’s just a joke at this point with them.
As for the Beckett thing, when I spoke to someone from QA I was told they don’t use Beckett anymore. After replying to them in regards to actual sale values of the cards sent, they say eBay isn’t reliable. What value do they use, the arbitrary number magically pulled out of a hat? Atleast be open in regards to that for us as consumers so we know what to expect. We already know they won’t replace anything that grades above a 7 but to not tell us what source they use for values is crazy.
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For all the people who said Bedard wasn't going to be in series 1
And for the record Upper Deck probably got told by the NHL that if they want to keep their license they better put Bedard in the flagship.
Fanatics has an excellent relationship with the NHL and chances are they will follow the same path as the NFL, NBA, and wwe in getting the NHL license away from them just like they did with Panini.
And for the record Upper Deck probably got told by the NHL that if they want to keep their license they better put Bedard in the flagship.
Fanatics has an excellent relationship with the NHL and chances are they will follow the same path as the NFL, NBA, and wwe in getting the NHL license away from them just like they did with Panini.
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Cubs2024wildcard
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The hobby IS dead.
The hobby has become gambling and the card makers are promoting the gambling aspect instead of collecting.
Why do you think upper deck changed their flagship? To promote the gambling and so breakers don't have to go thru a ton of packs filled with base garbage.
I ain't complaining. I sold all my current high end when the market was filled with idiots who thought high grade cards from 2021 were going to turn into millions of dollars in a couple years. I made so much money on suckers that I wish those guys never left after they found out the crap they spent all their pandemic handouts on is worthless.
All of us who have been in this hobby told each and every one of the get rich quick cuz youtubers say you can morons this was just another phase like in 1989 when fools were buying Craig Jefferies rookies that there were millions of copies of. It's the exact same thing.
The "hobby" will rebuild itself once people realize breakers are killing it and stop rolling dice instead of just buying the stuff they want to collect.
Until then, the hobby is just a casino.
Jesus, it's not dead, go to Toronto show in November. The new cards have definitely taken a huge tumble, still don't understand why Kaprizov is fetching so much when you think of where he will end up on the all-time NHL Players list, or why a Barkov is worth so much because it's a 1/1, just silly stuff. Vintage has taken a post pandemic hit also, but if you want to get rid of your Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Bobby Orr rookies, I'm here to help. Vintage is definitely not dead.
So that Bedard easter egg card from series 1 seems to be everywhere. Doesn't look like it's much of a short print. Buyer beware.
SomeDude
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That’s not the hobby. The hobby is collecting. You don’t have to open overpriced boxes or packs to collect. Are vintage collectors not part of the hobby? Many people still collect and don’t “invest.”
Investors and flippers even dealers who don’t collect were never hobbyists by literal definition.
You seem to not be able to separate the hobby of hockey card collecting from the business of hockey cards.
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Yes it is and will be in the foreseeable future until all sports are under the fanatics brand and breaking is regulated hard.
The hobby used to be about collecting. Now it's about wheel spins, duck races, youtube views and greed.
"Collecting " was never an issue. Name one point in time you couldn't collect trading cards.
You can collect now, but your paying a hell of alot more to do so unless your end goal is amassing the best collection of fourth line base cards on the planet.
Which is basically what I said earlier..
With all the vintage cards being trimmed and altered currently? I'd stay clear of vintage until it sorts itself out.
And good for them. They are a dying breed and hopefully they become the majority once the guys ruining the hobby finally find the new get rich quick scheme to sink their teeth into.
And how will collectors buy products without them?
Lmk when the hobby, any hobby, isn't a business.
Cubs2024wildcard
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I went to the national. The biggest card show on the planet and can confirm the hobby is dead.
I would suggest people here find the sports cards radio channel on youtube.
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At two per case 100 is really high. Maybe 50 once his YG drops.
I'm looking for the fools paying upwards of 500 for them right now.....
