Hockey Cards - Part III

Dicky113

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Its all about hype and demand. Once a new crop of young guns comes out people want them and that creates a surge in demand, in turn inflating the prices. You’ll see if you stick around the hobby long enough.

With guys like Stutzle, Laff etc they have already started to drop as you have already noticed. Odds of them hitting those highs again are made smaller soon as Raymond, Zegras etc hit the market.
True to a point, but look at young guns of guys like Pastrnak. Not shiny but still worth several hundred dollars. If stutzle and laf become franchise players, there cards will end up worth 300-600 dollars. If they end up sucking, they will be worthless. That’s the gamble
 

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True to a point, but look at young guns of guys like Pastrnak. Not shiny but still worth several hundred dollars. If stutzle and laf become franchise players, there cards will end up worth 300-600 dollars. If they end up sucking, they will be worthless. That’s the gamble
Pastrnaks card value has more to do with the fact that in 2014-15 the card boom hadn't yet begun (it started the following year with McDavids Young Guns). Upper Deck didn't print near as many cards up until 2015-16 in turn making them much harder to come across, in turn upping their value once the boom happened. Same thing with Bo Horvats, MacKinnon, Draisital etc. Supply and demand. After that everyone and their dogs started chasing McDavid, followed by Matthews and continuing from there. UD was looking a cash cow in the mouth and began printing cards to meet demand.
 

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The high end hockey card market is sky high right now.

It seems like the hottest word of the past few months is Precious Metal Gems. I remember when 2012-13 Fleer Retro came out, most of the market rejected it because the value was brutal and the rare inserts received little to no love.
 

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The high end hockey card market is sky high right now.

It seems like the hottest word of the past few months is Precious Metal Gems. I remember when 2012-13 Fleer Retro came out, most of the market rejected it because the value was brutal and the rare inserts received little to no love.
Ya in the few hockey card forums I lurk on I do see a ton of PMG cards being shown off. I never did take to that Metal set myself. Personally I really like the O Pee Chee Platinum set. Its a variant based set to be sure, but I just love the fact that all the autos are hard signed. Also the quality of the card itself seems to be top notch for a mid tier product. The Metal cards not so much
 

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Its all about hype and demand. Once a new crop of young guns comes out people want them and that creates a surge in demand, in turn inflating the prices. You’ll see if you stick around the hobby long enough.

With guys like Stutzle, Laff etc they have already started to drop as you have already noticed. Odds of them hitting those highs again are made smaller soon as Raymond, Zegras etc hit the market.
That’s what I’m trying to say . Longer term , now is the time to buy .
 

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Ya in the few hockey card forums I lurk on I do see a ton of PMG cards being shown off. I never did take to that Metal set myself. Personally I really like the O Pee Chee Platinum set. Its a variant based set to be sure, but I just love the fact that all the autos are hard signed. Also the quality of the card itself seems to be top notch for a mid tier product. The Metal cards not so much
Stick to the established tried and true rookies .
I have “ invested” a ton of time and $$ into collecting and I can tell you from what I experienced , stick to :
Young guns
Sp authentic FWA
The Cup RPA
 

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That’s what I’m trying to say . Longer term , now is the time to buy .
With the high end #’s cards yes as it is obviously known how many are out there. With the UD young guns no, as there are more than enough to go around and UD just keeps printing based on demand. But whatever, you do you. If thats what hets you excited for the hobby than who am I to say otherwise
 

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Stick to the established tried and true rookies .
I have “ invested” a ton of time and $$ into collecting and I can tell you from what I experienced , stick to :
Young guns
Sp authentic FWA
The Cup RPA
I agree 100%. Thing is FWA is out if 999 and Cup RPA are 249. Young Guns are in the 10 000 plus. Which do you think will hold their value more down the road? Its pretty obvious. And thats the point I was trying to make earlier.
 

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I agree 100%. Thing is FWA is out if 999 and Cup RPA are 249. Young Guns are in the 10 000 plus. Which do you think will hold their value more down the road? Its pretty obvious. And thats the point I was trying to make earlier.
I’m saying out of all the other brands and makes of cards those three . All the others are fodder compared to those.
I’d rather save and buy a nice graded YG than spend money on something like Metal or MVP or stuff like that.
I’m not trying to tell people what to do or how to collect. I’m just trying to say from what I have experienced , if you are wanting to collect nice true rookie cards , Young guns , FWA , The Cup are they way to go . Otherwise , collect what makes you happy and what you think looks cool. That’s what it’s about.
 

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I’m saying out of all the other brands and makes of cards those three . All the others are fodder compared to those.
I’d rather save and buy a nice graded YG than spend money on something like Metal or MVP or stuff like that.
I’m not trying to tell people what to do or how to collect. I’m just trying to say from what I have experienced , if you are wanting to collect nice true rookie cards , Young guns , FWA , The Cup are they way to go . Otherwise , collect what makes you happy and what you think looks cool. That’s what it’s about.
I agree with you on that one without a doubt. And wow your collection is insane. My best cards are Jean Beliveau rookie BGS 5.5 Maurice Richard 53-54 Parkie BGS 6, Ovechkin YG BGS 9 and a Matthews YG UD Exclusive raw. Yours blow mine out of the water. Im jealous

Oops. Forgot about my McDavid YG raw. Just waiting to send it in. Im hoping for a 9-9.5 as it is minty
 
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I’m saying out of all the other brands and makes of cards those three . All the others are fodder compared to those.
I’d rather save and buy a nice graded YG than spend money on something like Metal or MVP or stuff like that.
I’m not trying to tell people what to do or how to collect. I’m just trying to say from what I have experienced , if you are wanting to collect nice true rookie cards , Young guns , FWA , The Cup are they way to go . Otherwise , collect what makes you happy and what you think looks cool. That’s what it’s about.

JFC this collection is nuts.
 
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Now is the time to buy Stutzle Laf Dach . Buy them now before they break out.
So many good guys to collect before they get crazy priced. Buy low while you can.

I have conflicting thoughts about your post. Lafreniere, Stutzle, Dach prices have a lot of premiums built into their prices already. Top 3 picks tend to have premiums built into their card prices. NYR and CHI are big markets. Can Kirby Dach improve? Sure- he could become a 1C in the next 5 years.. But his YG also hit the market at like $15 USD... and now they're worth ~$30 USD. So they've already gone up despite Dach doing nothing special since the product dropped.

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I was buying Jason Robertson ygs last year for $1-2 each, sometimes less in bulk. I could've bought 150 Jason Robertson ygs or 15 Dach young guns. I moved all my Jason Robertson cards for between $30 and $40 per card Did I get lucky? Absolutely. If I wanted to realize those same profits with say a Dach rookie, they would have to be $450++ and we all know how unlikely this is. You could spread your money out on 5-10 of your favourite cheap rookies every year and you just need to hit on one of them. There's minimal risk involved in this because young guns rarely dip below $0.30-0.50.

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I agree 100%. Thing is FWA is out if 999 and Cup RPA are 249. Young Guns are in the 10 000 plus. Which do you think will hold their value more down the road? Its pretty obvious. And thats the point I was trying to make earlier.
Ultimate RC Autographs are hard signed, more limited than a future watch autograph (/99, /299, or /399, I believe), and consistently sell for less than the /999 FWA.

Think about it.
 
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Eggtimer

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For me , I try watching as much hockey as possible and collect who I think has potential to be a stud. I did very good on Rantanen Panarin Barzal Point when they first came out .
The big dogs will always be worth $$$ (Crosby McD Ovie MacK )
What I think is cool is hitting on guys like Barzal just before they break out. I got a SPGU #13/13 ( so it was autographed with a COA as it was the last # of the print run) before he broke out. Stuff like that is fun to me.
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I have conflicting thoughts about your post. Lafreniere, Stutzle, Dach prices have a lot of premiums built into their prices already. Top 3 picks tend to have premiums built into their card prices. NYR and CHI are big markets. Can Kirby Dach improve? Sure- he could become a 1C in the next 5 years.. But his YG also hit the market at like $15 USD... and now they're worth ~$30 USD. So they've already gone up despite Dach doing nothing special since the product dropped.

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I was buying Jason Robertson ygs last year for $1-2 each, sometimes less in bulk. I could've bought 150 Jason Robertson ygs or 15 Dach young guns. I moved all my Jason Robertson cards for between $30 and $40 per card Did I get lucky? Absolutely. If I wanted to realize those same profits with say a Dach rookie, they would have to be $450++ and we all know how unlikely this is. You could spread your money out on 5-10 of your favourite cheap rookies every year and you just need to hit on one of them. There's minimal risk involved in this because young guns rarely dip below $0.30-0.50.

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Ultimate RC Autographs are hard signed, more limited than a future watch autograph (/99, /299, or /399, I believe), and consistently sell for less than the /999 FWA.

Think about it.
Did a card show recently and had Dachs at five bucks and went home with them.

If anybody wants 30 for them lmk, I have around 85 of them.
 

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I have conflicting thoughts about your post. Lafreniere, Stutzle, Dach prices have a lot of premiums built into their prices already. Top 3 picks tend to have premiums built into their card prices. NYR and CHI are big markets. Can Kirby Dach improve? Sure- he could become a 1C in the next 5 years.. But his YG also hit the market at like $15 USD... and now they're worth ~$30 USD. So they've already gone up despite Dach doing nothing special since the product dropped.

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I was buying Jason Robertson ygs last year for $1-2 each, sometimes less in bulk. I could've bought 150 Jason Robertson ygs or 15 Dach young guns. I moved all my Jason Robertson cards for between $30 and $40 per card Did I get lucky? Absolutely. If I wanted to realize those same profits with say a Dach rookie, they would have to be $450++ and we all know how unlikely this is. You could spread your money out on 5-10 of your favourite cheap rookies every year and you just need to hit on one of them. There's minimal risk involved in this because young guns rarely dip below $0.30-0.50.

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Ultimate RC Autographs are hard signed, more limited than a future watch autograph (/99, /299, or /399, I believe), and consistently sell for less than the /999 FWA.

Think about it.
Where you get the graphs from?
 

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If you're serious about being a longterm investor don't even think about selling any of your rookie cards for at least 5-6 years. In 2015-16 I started a business, flipping young guns that I'd buy for cheap from ebay or Comc and sell them for a minimum of 2x the price. I did this for about 3 years and made money at the time but if I had only held onto the cards I owned, I'd be retired by now.

Flipped over 100 each of every single YG made during that time, with the exception of McDavid, Matthews, Eichel and Laine. I remember McDavid Young Guns going for $200 and could have bought 40+ of them at that price. I had over 100 of his Rookie Portraits I snagged for about $1 and now they can fetch $70+. I had 6 blaster boxes of 2015-16 that I had bought for $30, sold for $60 and now they are about $300.

Oh and I had the world's best Shea Theodore collection but sold it all. By best I mean, I had 5 of the 10 High Gloss Young Guns Rookies, 4 Exclusives young Guns (including #1), 5 Acetate Young Guns, and all his UD Cup cards including 1/1's. I will try and post the photos sometime on here.
 
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Eggtimer

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Pfft. Its only about 200 grand if not more. Who doesn't have a collection like that…..

obviously I’m kidding. It is beyond nuts and would put 99.9% of others collections to shame.
That’s nothing . I have had some cards that are amazing but sold them before the boom. What I have pales in comparison compared to the guys I buy/sell/trade with .
I have tons of examples of selling a card for 1/10 of what it’s worth now . If not worse than 1/10
 

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