PizzaAndPucks
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The skybox metal universe cards are f***ing sweet but that 350$ price for the hobby box is not.
Hockey Cards - Part III
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Cubs2024wildcard
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I don’t know if that’s going to happen with this years rookie crop in the NBA and the QB’s from this years draft class.
If the waits two years, I don’t see that number dwindling any time soon. There’s too many breakers now taking base and having it slabbed, having their stuff come back as a 9 or 8, then breaking more shit and doing it all over again.
Fun fact- there are more Coby White base Prizm rookies graded then the entire 20/21 NHL class. Every player. Every set.
That’s ridiculous. When Zion rookies slabbed drop, and they will, then is the time to buy them.
And for you investors- the next junk wax era is about to begin, as Topps and Panini will be printing everything it can the next few years because they are losing their licenses.
If you are smart, you are investing in HOF’ers from the 90’s right now. Those first and second year boxes of upper deck hockey are going to blow up. Yes, they’re a lot of it, but that’s all there is. Especially in basketball, you are already seeing stuff being mass produced like Prizm, where idiots have boxes on top of unopened boxes with more boxes hitting retail every day.
If you can afford a Jagr Premier 10, you better get it now because you won’t be able to afford one in three years.
Just sayin
blankall
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It seems like PSA is working through their backlog. I just got an email from them stating they have more capacity now and have lowered the cost of Express from $200 to $150...baby steps. Lol.
Edit: Apparently they are graded 35000 cards/day. That's 12,775,000/year....seems like a lot lol.
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Cubs2024wildcard
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150 isn’t bad if you have a monster, and honestly, it cleans the field of “every rookie graded” that was going on quite a bit.
But that number is staggering. Almost 13 million a year and how many of them are basketball? 10 million?
I don’t know what hurt the market more, the insane prices for basketball or those idiot breakers screaming over every minor hit on live streams. You can watch how many breaks on tiktok right now where the buy in’s are insane for a three blaster break with a 50 dollar buy in for a random team and the breaker, usually some 20 something is only going to send you the hits if there even is any.
Breakers are the new scammers
Cubs2024wildcard
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Same thing that happened with BAP /99 rookies.
Your chances of pulling one are slim and nobody is paying the ridiculous prices for hobby when your hits are going to be mid tier jersey cards.
Crosby and Ovi Ice are still great cards, even McDavid Ice isn’t what it should be. I nabbed a Kane Ice raw for 60 right before the pandemic and see a 9.5 is hovering around a grand on eBay. Compared to his YG, that should end around 6k, but it wont
TheGreatOne11
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Looking for some advice and found this thread, hoping y'all can help me out. I found a Carey Price Young Guns rookie from back in the day when I collected, and have since received a few offers on it. I've got a listing on eBay here: Carey Price 2007-08 Young Guns Rookie Card | eBay, for some photos. I'm looking to get some opinions on whether or not I should sell, or grade it. I've seen a few recent listings for PSA 10's sell for 3-4 times what I have it listed at, and so I'm hesitant. However, I'm 99% certain it wouldn't get a 10 grade, based on what I've seen through some research. I don't have the best eye for it though, so wanted to get it in front of some more experience collectors and see what they think. Cheers!
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Bondurant
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I have a Canadian connection that I asked to score me packs of Tim Horton's cards when the '20-'21 cards were released. During this time I was a few months into not logging into Facebook. Since I never received an e-mail I had assumed it was not going to happen this year. About 2 weeks I unknowingly accessed Facebook and saw a 100+ alerts and direct messages. It had now been over a year since my last login. Some of the messages were from said Canadian connection. In January. He had packs for me. I sent an apology and explained my lengthy departure from social media. As it happened he still had the cards, 17 packs. Sent him funds via PayPal and he shipped a few days later. They arrived less than a week later (which was last weekend). Learned a lesson. Check Facebook from time to time. There might be hockey cards waiting for you.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
When researching a card you own, don’t just look at PSA 10. Look at PSA 8 and 9 as well.
PizzaAndPucks
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Anyone excited for allure dropping soon ? It's my favorite line of upperdeck with ICE and Opeechee Platinum.
MarkusKetterer
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I like the fact that this still happens in Canada, but I miss how it used to be. Before, you could just buy the cards. Now you have to buy a product in addition to the cards. And Tim’s coffee is gross.
On the plus side, they still sell them for relatively cheap compared to convenience stores or hobby stores.
Eggtimer
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I’ve never got into allure. With so many options of sets I cannot afford to collect that many so I stick to the tried and true .
Obviously not to build sets , I just collect rookies .
The Cup RPA . Expensive but worth it .
SP authentic Future watch Autograph
Your guns (exclusive , higg gloss , buyback autos )
Those are my top three . Of course the Cup is $$$ so I save up and buy only what I PC or whoever is hot .
Too expensive when they are first released if chasing /99 rookie RPA so it’s best to wait for the novelty to wear off a bit , don’t buy right away unless you recognize someone under values a card they don’t really know about
Eggtimer
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I got back into collecting about 6 years ago . Just before Mcdavid rookie year was released.
I went nuts collecting at first and tried to chase every single rookie I thought was worth collecting . It got to the point where I’d look up League scoring for the previous year and tried to get every rookie card for the players in the top 100…
I wasted a lot of money collecting what I thought at the time were the best cards to go after , while not understand what the true collectors value as “true “ rookies . I tried chasing every single parallel and gimmick cards I thought looked cool. This is fine if you collect just to have what you think is cool but I wanted to enjoy collecting while at the same time trying to build up a collection that would someday be worth $$$ for my daughter to have .
I have some huge regrets selling some cards that are worth a ton right now but every collector can say that. Everyone makes mistakes along the way. There are some mistakes that keep me up at night sometimes though lol. Just to name a couple of the top of my head are :
McDavid FWA Black edition with gold signature.
Mcdavid YG foil BGS 10
P Kane The Cup RPA 3 color patch BGS 9 ( at that time it was the highest graded one , sharif the grade with I believe 4 others)
Malkin The Cup RPA BGS 9.5 3 colour
Just before Ovie took off and the price went crazy I sold three of his BGS 9.5 (true gem ) YGs for $550 USD a piece …..
Shit like that .
I don’t mean to sound like I’m bragging but I did have one of the nicest Draisaitl collections there was . At one point I had 11 The Cup RPA ‘s all 3 colour except for 3 which were Oil Drop patches .
One was a very nice three color , two were just the orange and while .
I had 4 BGS 9.5 s
I now have a grand to total of zero of those. I sold when I thought “ this has to be the price ceiling , no way it can go up more than it already is …..”
I went nuts collecting at first and tried to chase every single rookie I thought was worth collecting . It got to the point where I’d look up League scoring for the previous year and tried to get every rookie card for the players in the top 100…
I wasted a lot of money collecting what I thought at the time were the best cards to go after , while not understand what the true collectors value as “true “ rookies . I tried chasing every single parallel and gimmick cards I thought looked cool. This is fine if you collect just to have what you think is cool but I wanted to enjoy collecting while at the same time trying to build up a collection that would someday be worth $$$ for my daughter to have .
I have some huge regrets selling some cards that are worth a ton right now but every collector can say that. Everyone makes mistakes along the way. There are some mistakes that keep me up at night sometimes though lol. Just to name a couple of the top of my head are :
McDavid FWA Black edition with gold signature.
Mcdavid YG foil BGS 10
P Kane The Cup RPA 3 color patch BGS 9 ( at that time it was the highest graded one , sharif the grade with I believe 4 others)
Malkin The Cup RPA BGS 9.5 3 colour
Just before Ovie took off and the price went crazy I sold three of his BGS 9.5 (true gem ) YGs for $550 USD a piece …..
Shit like that .
I don’t mean to sound like I’m bragging but I did have one of the nicest Draisaitl collections there was . At one point I had 11 The Cup RPA ‘s all 3 colour except for 3 which were Oil Drop patches .
One was a very nice three color , two were just the orange and while .
I had 4 BGS 9.5 s
I now have a grand to total of zero of those. I sold when I thought “ this has to be the price ceiling , no way it can go up more than it already is …..”
Kcb12345
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Very, very curious what you sold this (McDavid black FWA) for lol. That's a tough one
Eggtimer
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At the time , collectors were not sure what to think of the card. Some viewed it as a parallel card that is gimmicky. Not considered a true rookie card. I actually had a difficult time selling it at that time.
It was just shortly after that years SPAuthentic came out. Also the black background / edges made it so it would grade very poorly as the black had chipping on the edges . Mine was decent compared to others I have seen. Even today the FWA black for some reason do not sell that great. It is a matter of opinion what the collectibility is on them .
Some still think so and would prefer a nicely graded normal FWA .
Others view it as a super short print card that is collectible.Just to a smaller following though.
That long winded boring post because I thought you were asking WHY I sold it. I can’t really say what I sold it for but I have seen the card listed for about 10x what I sold it for. What people ask for it and what it sells for are two very different things though .
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Nemesis Prime
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Sat on a Laine YG too long and now I can't sell the thing to save my life. Hoping for a bounce back year to say the least.
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If it helps you sleep any better, my father traded the Mickey Mantle rookie for empty liquor bottles (which he also collected), albeit before cards were worth anything.
Your mistakes are like trading nickles for pennies by comparison. Sleep well.
Lol
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
In the Magic The Gathering world, since 1994, I've built four to five digit collections six times and unloaded them each time, with each time spending the money on non-investment stuff. If I had all of those cards still, the collection would be worth probably double-digit millions. I've owned several hundred dual lands over the years, for example, and full set of power nine along with many Legends and Arabian Nights key rares. Almost all of the cards were near mint or better as I often build collections by opening a buttload of packs/boxes. And don't get me started on Pokemon...I used to open boxes and sell singles back when S1 1st Edition was the only product available to open.
Luckily my current hockey card collection was started in 2006 and I opened a ton of 05-06 product. I was even opening that stuff (UD base brand, SP Authentic, Rookie Update, etc.) even in 2009. I overall was pretty lucky in hitting the best rookies/players during the 2006-2010 run and have a lot of crazy pulls. Since hockey cards are not exactly the most liquid of product because I live in So Cal and I don't like to sell on eBay, the collection is like 99% intact. It was a six-digit collection (just counting the good cards, like $40 or more) before but after recently, it's gone up a lot more.
(I really shouldn't call my hockey card collection a "collection". I do have a Kings PC, mostly of Drew Doughty, that can certainly be called a collection but the other 97% should be called an "accumulation" since it's just the cards I opened from packs myself. Some key players I have "accumulated" many nice RCs and auto/patch cards of included Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, some Malkins, Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, Carey Price, Steven Stamkos, etc. that I opened from packs.)
My current MTG collection started the last five years and has come up to about six digits at this point. I started building it after I stopped collecting hockey/opening hockey card packs.
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blankall
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I went through my childhood MTG collection....all Revised, and not worth anything. I got back into MTG briefly again from 2016-2020, but unfortunately the new stuff isn't holding much value. The most valuable MTG cards I have are some fetch lands.
Non-sports is a pretty solid investment right now IMO. The price of new sports boxes is absurd, especially in hockey where the value you get from opening a new box is so low.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Any Revised rare may be good to hold on to…with the way Commander players are where they hold on to their cards for a long time, inevitably any old edition of a useful card has long term value. We see that with white-bordered Unlimited rares now skyrocketing.
A lot of the good value in new/modern cards will come in premium versions of staple cards printed in premium sets like Modern Horizons, Battlebond, and Masters sets. Same with certain lottery cards like key Expeditions and Inventions.
Basically if it’s a very pimp version of a Commander or Legacy main deck staple, it has long term value…those are the two audiences who routinely shell out for the nicest cards and they keep those cards valuable.
As for hockey sealed, I have a few simple rules and I built an enormous collection. I have a lot of YGs but their value is like 10% of my collection value.
1) Buy a ton of product when it’s a great RC class, even above the newest product
2) Stick to Hobby only and to key products (UD base, SP Authentic, etc., forget variety
3) Pay extra attention to sets that are built by collectors yearly
4) Stick with sets that feature as many hard-signed autos as possible
5) Buy whole boxes and if possible, whole cases
6) Stick with dealers who don’t sell many singles
7) Open the same product over and over if it’s good to you…even if you see the same base cards 100 times
8) If you buy singles, stay away from cards valuable for gimmicky reasons like Ice Premiers /99…I like to buy some Ice but it’s because it has great patches, hard signed autos, are gorgeous and have been around a long time as a product
9) Demand is the most important thing…not supply…know all of the factors of demand, especially long term demand - an 05-06 Crosby YG Exclusive /100 parallel is way more in demand than a 05-06 Black Diamond Crosby quad red /100, despite BD being the pricier and rarer product and both cards being same year RC parallel of the same player, same UD brand, same numbering
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