Hockey Cards - Part III

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

How much is an ungraded Kucherov Young Guns card worth these days??

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

How much is an ungraded Kucherov Young Guns card worth these days??

250(canadian) and up.

 

[CutOnDime97]

How much is an ungraded Kucherov Young Guns card worth these days??

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130 point is a good place to check ebay sales

 

[CutOnDime97]

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[miscs75]

Am I the only person who decided to open boxes of Extended Series? This is 4 boxes worth minus the regular inserts/21 YGs that went towards my set. It took UD long enough to realize no one cares for the inserts they keep putting into Series 1/Series 2.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Nice pull

 

[drugold]

You sent me my first Ice Hockey cards by mail after the kings first cup. You sent them all the way to Australia. Thankyou again

Yeah, work on it...actually the break guys shots look like crap too, but they have no choice since they have to open and then move on quickly. If you're making a video to showcase cards you know you're going to feature in your shoot, you can get a much higher quality than those guys and not for a ton of money either. It's all about lighting...and by that I don't just mean your light source but how you manage it (with blockers and reflectors).

 

[Rorschach]

You sent me my first Ice Hockey cards by mail after the kings first cup. You sent them all the way to Australia. Thankyou again

Such wonderful times, the black summer. I actually had a ton more “care packages” prepared but I ran out of funds. I still have stacks of Kings cards for give away plus many LA Times, Sports Illustrated and other goodies featuring either the 2012 or 2014 win.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Both record sales for the McDavid and Gretzky cards in these grades

 

[Rorschach]

Am I the only person who decided to open boxes of Extended Series? This is 4 boxes worth minus the regular inserts/21 YGs that went towards my set. It took UD long enough to realize no one cares for the inserts they keep putting into Series 1/Series 2.
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I love that 05-06 retro Kaliyev!

 

[miscs75]

I love that 05-06 retro Kaliyev!

I picked up the Sorokin on eBay the other day for $5 cheaper then everywhere else. I’m a bigger fan of the Late 90s reprints honestly.

 

[blankall]

Both record sales for the McDavid and Gretzky cards in these grades




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The boom is still on imo. I've noticed with my sales certain cards are falling off. But others keep going up. BGS cards aren't nearly as popular as psa cards. It's at the point where psa 9s have almost caught up to BGS 9.5s for modern cards.

There also seems to be almost no demand for basic inserts. There were a bunch of set builders who entered the market at the beginning of the boom. That's gone.

 

[OvieGreat8]

The boom is still on imo. I've noticed with my sales certain cards are falling off. But others keep going up. BGS cards aren't nearly as popular as psa cards. It's at the point where psa 9s have almost caught up to BGS 9.5s for modern cards.

There also seems to be almost no demand for basic inserts. There were a bunch of set builders who entered the market at the beginning of the boom. That's gone.

They do what they are told. Hobby full of sheep.

Easier to manipulate rarer cards anyway.
Look at that garbage laser cut tiger woods and sheet cut gretzky. Blah.

 

[kaiser matias]

Both record sales for the McDavid and Gretzky cards in these grades




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Regarding the Ovechkin UD Ice: I remember in 2006-07 (the year after) being convinced by the local dealer to buy boxes of UD Ice, as it was only $100 for a box (compared to whatever UD base was going for, like $120 or something I guess), and that the Ice rookies were tiered, and the Ovechkin and Crosby cards were selling as much as their Cup rookies (which was true, at the time). I now have nearly 10 full sets of 2005-06 UD Ice base, several rookie cards of nobodies numbered out of 2999, and I think the best card I ended up getting was RJ Umberger, which was only Tier 3 (numbered out of 1999; Tier 2 was 999; Tier 1 99).

 

[blankall]

Regarding the Ovechkin UD Ice: I remember in 2006-07 (the year after) being convinced by the local dealer to buy boxes of UD Ice, as it was only $100 for a box (compared to whatever UD base was going for, like $120 or something I guess), and that the Ice rookies were tiered, and the Ovechkin and Crosby cards were selling as much as their Cup rookies (which was true, at the time). I now have nearly 10 full sets of 2005-06 UD Ice base, several rookie cards of nobodies numbered out of 2999, and I think the best card I ended up getting was RJ Umberger, which was only Tier 3 (numbered out of 1999; Tier 2 was 999; Tier 1 99).

The problem with ice is that all the good hits are such long shots. I entered a bunch of group breaks and hit a Tkachuk fairly cheaply. Calgary was still very cheap at that point. But to chase the Marner or Matthews that year was crazy expensive, even in the breaks.

The old ice format was a fun break though. The auto acetate cards are really nice.

 

[Rorschach]

The boom is still on imo. I've noticed with my sales certain cards are falling off. But others keep going up. BGS cards aren't nearly as popular as psa cards. It's at the point where psa 9s have almost caught up to BGS 9.5s for modern cards.

There also seems to be almost no demand for basic inserts. There were a bunch of set builders who entered the market at the beginning of the boom. That's gone.

I agree with all of your observations. The surge ended in early April but the overall boom continues.

The difference is, at the beginning of the boom, many people still had their old sensibilities from 2018 and before. From 2005 to 2018, when people were starting to collect UD base brand because it was one of the first and best ways to get a good UD Crosby RC (and not a Fleer or Fleer Ultra, or a ghetto 90s-style Black Diamond), a lot of people started just also completing their subsets as well. And that continued up to before COVID. And in those old sensibilities, BGS-graded Young Guns were king.

But now people are realizing those cards, unless it's a rookie year Crosby/McDavid/Matthews, etc. insert, it's worthless. Instead of collecting and collating those sets, they are just sticking with Young Guns and maybe looking at PSA set registry. This changed because a lot of money came in to the hobby from outside and adjacent the hobby...like investor/collectors from baseball/basketball/football card collecting, or returning to collecting from when they quit in the 90s. (In the late 80s and early 90s, a lot of people were buying up what later became "junk wax" when they discovered hockey cards, crossing over from baseball card collecting...back when boxes were much cheaper so a person could by all the baseball and still afford to get some Hoops basketball, some Pro Set or Score football or some Pro Set, Score and Upper Deck hockey. )

People shouldn't ever underestimate the PSA set registry. I think in the industry, the only thing that can trump a PSA 10 card due to people collecting for PSA 10 set registries is the BGS 10 black label. And the black label is like .0001% of the population of cards (like 1 in a million graded cards).

 

[SharksAttack]

I opened a blaster box of Finnish cards from this past season.

 

[FlamesFreak4]

Curious as to what people think the best year to buy boxes of. Been thinking about getting back into collecting after many years.

 

[blankall]

Curious as to what people think the best year to buy boxes of. Been thinking about getting back into collecting after many years.

I think 19/20 is underrated. Pretty deep rookie group. Can be found reasonably priced. Anything from 2013 to 2016/2017 will have big rookies, but will cost significantly more.

Series 2 from this year, is actually starting to drop in price and you can find some good sales now.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Tempted to buy a hobby box. I wanna see how Allure , Ice and Opeechee platinum look first. Those are my current 3 favorite lines of cards (that aren't to expensive).

 

[Bondurant]

I opened a blaster box of Finnish cards from this past season.

Nice card design.

 

[CutOnDime97]

 

[ElLeetch]

Both record sales for the McDavid and Gretzky cards in these grades

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In the case for cards like these (foil version), do people still consider them true Rookie Cards? When i used to collect, only the base card was a RC. Any parallel, signed, patch, etc card, was not a RC. Seems that distinction has gone away.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Posted this on the Flyers board but good intro to grading if anyone is interested

Good comparison of the grading companies:



This is all for sports as that's all I've done:

PSA is the top dog but they are crazy backed up and only open for their premium tiers which are expensive.

I believe BGS, which is the 2nd most respected, is in the same boat.

SGC has good turnaround times and is cheaper. Definitely the best challenger to the top 2, for sports at least. You'd have to check values for other cards.

There is also CSG, which has a good reputation in Comics and other collectible grading but just started doing cards. Could be good for Garbage Pail Kids but not sure.

Choose a company, go to their site, and follow their instructions to send the cards in. Pretty standard and the instructions are detailed, might need to buy Card Savers (I know PSA asks you use them) but it varies by company.



Find values of cards:
Use 130point to search eBay to find values of certain cards in grades from each company:

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What to look for before sending a card in:

Sports Card Grading 101 Guide

This is extremely simple. Thanks to Beckett Grading Services, we know the five primary attributes used to grade a card.

1. Centering: Centering is basically the width of the border. Ideally, the border sizing should be equal on the left, right, top and bottom. Sometimes judging the centering won't be as simple as looking for equal spaced borders. The bottom line is that the card should feel balanced. If a card appears lopsided, this means the centering is off.
2. Corners: This is arguably the most important and most scrutinized of the grading attributes. A card with four sharp corners can alleviate other concerns, especially on older cards. Study all four corners looking at the front of the card first, then look at the back of the card. This is the best way to double-check. If a corner shows imperfections on both sides, it's not your eyes playing tricks on you. Sometimes the ink, foil or other factors can create the illusion of a weak corner, so always be sure to check the back. If a corner or two is an eyesore to look at, your probably looking at a card that will grade under 8.5. Slight corner imperfections, such as barely visible white might be the difference between a BGS 9 and a BGS 9.5, but can also result in no change.
3. Edges: The four edges of a card are important, as well. Some brands are notoriously terrible with edges, especially cards with dark or black borders. At the same time, less is expected from these, so lower your expectations. Graders also look at the back for this, too. Edges should be sharp and the color should be constant. Imperfect edges have dings, dents or subtle discolorations. As with corners, barely visible white isn't the end of the world.
4. Surface: Surface is the condition of the cardboard as a whole. With glossy cards such as Bowman Chrome, scratches on the surface can be an issue, as well as faded autographs. In addition, cards made with foil stock are prone to small pieces of foil coming off, leaving white specks on the card. With older cards, the main concern is creases and moisture damage. Many 1980s cards suffer from ink smearing and stamp marks that happen when the card goes through a print press. Many times a crease is hard to notice at first, as the picture on a card can hide one very well.
5. Autographs: The autograph grade has nothing to do with the grade given to the card itself. If the ink isn't smeared and the autograph isn't faded, it will normally be a 10. All graded autographs must be "out of pack" autos (not hand-signed or in-person). It is very easy to "eye grade" an autograph.

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[BostonBob]

A T206 Honus Wagner card sold today for over $6 million.

from tsn.ca:

A T206 Honus Wagner baseball card sold for $6.606 million -- which includes a 20% buyer's premium -- early Monday morning, shattering the record for highest-selling sports card of all time.

The previous record belonged to a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle card that sold for $5.2 million in January, a record later matched by a 2003-04 Upper Deck Exquisite Collection LeBron James-autographed rookie jersey card in April.

The seller of the Wagner card is an "East Coast collector." Both seller and buyer prefer to remain anonymous.

"This Wagner stands out because of its condition," said Brian Dwyer, president of Robert Edward Auctions, which brokered the deal. "There's only about 60 of these that we can confirm through various population reports and available grading data. Of those 60, most are rated poor, authentic or good, at best. This card is one of the best examples out there, and it's certainly one of the best examples available."

This Wagner card received a grade of 3 from Sportscard Guaranty Corp. (SGC). According to population reports from the three biggest card-grading companies -- Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA), Beckett Grading Services (BGS) and SGC -- only four T206 Wagners have been graded higher than a 3, combined, all in private collections.


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