Hockey Cards - Part III
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I think Stutzle will wind up as a triple digit YG while Suzuki seems like a double digit guy.
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Picked up this piece. A bit older than some of the more talked about players...
1) He started playing hockey at the age of 18
2) He was the goalie for the Montreal Canadiens from 1917-1925 and won the Stanley cup with them 2 times (source/Wiki)
3) Before finishing his hockey career, he died of tuberculosis at age 39
4) The "Vezina" trophy, which is awarded to the best goaltender, was named after him
Georges Vezina
Rookie Card 1911 C55
Pretty sure I just saw this card on a Youtube video that goes through card sales, and if it is indeed yours, the price is definitely up there, but you still got it for a steal (I'll keep specifics for privacy reasons, and I'm obviously not 100% certain).
BostonBob
4 Ever The Greatest
Brady Rookie Card sells for over $3.1 million at auction. 
from cbssports.com:
Aa Tom Brady's NFL career has gone on seemingly without end, it's become easy to forget that the seven-time Super Bowl - winning quarterback once had a beginning as a rookie on the New England Patriots in 2000. A beginning which served as the starting point of his incomparable career, and only continues to provide value for memorabilia collectors.
According to a report by Mike Reiss of ESPN, a Tom Brady football card from his rookie year sold for $3.107 million at the Lelands Mid-Spring Classic Auction, setting a new record for the highest sum ever paid for a football card at a public auction. The sale bests a record set two months ago when another card from Brady's rookie season was sold by Lelands for $2.25 million.
The specific card that was sold was a Playoff Contenders Championship Rookie Ticket Autograph edition graded at Mint 9. Only seven copies of the card in Mint 9 are known to exist, with none graded higher.
from cbssports.com:
Aa Tom Brady's NFL career has gone on seemingly without end, it's become easy to forget that the seven-time Super Bowl - winning quarterback once had a beginning as a rookie on the New England Patriots in 2000. A beginning which served as the starting point of his incomparable career, and only continues to provide value for memorabilia collectors.
According to a report by Mike Reiss of ESPN, a Tom Brady football card from his rookie year sold for $3.107 million at the Lelands Mid-Spring Classic Auction, setting a new record for the highest sum ever paid for a football card at a public auction. The sale bests a record set two months ago when another card from Brady's rookie season was sold by Lelands for $2.25 million.
The specific card that was sold was a Playoff Contenders Championship Rookie Ticket Autograph edition graded at Mint 9. Only seven copies of the card in Mint 9 are known to exist, with none graded higher.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Just to add to my previous point that the market is growing overall but first quarter this year had a huge surge (then retraction), there was another enormous source of funds that entered the market this year. This is in addition to what I stated before, the regular salary-folk getting “free money” from stimulus to corporate bonuses to early bird tax refunds in addition to the stay-home from COVID we saved.
As I mentioned, the high roller market is not the same market as regular guys buying a few junk wax 89 Fleer boxes and PSA 10 Griffey Jr. RCs. On the high rollers end, there are overseas (Asian) buyers with huge bankrolls and...surprise, surprise...their sport of choice is basketball. But recently due to some “crypto stuff” happening, a huge amount of $$ came out of crypto and into the high roller market.
These people are on a totally different rhythm and mindset than the regular folk who splurged $10k of free money first quarter. Us kinda people look at a card like a Lebron RC patch auto that sells for $250k and we think of it like it’s 25 used Toyota Corollas. They think of $250k like it’s 1/15th of their investment bank roll that came out of crypto. That’s why these newer cards are going for, to us, ridiculous amounts.
As of now, the first quarter free money pretty much is spent. The key base cards, both new cards and junk wax, have corrected back down by 100% (of the total surge increase) but since the market for real is still growing, I feel we’ve recovered at least 5-10%. So that means if we never had the surge of free money starting February, and just had the saved money of COVID 2021, we still grew like 10% at this point in May/June. That’s not bad. But across the board in a shorter sight observation, looking at now compared to only Feb/March, it “appears” things are “down”. They are, but not overall 2021 or compared to 2020.
Now as stated above the regular folks’ free money is spent but we’re still operating somewhat on stay home money. So that market “corrected”, the junk wax PSA 10 singles and the sealed boxes that are tied to them, and a lot of newer base card RCs. But the existing overseas people and the new crypto extracted funds are still pushing high end cards to newer heights.
Another phenomenon that is happening are the dealers who either had large inventory of junk that were now liquidated during the surge, and/or new sealed product sold for huge premiums that recent new product sells for, and/or were in the high roller market and are riding that wave. These guys are like real estate moguls...they deal on a totally different scale. You’ll see some of these guys on YouTube going to major card shows and making 5 to 6 digit trades. Their overall value in terms of bankroll and inventory went up double digits (like 10x to 25x since 2017). As the market moves they take their new money/value and keep buying high Enders to flip. So it can be said, the surge money is also fueling the high ended market.
So, the rich got richer and the dumb money spent their wads. Looking at Feb/March to now, high rollers keep rolling higher; but at the same time it “looks” like junk/base crashed...but not really. And the grading companies shutting down hurt the regular people market since they can’t get their base/junk RCs graded anymore, which is how many of those collectors increased their collection value. High roller folks can afford to pay an expedited triple digit grading fee on their five to seven digit card. Regular collectors can’t do that when, even if their cards make PSA 10, the triple digit grading fee wipes out the entire gain.
As I mentioned, the high roller market is not the same market as regular guys buying a few junk wax 89 Fleer boxes and PSA 10 Griffey Jr. RCs. On the high rollers end, there are overseas (Asian) buyers with huge bankrolls and...surprise, surprise...their sport of choice is basketball. But recently due to some “crypto stuff” happening, a huge amount of $$ came out of crypto and into the high roller market.
These people are on a totally different rhythm and mindset than the regular folk who splurged $10k of free money first quarter. Us kinda people look at a card like a Lebron RC patch auto that sells for $250k and we think of it like it’s 25 used Toyota Corollas. They think of $250k like it’s 1/15th of their investment bank roll that came out of crypto. That’s why these newer cards are going for, to us, ridiculous amounts.
As of now, the first quarter free money pretty much is spent. The key base cards, both new cards and junk wax, have corrected back down by 100% (of the total surge increase) but since the market for real is still growing, I feel we’ve recovered at least 5-10%. So that means if we never had the surge of free money starting February, and just had the saved money of COVID 2021, we still grew like 10% at this point in May/June. That’s not bad. But across the board in a shorter sight observation, looking at now compared to only Feb/March, it “appears” things are “down”. They are, but not overall 2021 or compared to 2020.
Now as stated above the regular folks’ free money is spent but we’re still operating somewhat on stay home money. So that market “corrected”, the junk wax PSA 10 singles and the sealed boxes that are tied to them, and a lot of newer base card RCs. But the existing overseas people and the new crypto extracted funds are still pushing high end cards to newer heights.
Another phenomenon that is happening are the dealers who either had large inventory of junk that were now liquidated during the surge, and/or new sealed product sold for huge premiums that recent new product sells for, and/or were in the high roller market and are riding that wave. These guys are like real estate moguls...they deal on a totally different scale. You’ll see some of these guys on YouTube going to major card shows and making 5 to 6 digit trades. Their overall value in terms of bankroll and inventory went up double digits (like 10x to 25x since 2017). As the market moves they take their new money/value and keep buying high Enders to flip. So it can be said, the surge money is also fueling the high ended market.
So, the rich got richer and the dumb money spent their wads. Looking at Feb/March to now, high rollers keep rolling higher; but at the same time it “looks” like junk/base crashed...but not really. And the grading companies shutting down hurt the regular people market since they can’t get their base/junk RCs graded anymore, which is how many of those collectors increased their collection value. High roller folks can afford to pay an expedited triple digit grading fee on their five to seven digit card. Regular collectors can’t do that when, even if their cards make PSA 10, the triple digit grading fee wipes out the entire gain.
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You think regular folks were buying 50k lebrons???
Because those down to 20k and going down.
The rich are getting crushed at the high end.
Look at high grade jordan rcs...
These one of record sales are joke.
Look what psa 10 jordan did and what now...
Because those down to 20k and going down.
The rich are getting crushed at the high end.
Look at high grade jordan rcs...
These one of record sales are joke.
Look what psa 10 jordan did and what now...
NYRfan39
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i’d like to see this youtube video you speak of. I actually bid on this expecting to lose. I was going to put my money on Gretzky RC but then I thought, you can always find Gretzky RCs but rarely a G. Vezina rc so I prioritized that.
The Kingslayer
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Regular top loaders have been harder to come by again. I ordered 200 off Amazon and got a notification they were cancelling my order. Found another seller and bought 100.
blankall
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I'm looking for a source for jersey sized toploaders at a regular price. I'm trying to ship out some sales of 10+ cards. Need a cheaper way to package them.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I follow both/two of the guys on YouTube. I'll just mention their channels, they both are excellent YT'ers.
Baseball Card Collector Investor Dealer
28.5K subscribers
Junk Wax Investor
2.32K subscribers
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I never use toploaders but from time to time I receive them as gifts from major sellers I buy from or my singles are shipped in them. So I have two large suitcase sized cases full of extra supplies, new and used, that I don't need. In the past I would toss them but instead I just toss them into the box.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Yeah we both/all know regular folks don't have 50k bucks to blow when they don't even have 20K in the bank.
I did notice that the Fleer RC Jordans went crazy up then crazy down, riding that surge. I would say however that the people buying those, I'm not so sure they were the overseas or crypto guys. I think most of those guys are ones enamored with the current crops of players. They're thinking of Ja Morant and in love with Luka Doncic. Jordan, like Gretzky, is his own market apart from the rest of the sport and a lot of that market (although totally different from each other), especially for the Fleer RC card. These cards' demand, a huge chunk is definitely American so thus a big portion of their price was riding the surge wave.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I don't think you or I believe regular folks are buying 50K cards when they don't even have 20k in the bank. That market has maybe 20 to 50 players in it and they are setting all of the prices that the 500,000 of us are reading.
Interesting thing about the Jordon Fleer RC, you are correct that the prices went crazy up, then crazy down. This card is from the 80s and I believe Jordan is his own market, similar to Gretzky (although their two markets are not similar to each other) and his Fleer RC's demand not the same as the modern demand exerted by the overseas and crypto guys. These guys are enamored with the modern rookie classes and are thinking of Ja Morant while in love with Luka Doncic. Lebron is their guy. The 80s Jordan cards, a huge chunk of the demand is good ole American, so these cards' prices rode the surge wave same as all of the other cards from the junk wax era. We don't consider that set or card to be junk wax but it pretty much was made in the same time frame.
And I don't think we're too worried about rich people taking a beating here...especially those rich with overseas money or pseudo-real crypto money. You and I won't lose any sleep over it.
Sure, I'll send you it via a private message though (while the video is obviously public, like I said I don't want to disclose details of the without consent).
This weekend I dug up my old hockey card collection that I hadn't looked at for 15 years and I've been having fun seeing what they are worth right now. There are some surprises and many disappointments but I think those two are the best ones by far. Any idea what the Fleury one could go for? I have no Idea how these limited editions cards get their value (or not).
CutOnDime97
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Mick Riddleton
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I need help from Ontario collectors on this one.
I am in Niagara area and called a dealer locally that does grading with MNT. They send the cards to Elmira, Ontario. When he said that I thought funny as I read about KSA moving there office there recently. I mean Elmira is less than 12,000 ppl, what are the odds they have 2 big Canadian Card grading services. Makes me wonder, I mean I want the best chance at selling stuff with the name that will return more. Anyone feedback would be appreciated.
I am in Niagara area and called a dealer locally that does grading with MNT. They send the cards to Elmira, Ontario. When he said that I thought funny as I read about KSA moving there office there recently. I mean Elmira is less than 12,000 ppl, what are the odds they have 2 big Canadian Card grading services. Makes me wonder, I mean I want the best chance at selling stuff with the name that will return more. Anyone feedback would be appreciated.
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Kcb12345
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Have had some pretty insane luck lately....
Opened a total of 2 packs of Chronology on epack.
First one I pulled a 1/1 Ovechkin time capsule
Second one I pulled a McDavid letterman auto /10...also pulled the McDavid base /122 in this one.
My 2 biggest hits ever, back to back. Lol. Also both in pretty rough shape which is disappointing but I've contacted UD about the Ovi and probably will about the McDavid too
Opened a total of 2 packs of Chronology on epack.
First one I pulled a 1/1 Ovechkin time capsule
Second one I pulled a McDavid letterman auto /10...also pulled the McDavid base /122 in this one.
My 2 biggest hits ever, back to back. Lol. Also both in pretty rough shape which is disappointing but I've contacted UD about the Ovi and probably will about the McDavid too
Anyone else feel like the bubble burst? I was looking at some of my Young Guns, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, etc. When I was looking at the sold prices on eBay, a lot of them looked 25% less than what they were selling a month ago. Sometimes more.
Kane Young Gun, for example, was selling for $400 at one point or close to it, and now is selling for $225-250.
Anyone feel like they are going to continue to fall from where they are from?
Kane Young Gun, for example, was selling for $400 at one point or close to it, and now is selling for $225-250.
Anyone feel like they are going to continue to fall from where they are from?
blankall
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Things are definitely down from where they were. That was to be expected. I wouldn't call it a burst bubble though. As you stated maybe 20-25%. Which still means things are up several times from were they were.
We also typically see more hype towards the beginning of the season, and with players who are doing well in the playoffs. For example Point and Barzal prices are going up.
It’s the time of the year where things are slow unless your team is still playing. There are resurgence in Price and Suzuki cards for example. Makar is also holding pretty steady because of his Norris nomination.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
No, although hockey prices are often very seasonal.
One thing to keep in mind is "the surge" of February through March of 2021 and to disregard the prices from that time, for certain kinds of cards. Cards were heavily inflated in price from a combination of "free money" (early tax returns, stimulus checks, corporate bonuses) all hitting at the same time, while a bunch of people cashed out of crypto currency and bought cards. The free money folks, most of them bought graded junk wax base RCs and boxes, and/or modern base/parallel singles, graded and raw, and the boxes. That money is now spent and gone so the surge is over. Prices that came down/corrected from that time should not be interpreted as a shrinkage of the market.
The crypto guys buy a lot of high end singles and much of it is newer singles, from Lebron to Luca. These guys are dropping car and house prices on top singles, competing with the overseas rich people also buying...especially basketball.
Overall the hobby is growing. But any cards/players whose demand was being fueled by the season (such as all current/new stars), there will be a correction due to the season being over. Once the next season starts, they will go right back up again. Retired stars like Jagr, his cards will keep creeping up. Just look at prices from January and continue at May, skip February, March and a bit of April.
Neil Racki
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Visiting my parents over the weekend, finally took my old collection out of their attic. My collection was 70s up to early 90s. So many jagr, moginly, bure etc rookie cards .. all worth less then what I paid for them 30 years ago. Got like 10 brian leetch rookie cards, worthless.
Happy I tried to get as many old school cards as I could. Believeau, espositos, lafleur, dionne, and some other rookie cards. 2nd year gretzky, gordie howe.
Why the f*** do I have like 6 craig janney and brian bellows rookie cards?
might buy a becket to go through them. if I ever get hit by a train and cant move for a few months.
Happy I tried to get as many old school cards as I could. Believeau, espositos, lafleur, dionne, and some other rookie cards. 2nd year gretzky, gordie howe.
Why the f*** do I have like 6 craig janney and brian bellows rookie cards?
might buy a becket to go through them. if I ever get hit by a train and cant move for a few months.
GreeningOil
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I moved into a new house and there were THOUSANDS of cards left Behind in binders and boxes… does anyone here purchase cards?
