Hockey Cards - Part III

kovacro

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During COVID I put down my MTG collection and started buying nostalgiac 80s baseball wax. I tried to get some Leaf and OPC baseball...omg that shit is tough to find and expensive. People cracking that stuff to sub to PSA. I was lucky to get a full factory box set of 1988 OPC for $40.

Yes, it is getting more difficult to grab. Was looking for some 1987 OPC Baseball wax recently and due to the Barry Bonds PSA rookie going up in price, it's increased massively and/or you are seeing a limited amount out there for sale.

Supposedly the Bonds PSA 10 is one of the most difficult rookie cards out of the OPC Baseball sets in the 80's to attain such a grade.
 
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turkulad

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I for some weird reason used to collect Peter Bondra cards as a kid and still have a collection of 150+ different cards. Wasn't a Caps fan, I'm a Finn not a Slovak, never saw him play.. I just guess the few years he scored a ton and his somewhat funny name got to me.. and now I have a weird collection I don't have the heart to let go unless I can reimburse at least some value.

So if you're into Bondra for some reason, let me know.....
 

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Yes, it is getting more difficult to grab. Was looking for some 1987 OPC Baseball wax recently and due to the Barry Bonds PSA rookie going up in price, it's increased massively and/or you are seeing a limited amount out there for sale.

Supposedly the Bonds PSA 10 is one of the most difficult rookie cards out of the OPC Baseball sets in the 80's to attain such a grade.

It must be that the Bonds is off-center on the sheet so when the sheet is cut up into cards, it's off-center by nature.
 

max21

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I've been watching the overall markets and I attempt to be without prejudice. I have experience both in paper and online/digital, both as a power collector and as a dealer. Here's my overall meta opinion, based on what I have both observed and "felt":

1) The overall market on trading cards is increasing. The amount of dollars spread on the whole of all hobbies is increasing still.

2) During the February/March time, was a huge surge ("the surge") on certain things, mainly PSA graded/grade-able/grade worthy stuff (cheap cards with huge upside when graded PSA 8-10), and the sealed product that contained them (89, 90, 91, 92 junk wax and Marvel cards, base card RCs, etc.)

3) In my opinion, the surge was fueled by a large amount of money going to regular American people sitting at home in Covid quarantine (tax refunds filed in January, stimulus checks, corporate bonuses, etc.) all hitting at the same time...many of those sitting at home reminiscing about better days in 1991...that's why it was this sweet spot of 89-92 that was hit (the mega bucks spent on five and six digit cards in sports like NBA, many of these buyers are likely rich people and in foreign/overseas countries). A big part of this equation was due to the previous 8 year US presidential regime over-printing US currency to pay for policies, as I mentioned before.

4) The surge came back down to a big market correction for those sweet spot cards. Many of those cards went up, came back down but the return price is still higher than before the surge. So overall, while a PSA 10 card from this sweet spot may have gone for $350 before the surge, set a record of $1000 during the surge, it came back down to $400 now and will sell for likely $425 tomorrow. In the end, the card permanently went from $350 to $400+ in less than six months and will still grow more by the end of the year. (This goes for the wax too, that said card came out of, some surged and went back down a bit {for example Impel 1990 Marvel Universe; Stan Lee RC card} and some went up and will not go back down {1989 Upper Deck baseball, Low numbers; Ken Griffey, Jr. RC}. A lot of this has to do with the chances of popping a high grade copy of the said card from the sealed product. )

5) A lot of people burned during the surge will now adjust their buying habits and spread their money differently. They have some money to spend, not as much to splurge, and so they will concentrate on smaller/slower projects and really, buy a little smarter. Also, with the grading company backup/moratoriums, this holds up quite bit as much of the PSA craziness ws people buying sealed product for tons of money hoping to open grade-worthy cards for self-submission, with some quitting/deciding against such a course and just buying PSA 10 copies on the open market.

6) Thus we get we get much less spiky on smaller cards and yet we continue to get record setting prices on the big cards (one person saying Lebron is down, another showing yet another record price on a top Lebron single). Perspective.

7) Pokemon...still hot AF, the surge didn't affect this one way or another as the supply was already so limited, both new product and old. Little product could trade hands to affect prices. If Pokemon company responds as it should and reprints everything current by double, we may have a junk wax era for Pokemon....but the collector base is so big, they might be able to actually absorb it no problem. Currently a few collectors open a few boosters each so for rarer cards, most collectors have 90% zero copies, 9% one copy and 1% more than one copy...no one is able to open enough product to play the actual game (where you need close to 100% four copies of each good card for your decks).

8) Magic...steady and strong. The Time Spiral Redux set sold out like a Pokemon set...just insane. Commander cards are nuts and Wizards continuously prints new commander Legends to spark new deck ideas and thus new pools of cards are spiking every month it seems. Despite the fact that both Modern and Legacy are not played at all, people are buying up cards in anticipation of being able to play face to face again. The next most anticipated crazy set will be Modern Horizons II. Hopefully Pioneer will follow.

9) Soccer and oddball...international sports such as soccer/futbol will continue to surge and many of these collectors don't follow sports card traditions. They know PSA and that's about it. They will collect weird shit like Panini stickers and mini cards. Tennis is a sport to watch out for. As is any international star athlete personality such as Tony Hawk or Mike Tyson, especially if they were already a mega star in the 90s. Golf will make a big surge soon. Heck, earlier this year, PSA 10 Pro Set Platinum II Hockey, Fred Rogers base card was selling for $300+ (Mr. Rogers Neighborhood).

Again I re-iterate...I feel the people with money both have more fun and have more confidence in trading card company cardboard than with US currency.
Thanks for this input, cool read
 
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StreetHawk

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My best card is a Lemieux rookie from OPC but I don’t think it’s anywhere near even 6 figures in value.
 

leafsgirl12

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Stay-at-home order in Ontario. I haven't been to one in a while but I've heard Walmarts are still open but sectioned off....like you can only get food and other essentials there.

We're stuck in this rut til at least June.
Yeah Walmart mutiple areas are Still blocked off I was at one like two weeks ago only can access pharmacy areas and food areas, could possibly order cards online and pick up though
 

leafsgirl12

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Interesting, I was wondering why I couldn't find any new Topps hockey cards.
Upper Deck has CFL licensing in Canada also I have a few upper deck CFL cards including a upper deck signed cfl jumbo card i won from a Twitter giveaway think cfl has had a partnership with upper deck since like 2014 at least
 

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Picked up this piece. A bit older than some of the more talked about players...

1) He started playing hockey at the age of 18
2) He was the goalie for the Montreal Canadiens from 1917-1925 and won the Stanley cup with them 2 times (source/Wiki)
3) Before finishing his hockey career, he died of tuberculosis at age 39
4) The "Vezina" trophy, which is awarded to the best goaltender, was named after him

Georges Vezina
Rookie Card 1911 C55
dgQ2WY3
 
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Cubs2024wildcard

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Topps just had a deal online where you can buy blasters of Bowman in a window online, and I think because of the greed of distributors you will see more of that in the coming months.

There's already rumors Panini will follow suit on account of this year's draft class is stacked
 

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Picked up this piece. A bit older than some of the more talked about players...

1) He started playing hockey at the age of 18
2) He was the goalie for the Montreal Canadiens from 1917-1925 and won the Stanley cup with them 2 times (source/Wiki)
3) Before finishing his hockey career, he died of tuberculosis at age 39
4) The "Vezina" trophy, which is awarded to the best goaltender, was named after him

Georges Vezina
Rookie Card 1911 C55
dgQ2WY3

A version of this card was the most expensive hockey card for a while around 2005 or so, I recall. It's one of the rarer C55 cards out there for whatever reason, and definitely a nice one to get.
 
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OvieGreat8

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We just had a card show open up last weekend and there were alot of new sellers proudly showing off their Lamelo Prizm base rookies at Fleabay prices but nobody buying them.
Because everyone has them.
I cant wait for the next wave of sport card shops to open up from this. And it will happen. And they will all close within a year, brick and mortar and online.
Buyers are at the mercy of the two biggest sellers of wax, who manupulated this years Hoops release, the lowest of low end, into being 30 bucks a pack on release.
Like i said, once the pandemic speculators jump ship, the prices will drop to lower then where they were before the pandemic on low end cards including YG's. For those who still want to stay in this hobby, my advice is to wait it out.

If a shop can get hobby wax at a decent price that's all they need to stay in business along with supplies.
No one really buys singles at these shops like 5% of people but that's only if there is something flippable.

Pandemic is over. YG's are not changing besides performance based and typical off season trends.
They sold well on popularity before the pandemic.

But I know... you'll buy a Patrice Bergeron YG PSA 10 for $50 in a few months....
 

mouz135

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Picked up this piece. A bit older than some of the more talked about players...

1) He started playing hockey at the age of 18
2) He was the goalie for the Montreal Canadiens from 1917-1925 and won the Stanley cup with them 2 times (source/Wiki)
3) Before finishing his hockey career, he died of tuberculosis at age 39
4) The "Vezina" trophy, which is awarded to the best goaltender, was named after him

Georges Vezina
Rookie Card 1911 C55
dgQ2WY3
Beauty. I love the vintage cards and have been trying to add more to the collection. Did this one break the bank much?
 
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I recently have gotten back into the hobby. I was never this into it, since I was a kid in the 00s, and never really amassed a collection outside of packs I could find at Target/Walmart and a few defunct retail outlets. Also, got a lot of hand-me-down cards from the early-90s from people for obvious reasons. I bought a lot of junk myself, as me or my parents didn't know any better (Upper Deck MVP sets, Fleer). My biggest pull ever was a Fleer Ultra Ovechkin rookie. Again, I was a kid and would look on ebay and coveted the Young Gun version more, but when I finally got money I just decided to double down and bought another Fleer version since the YG was in the few hundred dollar range vs $20. In the early 2010s, I was buying a few jersey cards here and there, and some autos, but fast forward to now and I think I've caught the bug.

In the last month I've spent maybe some $500 on mostly YG cards produced in the last five years, with a few of the garbage era rookie HOF players. One-third of that amount has been spent on a few Tim Stutzle cards for speculative reasons, since I really like him. Now, seeing some posts here from more educated people on the industry than myself, I'm going to slow my roll a bit. I've really only splurged when something seemed like a good deal under $10-$20 of players I really like, but can see those also easily losing their value. So, I'm gonna put a hold on buying any more for now, minus a couple cards on my wishlist. I have started to look at vintage cards (70s era) and have thought about buying those instead at reasonable prices, since I should actually live to see those hit the century mark.
 
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NYRfan39

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Beauty. I love the vintage cards and have been trying to add more to the collection. Did this one break the bank much?
I've been looking at Gretzky RC's for the past 5 years. I collect non sports card graded and I did really well on them so I decided to diversify and take the plunge into hockey cards. I was planning to bid on a PSA 7ish Gretzky card but once I saw the Vezina rc I know I had to buy it. True vintage PC. Did it break the bank? Let's just say I wouldn't have paid a $1 more than I bid. I was shocked I wasn't out bid.
 

cupcrazyman

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Finally got my shipment of Ultra Pro Penny Sleeves from Amazon.Everybody seems to have run out of them.So I bought 10 packs of 100.Even the price on these is nuts.
 
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Rorschach

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Beauty. I love the vintage cards and have been trying to add more to the collection. Did this one break the bank much?
I’ve been buying a few collections/lots lately and they often come with some vintage Topps/OPC cards. They’re usually beat up but still neat. So now I have a vintage collection.
 
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Rorschach

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Finally got my shipment of Ultra Pro Penny Sleeves from Amazon.Everybody seems to have run out of them.So I bought 10 packs of 100.Even the price on these is nuts.

Penny sleeves I’ve been able to get...had to pay more but I get them. What is sold out though is 3200 count boxes.
 

Rorschach

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I recently have gotten back into the hobby. I was never this into it, since I was a kid in the 00s, and never really amassed a collection outside of packs I could find at Target/Walmart and a few defunct retail outlets. Also, got a lot of hand-me-down cards from the early-90s from people for obvious reasons. I bought a lot of junk myself, as me or my parents didn't know any better (Upper Deck MVP sets, Fleer). My biggest pull ever was a Fleer Ultra Ovechkin rookie. Again, I was a kid and would look on ebay and coveted the Young Gun version more, but when I finally got money I just decided to double down and bought another Fleer version since the YG was in the few hundred dollar range vs $20. In the early 2010s, I was buying a few jersey cards here and there, and some autos, but fast forward to now and I think I've caught the bug.

In the last month I've spent maybe some $500 on mostly YG cards produced in the last five years, with a few of the garbage era rookie HOF players. One-third of that amount has been spent on a few Tim Stutzle cards for speculative reasons, since I really like him. Now, seeing some posts here from more educated people on the industry than myself, I'm going to slow my roll a bit. I've really only splurged when something seemed like a good deal under $10-$20 of players I really like, but can see those also easily losing their value. So, I'm gonna put a hold on buying any more for now, minus a couple cards on my wishlist. I have started to look at vintage cards (70s era) and have thought about buying those instead at reasonable prices, since I should actually live to see those hit the century mark.
Welcome.
For your budget range, I recommend buying hobby boxes of Upper Deck base brand. Despite being a lower priced product, people routinely hit double and triple digit cards with even the possibility of four digit cards.
 
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voxel

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I bought an Upper Deck hockey series two "single pack" (26 cards) at my local Target and was impressed by the quality of cards compared to what they were in the 90s!

Since I'm much older than when I collected as a kid and have far more throwaway disposable income - the next time I bought a UD series 2 tin (ugh.. why is John Tavares on the cover!).

Man.. all these rookies this season are garbage. I did get a Krill Kaprizov YG Canvas card... I'm thinking.. this is not why I buy these cards. I just want Oilers: McDavid, Draisaitl, Yams, JP in sweet action poses. Instead I get Victor Mete, Corey Perry, Travis Zajac, etc, and whole bunch of players who switched teams from last season. Who is going to get excited over a Shane Bowers or Connor Ingram rookie card except their friends and family?

While I love hockey (NHL + AHL)... these league-wide collectibles of role players don't excite me. I guess the appeal is hitting some hot rookie like Laf or Stuzle (who is awesome)? And having to live with two or three Chris Tierney and Travis Dermott cards in every tin/box? And because these modern cards are so much more expensive than the bubble-gum era ones... I assume it's mostly serious collectors buying and the odd person like me on a whim?
 

Rorschach

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I bought an Upper Deck hockey series two "single pack" (26 cards) at my local Target and was impressed by the quality of cards compared to what they were in the 90s!

Since I'm much older than when I collected as a kid and have far more throwaway disposable income - the next time I bought a UD series 2 tin (ugh.. why is John Tavares on the cover!).

Man.. all these rookies this season are garbage. I did get a Krill Kaprizov YG Canvas card... I'm thinking.. this is not why I buy these cards. I just want Oilers: McDavid, Draisaitl, Yams, JP in sweet action poses. Instead I get Victor Mete, Corey Perry, Travis Zajac, etc, and whole bunch of players who switched teams from last season. Who is going to get excited over a Shane Bowers or Connor Ingram rookie card except their friends and family?

While I love hockey (NHL + AHL)... these league-wide collectibles of role players don't excite me. I guess the appeal is hitting some hot rookie like Laf or Stuzle (who is awesome)? And having to live with two or three Chris Tierney and Travis Dermott cards in every tin/box? And because these modern cards are so much more expensive than the bubble-gum era ones... I assume it's mostly serious collectors buying and the odd person like me on a whim?

Sounds like what you should do instead is cruise eBay, or if you’re in Canada visit your local hobby store, and look for Oiler team sets. Nowadays with 32 teams, unless you buy whole boxes at a time, odds are you won’t get that many players of your favorite team.
My recommendation is looking for modern O Pee Chee team sets. You’ll stay in budget and get a ton of Oilers. The OPC set, currently put out by Upper Deck, goes very deep in terms of player selection per team. And there are quite a few people cracking a zillion packs in order to put together a master set. So they wind up with a kajillion regular cards and want to unload them for cheap...most often as team sets.
 
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Sounds like what you should do instead is cruise eBay, or if you’re in Canada visit your local hobby store, and look for Oiler team sets. Nowadays with 32 teams, unless you buy whole boxes at a time, odds are you won’t get that many players of your favorite team.
My recommendation is looking for modern O Pee Chee team sets. You’ll stay in budget and get a ton of Oilers. The OPC set, currently put out by Upper Deck, goes very deep in terms of player selection per team. And there are quite a few people cracking a zillion packs in order to put together a master set. So they wind up with a kajillion regular cards and want to unload them for cheap...most often as team sets.

Team sets sound like what I want. The only Oiler I got in the tin box was Alex Fricking Chiasson! It’s not like I’m school age and can go trade my Auston Matthews card for some random Oiler.. so eBay sounds like the best option. I do like cracking opening the card packs... I just don’t care for all these scrubs.
 
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