Bondurant
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You cannot answer my question? Perhaps prices are not dropping "across the board" as you claim. No big deal.
Hockey Cards - Part III
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Look at every chart of every Lebron rookie.
Who cares about one stupid sale.
His exquisite just sold for $760k at goldin.
Way down from the previous ones.
Lebron exquisite /99 rpa sold for $1.7 million in April
Lebron exquisite /99 rpa sold for $700k in May
Lebron exquisite /99 rpa sold for $700k in May
Yeah there is. He has plenty of UD basic rookies.
They are all down from peak.
Topps.
Bowman.
Spa
Ultimate.
Exquisite.
All down.
Just like Jordan rc PSA 10's
There's no point in talking about illiquid cards as lot of those are sold to themselves or buddies to prop up the market just like with Trout bowman auto's.
I can create any sale on ebay right now for any card for any price if you want.
You talk about cards going back to pre-covid prices....you really think future watches of Marchand, rask, backstrom, kopitar will be selling for $20 next year.
I can create any sale on ebay right now for any card for any price if you want.
You talk about cards going back to pre-covid prices....you really think future watches of Marchand, rask, backstrom, kopitar will be selling for $20 next year.
Million dollar cards are definitely a whale's market. That sentiment can shift from $700k to $1.7 million depending simply on the circumstance. I'm not a big fan of auctions because of how limiting they are to the market. I hope that at some point in the near future there is an active, reliable free market for cards.
One thing that I don't see talked about here in relation to future valuation is the US shift from NBC to ESPN/TNT/Streaming. I'm bullish on that transition. I don't think it will make hockey cards explode, but I think it at least adds a nice support to the market. Especially for the more marketable young stars.
One thing that I don't see talked about here in relation to future valuation is the US shift from NBC to ESPN/TNT/Streaming. I'm bullish on that transition. I don't think it will make hockey cards explode, but I think it at least adds a nice support to the market. Especially for the more marketable young stars.
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Card Ladder is a scam.
For 15 bucks a month you can add any sale of a card into it's database so long as you claim it as your own.
Which is why nobody uses it as any sort of guide.
Until.....
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So.... You are admitting to committing fraud on a whim? Come on, bruh.
Your takes are way out there to the point they can't be taken seriously. You are in the wrong thread.
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I did.
Why are you buying boxes from sellers who are still using the pandemic against collectors?
Bondurant
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I am not buying. Time to duck out when one box can be purchased for the price of 2 last year. Yet the prices remain in tact. Prices of some product may, in fact, be dropping but not as widespread as your initial claim. Which is fine.
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You are looking in the wrong places?
You really need to buy direct if you want wax. You are at the mercy of the two big sellers who have monopolized the market.
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Don't really think that's gonna mean anything.
The NBA exploded when they went all in on promoting their stars and had the biggest star in sport to build around.
Only diehards in the states knows who McDavid is let alone cares. It's alot to ask a dying sport channel to market your product for you.
Bondurant
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Horrible advice for most people and you know it. We don't all have "businesses" that UD will sell direct to. I think we have been on this rodeo before in an earlier version of the thread.
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I've been watching the overall markets and I attempt to be without prejudice. I have experience both in paper and online/digital, both as a power collector and as a dealer. Here's my overall meta opinion, based on what I have both observed and "felt":
1) The overall market on trading cards is increasing. The amount of dollars spread on the whole of all hobbies is increasing still.
2) During the February/March time, was a huge surge ("the surge") on certain things, mainly PSA graded/grade-able/grade worthy stuff (cheap cards with huge upside when graded PSA 8-10), and the sealed product that contained them (89, 90, 91, 92 junk wax and Marvel cards, base card RCs, etc.)
3) In my opinion, the surge was fueled by a large amount of money going to regular American people sitting at home in Covid quarantine (tax refunds filed in January, stimulus checks, corporate bonuses, etc.) all hitting at the same time...many of those sitting at home reminiscing about better days in 1991...that's why it was this sweet spot of 89-92 that was hit (the mega bucks spent on five and six digit cards in sports like NBA, many of these buyers are likely rich people and in foreign/overseas countries). A big part of this equation was due to the previous 8 year US presidential regime over-printing US currency to pay for policies, as I mentioned before.
4) The surge came back down to a big market correction for those sweet spot cards. Many of those cards went up, came back down but the return price is still higher than before the surge. So overall, while a PSA 10 card from this sweet spot may have gone for $350 before the surge, set a record of $1000 during the surge, it came back down to $400 now and will sell for likely $425 tomorrow. In the end, the card permanently went from $350 to $400+ in less than six months and will still grow more by the end of the year. (This goes for the wax too, that said card came out of, some surged and went back down a bit {for example Impel 1990 Marvel Universe; Stan Lee RC card} and some went up and will not go back down {1989 Upper Deck baseball, Low numbers; Ken Griffey, Jr. RC}. A lot of this has to do with the chances of popping a high grade copy of the said card from the sealed product. )
5) A lot of people burned during the surge will now adjust their buying habits and spread their money differently. They have some money to spend, not as much to splurge, and so they will concentrate on smaller/slower projects and really, buy a little smarter. Also, with the grading company backup/moratoriums, this holds up quite bit as much of the PSA craziness ws people buying sealed product for tons of money hoping to open grade-worthy cards for self-submission, with some quitting/deciding against such a course and just buying PSA 10 copies on the open market.
6) Thus we get we get much less spiky on smaller cards and yet we continue to get record setting prices on the big cards (one person saying Lebron is down, another showing yet another record price on a top Lebron single). Perspective.
7) Pokemon...still hot AF, the surge didn't affect this one way or another as the supply was already so limited, both new product and old. Little product could trade hands to affect prices. If Pokemon company responds as it should and reprints everything current by double, we may have a junk wax era for Pokemon....but the collector base is so big, they might be able to actually absorb it no problem. Currently a few collectors open a few boosters each so for rarer cards, most collectors have 90% zero copies, 9% one copy and 1% more than one copy...no one is able to open enough product to play the actual game (where you need close to 100% four copies of each good card for your decks).
8) Magic...steady and strong. The Time Spiral Redux set sold out like a Pokemon set...just insane. Commander cards are nuts and Wizards continuously prints new commander Legends to spark new deck ideas and thus new pools of cards are spiking every month it seems. Despite the fact that both Modern and Legacy are not played at all, people are buying up cards in anticipation of being able to play face to face again. The next most anticipated crazy set will be Modern Horizons II. Hopefully Pioneer will follow.
9) Soccer and oddball...international sports such as soccer/futbol will continue to surge and many of these collectors don't follow sports card traditions. They know PSA and that's about it. They will collect weird shit like Panini stickers and mini cards. Tennis is a sport to watch out for. As is any international star athlete personality such as Tony Hawk or Mike Tyson, especially if they were already a mega star in the 90s. Golf will make a big surge soon. Heck, earlier this year, PSA 10 Pro Set Platinum II Hockey, Fred Rogers base card was selling for $300+ (Mr. Rogers Neighborhood).
Again I re-iterate...I feel the people with money both have more fun and have more confidence in trading card company cardboard than with US currency.
1) The overall market on trading cards is increasing. The amount of dollars spread on the whole of all hobbies is increasing still.
2) During the February/March time, was a huge surge ("the surge") on certain things, mainly PSA graded/grade-able/grade worthy stuff (cheap cards with huge upside when graded PSA 8-10), and the sealed product that contained them (89, 90, 91, 92 junk wax and Marvel cards, base card RCs, etc.)
3) In my opinion, the surge was fueled by a large amount of money going to regular American people sitting at home in Covid quarantine (tax refunds filed in January, stimulus checks, corporate bonuses, etc.) all hitting at the same time...many of those sitting at home reminiscing about better days in 1991...that's why it was this sweet spot of 89-92 that was hit (the mega bucks spent on five and six digit cards in sports like NBA, many of these buyers are likely rich people and in foreign/overseas countries). A big part of this equation was due to the previous 8 year US presidential regime over-printing US currency to pay for policies, as I mentioned before.
4) The surge came back down to a big market correction for those sweet spot cards. Many of those cards went up, came back down but the return price is still higher than before the surge. So overall, while a PSA 10 card from this sweet spot may have gone for $350 before the surge, set a record of $1000 during the surge, it came back down to $400 now and will sell for likely $425 tomorrow. In the end, the card permanently went from $350 to $400+ in less than six months and will still grow more by the end of the year. (This goes for the wax too, that said card came out of, some surged and went back down a bit {for example Impel 1990 Marvel Universe; Stan Lee RC card} and some went up and will not go back down {1989 Upper Deck baseball, Low numbers; Ken Griffey, Jr. RC}. A lot of this has to do with the chances of popping a high grade copy of the said card from the sealed product. )
5) A lot of people burned during the surge will now adjust their buying habits and spread their money differently. They have some money to spend, not as much to splurge, and so they will concentrate on smaller/slower projects and really, buy a little smarter. Also, with the grading company backup/moratoriums, this holds up quite bit as much of the PSA craziness ws people buying sealed product for tons of money hoping to open grade-worthy cards for self-submission, with some quitting/deciding against such a course and just buying PSA 10 copies on the open market.
6) Thus we get we get much less spiky on smaller cards and yet we continue to get record setting prices on the big cards (one person saying Lebron is down, another showing yet another record price on a top Lebron single). Perspective.
7) Pokemon...still hot AF, the surge didn't affect this one way or another as the supply was already so limited, both new product and old. Little product could trade hands to affect prices. If Pokemon company responds as it should and reprints everything current by double, we may have a junk wax era for Pokemon....but the collector base is so big, they might be able to actually absorb it no problem. Currently a few collectors open a few boosters each so for rarer cards, most collectors have 90% zero copies, 9% one copy and 1% more than one copy...no one is able to open enough product to play the actual game (where you need close to 100% four copies of each good card for your decks).
8) Magic...steady and strong. The Time Spiral Redux set sold out like a Pokemon set...just insane. Commander cards are nuts and Wizards continuously prints new commander Legends to spark new deck ideas and thus new pools of cards are spiking every month it seems. Despite the fact that both Modern and Legacy are not played at all, people are buying up cards in anticipation of being able to play face to face again. The next most anticipated crazy set will be Modern Horizons II. Hopefully Pioneer will follow.
9) Soccer and oddball...international sports such as soccer/futbol will continue to surge and many of these collectors don't follow sports card traditions. They know PSA and that's about it. They will collect weird shit like Panini stickers and mini cards. Tennis is a sport to watch out for. As is any international star athlete personality such as Tony Hawk or Mike Tyson, especially if they were already a mega star in the 90s. Golf will make a big surge soon. Heck, earlier this year, PSA 10 Pro Set Platinum II Hockey, Fred Rogers base card was selling for $300+ (Mr. Rogers Neighborhood).
Again I re-iterate...I feel the people with money both have more fun and have more confidence in trading card company cardboard than with US currency.
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Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Like Trout in baseball, Gretzky along with Crosby/Ovechkin will lead the way in pricing/demand highs. As long as there is Gretzky, no one can say hockey is irrelevant. Crosby/Ovechkin on the other hand will be used as the yardsticks for modern card values, both for players who came before and after them. For example if you think Ovechkin is a top 10 player of all time, you can say a player like Hasek is also a top 10 recently so Hasek cards should be valuable too. On the other hand you have a player who came after like Patrick Kane who has some comparable stats and awards to Ovechkin. Kane should be maybe at least 70% the value of Ovechkin because he's at least 85% the player Ovechkin was. Right now Ovechkin is setting new record prices for cards like /999 SP Authentic FWA. Maybe Kane's should go up to a certain percentage too.
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Spot on analysis, as usual.
Some quick take off it in my opinion;
Pokemon was gonna blow up sooner or later. It always sells out and once kids realized, or speculators, that the cards in those 35 dollar boxes were exclusive to only those boxes the demand was gonna rise. Tik Tok played a huge part in the pokecraze.
Magic had it's "surge" about six months before the pandemic with a certain sub set from a retail exclusive. Idk which one but was always asked if I saw some purple brick at the local targets in my area.
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We just had a card show open up last weekend and there were alot of new sellers proudly showing off their Lamelo Prizm base rookies at Fleabay prices but nobody buying them.
Because everyone has them.
I cant wait for the next wave of sport card shops to open up from this. And it will happen. And they will all close within a year, brick and mortar and online.
Buyers are at the mercy of the two biggest sellers of wax, who manupulated this years Hoops release, the lowest of low end, into being 30 bucks a pack on release.
Like i said, once the pandemic speculators jump ship, the prices will drop to lower then where they were before the pandemic on low end cards including YG's. For those who still want to stay in this hobby, my advice is to wait it out.
Because everyone has them.
I cant wait for the next wave of sport card shops to open up from this. And it will happen. And they will all close within a year, brick and mortar and online.
Buyers are at the mercy of the two biggest sellers of wax, who manupulated this years Hoops release, the lowest of low end, into being 30 bucks a pack on release.
Like i said, once the pandemic speculators jump ship, the prices will drop to lower then where they were before the pandemic on low end cards including YG's. For those who still want to stay in this hobby, my advice is to wait it out.
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Just read through the last several pages of this post and some excellent information provided, especially by @Rorschach. Much appreciated.
Loved the Dave Reid TSN profile. What a collection he has/had. Btw, that Harrold Snepsts goal was a rocket!
I personally collect pre-90's wax and cards - OPC /Topps Baseball and Hockey. Love collecting but it sure has become expensive. I remember years ago grabbing the OPC Hockey rack packs (1983 & 1984) for $40 CDN and now the prices are insane just because there is a Gretzky on the front.
Same with OPC Baseball wax. Used to grab boxes of OPC 1983 for $70-$80 CDN, now i am seeing prices in some cases over $1,000 for a box.
Loved the Dave Reid TSN profile. What a collection he has/had. Btw, that Harrold Snepsts goal was a rocket!
I personally collect pre-90's wax and cards - OPC /Topps Baseball and Hockey. Love collecting but it sure has become expensive. I remember years ago grabbing the OPC Hockey rack packs (1983 & 1984) for $40 CDN and now the prices are insane just because there is a Gretzky on the front.
Same with OPC Baseball wax. Used to grab boxes of OPC 1983 for $70-$80 CDN, now i am seeing prices in some cases over $1,000 for a box.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Just read through the last several pages of this post and some excellent information provided, especially by @Rorschach. Much appreciated.
Loved the Dave Reid TSN profile. What a collection he has/had. Btw, that Harrold Snepsts goal was a rocket!
I personally collect pre-90's wax and cards - OPC /Topps Baseball and Hockey. Love collecting but it sure has become expensive. I remember years ago grabbing the OPC Hockey rack packs (1983 & 1984) for $40 CDN and now the prices are insane just because there is a Gretzky on the front.
Same with OPC Baseball wax. Used to grab boxes of OPC 1983 for $70-$80 CDN, now i am seeing prices in some cases over $1,000 for a box.
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During COVID I put down my MTG collection and started buying nostalgiac 80s baseball wax. I tried to get some Leaf and OPC baseball...omg that shit is tough to find and expensive. People cracking that stuff to sub to PSA. I was lucky to get a full factory box set of 1988 OPC for $40.
