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Sens of Anarchy said:
I had some empathy at first but lost it with all the whining.

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I hope the US whine like hell so this wont happen in the future. Sitting silent never change anything. Here on HF thou whining wont change the future or the present. If you cant bare whiners after a loss like this ,dont read the thread. Any country would whine , its not like Canada is better in that regard. Will be fun against Canada in the final. Sweden will probably be eaten alive.
 
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snipes said:
Again.

Expert in contract law: Agreed upon terms with offer, acceptance, and consideration signed by all parties free from undue influence and agreed to in good faith = valid contract.

All federations agreed to the contract. Straight forward application of contract law in the Anglo common law tradition (UK, USA, Canada) and continental civil codes tradition (non common law European powers).

Terms were agreed to and enforced. Ultimately this led to probably the U18 game that will be watched again by future generations more than any prior U18 game.
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Last time I checked this website was not a court-room, so you can drop the high and mighty approach.

No one disputes what was agreed upon. What is disputed is what actually happened. Hockey is a set amount of time. In that set amount of time, we have conclusive agreed upon proof that the USA had 5 goals and Canada had 4 goals. That results in a USA win.

I don't think anyone cares that much about this result, but lets not distort reality. The USA won. Canada was handed the game because of bad officiating and this disgraceful contract that you know so well about.
 
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heretik27 said:
At the end of the game, Canada scored more goals than the USA. A fraction of a second and the limitations of human error doesn't change that. Give the kids their due respect.
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This is delusional or disingenuous. You can let everyone know which it is.

At 60:00, which is the length of the game, we have conclusive proof that the USA had scored more goals.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Last time I checked this website was not a court-room, so you can drop the high and mighty approach.

No one disputes what was agreed upon. What is disputed is what actually happened. Hockey is a set amount of time. In that set amount of time, we have conclusive agreed upon proof that the USA had 5 goals and Canada had 4 goals. That results in a USA win.

I don't think anyone cares that much about this result, but lets not distort reality. The USA won. Canada was handed the game because of bad officiating and this disgraceful contract that you know so well about.
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Nothing was disgraceful.

Remember, the refs reconvened
after the Yanks first goal in the 1st period and changed their call from "no goal" to "goal".

Allowing the last "millisecond overhead" goaline review to overturn a goal scored in that situation would have been a tragedy. The refs would need to use video review (in contravention of the agreement the Red Deer pool demanded) (I.e. The "Equal playing field in Alberta" the Russians demanded).

We gave the Russians the full "autonomy" they needed in the Red Deer, Alberta group. We put their best "athletes of the future" needs at the top of our Alberta "Caring prairie bond" needs that is genuinely distinct from their "Upper Canada [Ontario, early "Prince Rupert", and "Northwest Territory" included], "Lower Canada [quebec]", and our "Atlantic" neighbours in PEI, New Scotland (Nova Scotia), Newfoundland and Labrador" countrymen/women.

To summarize, all signing powers to this tournament agreed to the terms. Perhaps next the next best-on-best tournament will have better terms.

I hope so for the legitimacy of this tournament. We need fair; unequivocally established rules (which we had) that actually make sense (I.e. Video review) and are applied in Czechia and Canada at every event. Without Olympic best-on-best this is all we have left. The hockey powers need a unified vision for this tournament.
 
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Since last year's debacle at the WJC I half expect shenanigans in these junior tournaments. Just scrap international tournaments if you can't do them fairly.
 
Wooren said:
Won with a goal that shouldn't have counted.
What a glorious, heroic win indeed.
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Agreed, however, let's not forget our u18 kids fought to literally the last second.

The Red Deer, Alberta teams in that group pushed for the "no video review" clause because a "big screen replay" was not available to the spectators and refs/coaches/power brokers attending the event live in Red Deer.

Those who have given up their time to support this event at a level Czechia and Slovakia haven't come close to matching in terms of revenue, coverage, and attendance (yes, attendance from Canada's 3 round robin games surpassed total attendance numbers from previous iterations) added to this tournament. August is typically vacation "camping" and "time in the forest around a fire" for western Candians.
 
Oh man such drama. I am glad sweden wasnt involved in that

Canada always finds a way to win. I am sure they win gold over a depleted swedish team.
 
snipes said:
Agreed, however, let's not forget our u18 kids fought to literally the last second.

The Red Deer, Alberta teams in that group pushed for the "no video review" clause because a "big screen replay" was not available to the spectators and refs/coaches/power brokers attending the event live in Red Deer.

Those who have given up their time to support this event at a level Czechia and Slovakia haven't come close to matching in terms of revenue, coverage, and attendance (yes, attendance from Canada's 3 round robin games surpassed total attendance numbers from previous iterations) added to this tournament. August is typically vacation "camping" and "time in the forest around a fire" for western Candians.
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I only watched the 1st period, but no matter how hard Canada pushed, they "tied" it with a goal that shouldn't have counted. The video decision was stupid. When you can use it, do so. Especially when it's the semifinal.

The attendance record surprises me, it's probably because of Canada's games, because the Red Deer group had like no crowd.
I don't think the coverage was better. In Europe you had two good streams, in Canada you have one great and one bad. On top of that, there was not stream for the placement games. Perhaps at the next Canada-hosted Hlinka tournament we get the TSN coverage for every game in which case it will easily surpass Europe, but not there yet.
 
Wooren said:
Won with a goal that shouldn't have counted.
What a glorious, heroic win indeed.
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You mad bro.

(by the way, as soon as Canada scored I turned to my friend and told him I doubt it counts) At the arena there was no replay and I didn't know if there was replay for officials until after the game. When I saw the replay with the time I lol'd
 
Wooren said:
I only watched the 1st period, but no matter how hard Canada pushed, they "tied" it with a goal that shouldn't have counted. The video decision was stupid. When you can use it, do so. Especially when it's the semifinal.

The attendance record surprises me, it's probably because of Canada's games, because the Red Deer group had like no crowd.
I don't think the coverage was better. In Europe you had two good streams, in Canada you have one great and one bad. On top of that, there was not stream for the placement games. Perhaps at the next Canada-hosted Hlinka tournament we get the TSN coverage for every game in which case it will easily surpass Europe, but not there yet.
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I agree. We need full coverage of both groups going forward. Play by play and colour commentary at both pools.

A Regina and Saskatoon/Winnipeg pool would be excellent for bringing the type of support a best-on-best U18 hockey competition deserves.

Likewise a Thunder Bay/Sault St. Marie and London/Kingston, Ontario event would be good. Or Halifax and St. John's in the Atlantic provinces.

As fans I think we all want to see this tournament grow and be easily available to view in Europe and North America.

Personally, I like the bonds it builds with the Czechs and Slovaks with Canada. Alternating years with widely available broadcasts is a good thing :)
 
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snipes said:
I agree. We need full coverage of both groups going forward. Play by play and colour commentary at both pools.

A Regina and Saskatoon/Winnipeg pool would be excellent for bringing the type of support a best-on-best U18 hockey competition deserves.

Likewise a Thunder Bay/Sault St. Marie and London/Kingston, Ontario event would be good. Or Halifax and St. John's in the Atlantic provinces.

As fans I think we all want to see this tournament grow and be easily available to view in Europe and North America.

Personally, I like the bonds it builds with the Czechs and Slovaks with Canada. Alternating years with widely available broadcasts is a good thing :)
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According to Al Coates (Hockey Canada guy), the tournament will stay in Edmonton/Red Deer.
 
JAS 39 Gripen said:
Im just saying, if this happened TO Canada in Europe, they wouldn't attend the next tournament, calling out european arenas as "fake"
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I'm pretty sure Canada's been on the wrong side of a bad call before...and we're still playing hockey.

It sucks when it happens to your team, but don't make stuff up.
 
its 2018 why is there no video review ? this along with other dumb IHF rules

USA got the shaft plain and simple

anyways the best team in tourney are the swedes
 
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