HFJets STH renewal 2019

[KingBogo]

Perhaps @KingBogo can pay everyone's 5% increase over the next three years.

How is this logical? I don't mind paying it myself, but if someone else decides that ST no longer makes sense for them financially, time commitment etc. that is a personal choice. Some people frame going to a casino as their entertainment, but personally the thought of throwing a couple hundred into a slot machine is as far from fun as I can imagine and a colossal waste of time and money IMO. Some people will pay hundreds to go to a concert which I personally think is ridiculous no matter how much I like the music. Going to NHL games is just another choice and one I believe is well worth my entertainment dollar. If it aint worth it to you don't go.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Interesting idea and I mostly agree and some of this is where I was going with some earlier posts. I don't think TNSE minds at all weeding out some current ST holders. I think they would like to open up opportunity for those on the wait list who are better suited to be long term stable ST holders. During the initial frenzy a lot of people bought into ST that were ill suited for the long term for any variety of reasons. Didn't have the time, didn't have the financial resources etc. Earlier I mentioned a retired friend of mine who is very well suited to be a ST holder who was just getting offered tickets after 8 years on the waiting list. He will get 2 seats and barely look at the invoice. On top of a pension he runs a lucrative consulting business and his wife is a very highly paid professional. He will go to about half the games and give away tickets to the other half of games to people who would not otherwise go either through business connections, boards he sits on etc. Many of this tickets would end up in the hands of underprivileged kids due to the nature of his work so he doesn't contribute to the flooding of the secondary market. This type of ST holder is much preferable to someone who is uncomfortable with the financial commitment no matter what the reasons.

I know what you are saying but this screams
Hockey ISN’T for everyone.

 

[KingBogo]

I know what you are saying but this screams
Hockey ISN’T for everyone.

Hockey is for everybody, but being a ST holder isn't necessarily for everyone. You can watch every single game without ever entering an arena. Attending sports live has become an expensive form of entertainment, be it for a single game or as a ST holder. It is how you compete. Some owners will eat financial loses to play with their toy. TNSE has made it very clear that they won't.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Hockey is for everybody, but being a ST holder isn't necessarily for everyone. You can watch every single game without ever entering an arena. Attending sports live has become an expensive form of entertainment, be it for a single game or as a ST holder. It is how you compete. Some owners will eat financial loses to play with their toy. TNSE has made it very clear that they won't.

I agree partly, it’s an interesting situation for sure.
So to the STH clientele comments, your premise I believe is that only the “right” financial partners fit TNSE model of what STH should look like.
When the Jets came back it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that a population base which is the smallest in the NHL would count on STH cooperatives as it were to make this viable.
Question, what has changed in Winnipeg that leads you to believe that there is this great pool of well heeled suitors that are just ready to grab the seats of those not suited to be STH?
I’m thinking that the more and varied fan base you can attract the better off you will be long term.
I doubt TNSE wants to drive anyone away as it’s not good business.
I totally agree many people jumped in with both feet without considering the cost which is simply bad judgment on their part.
Again I agree it’s an expensive form of entertainment which excludes many fine folks, I get it that’s how life works.
I’m not a STH and by some of the comments made it appears this ownership group isn’t participating in valuing the STH by means of extra promotional considerations like other teams do.
I find this thread a really interesting read as the comments are both extremely critical and complimentary towards the organization as it applies to STH
I am left wondering is the truth somewhere in the middle.
I hope this team doesn’t leave but if it ever does life goes on.

 

[Cellee]

When we inquired about not renewing a couple of seasons ago, they told us we would forfeit our deposit and that they would take us to court for breaching our contract. They actually threatened to sue us.

I don't know why you guys are surprised by this. It is in your contract.

They set their budget years in advance, and it is made very clear to the buyer that you are locked in.

 

[Cellee]

Sounds brutal being a Jets STH. You guys should consider Bomber season tickets...the staff is way more flexible and friendly. Lots of different payment options too.

I'm a Jets fan, but no need to be a STH. I attend a few games every season and that's enough for me. Maybe TNSE only wants corporate STH's.

Bomber games are fun. I am a STH.

They need to re-assess some of their section pricing though. Tickets on the corners in the lower bowl do not sell that great, they need to bring the price down (I don't sit there so it is not because I want cheaper tickets).

 

[SCP Guy]

Why be a bomber season ticket holder? So easy to get tickets for every game minus the banjo bowl including playoffs tickets at ST holder price or almost always lower.... Good luck selling a ticket to a cold rainy game in October for ST cost ..... See the argument goes both ways here. Oh wait beers are $4 and hotdogs are $2 right? If you can afford to be a ST holder and find value in the product then be one... If you can't afford it or don't find value in the product then move on... But stop crying about why you don't feel appreciated no one cares

 

[Cellee]

Why be a bomber season ticket holder? So easy to get tickets for every game minus the banjo bowl including playoffs tickets at ST holder price or almost alway way lower.... Good luck selling a ticket to a cold rainy game in October ..... See the argument goes both ways here. Oh wait beers are $5 and hotdogs are $2 right? If you can afford to be a ST holder and find value in the product then be one... If you can't afford it or don't find value in the product then move on... But stop crying

I'm a Bomber season ticket holder because I like going to all the games. $250 to take the hassle and fees of game day tickets for an entire aeason+ playoffs.

Such a no brainer. Plus you can even do payment plans (I don't).

 

[SCP Guy]

I'm a Bomber season ticket holder because I like going to all the games. $250 to take the hassle and fees of game day tickets for an entire aeason+ playoffs.

Such a no brainer. Plus you can even do payment plans (I don't).

It is a money and value thing like I said... But let's be honest it has very little to do with all the other crying going on in here....people can justify any argument they want.

 

[Cellee]

It is a money and value thing like I said... But let's be honest it has very little to do with all the other crying going on in here... .

It is indeed.

Nobody put a gun to anybody's head.

 

[SCP Guy]

It is indeed.

Nobody put a gun to anybody's head.

Agree 110%! !!!

You would think the opposite in here...

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

But stop crying about why you don't feel appreciated no one cares

I care, thus disproving your statement.

 

[SCP Guy]

I care, thus disproving your statement.

If that's the only part of my statement you can disprove I'm pretty happy with that

 

[drumzan]

I’ve been considering giving up my tickets and passing on to one of my shareholders for 4 reasons (in order):
1. Lack of Saturday night games, especially before January. And too many Tuesday’s.
2. Lack of offers to move seats
3. Epidemic of seat leaners in P5.
4. Rising costs - tickets and concessions

 

[potroaster]

Corporate donors. Are we talking big players on the stage? Is Amazon here? Apple? We got Danny's Whole Hog ready to buy 4 tickets I am sure. Is the entire lower level going to be bought out by Corporate?

Is the wait list just ready to show Winnipeggers how cheap and frugal we are for not accepting a 5%+2% increase? Let's see. I got a million on this Big Short.


I don't think we are cheap and frugal when we talk about the Jets. Everyone has at least a $120 jersey or a $80 poncho. That's at least 300,000 of us. And hats. Socks. Flags.


I wouldn't be wasting my time rambling on If we had a proper arena with 18,000 seats. This was a snap decision done in 2011. Pretty sure there was no feasibility study done prior to purchasing the Thrashers. Let's see next year. Hoping for the best.

 

[KingBogo]

Corporate donors. Are we talking big players on the stage? Is Amazon here? Apple? We got Danny's Whole Hog ready to buy 4 tickets I am sure. Is the entire lower level going to be bought out by Corporate?

Is the wait list just ready to show Winnipeggers how cheap and frugal we are for not accepting a 5%+2% increase? Let's see. I got a million on this Big Short.


I don't think we are cheap and frugal when we talk about the Jets. Everyone has at least a $120 jersey or a $80 poncho. That's at least 300,000 of us. And hats. Socks. Flags.


I wouldn't be wasting my time rambling on If we had a proper arena with 18,000 seats. This was a snap decision done in 2011. Pretty sure there was no feasibility study done prior to purchasing the Thrashers. Let's see next year. Hoping for the best.

I take it your not up on this history. Chipman made his 1st presentation to the league in January 2007, as the initial step of a long courting process that put him and his partner David Thomson 1st in line 4 1/2 years later when a team became available. Sorry, but it is just silly to think that Chipman and Thomson purchased a NHL team without doing the necessary groundwork.

TNSE did make it very clear from the beginning that the Jets would be operated as a business with the expectation it generate an operating profit. And every season they have generated a modest profit on operations. In the early days when we were a poor team with few star players this was on the back of being a so called budget team where they spend well below the cap on player salaries. As the team improved and we started getting closer to being a cap team this profit needs to be generated in other ways. Playoff revenue is the ideal, but as we have seen this year there is no year by year guarantee.

 

[ps241]

Interesting thread, lots of discontent.

I guess we will find out if this is an NHL City over the next decade. I have always felt the biggest challenge was going to arrive on the downslope after having a decent team for a while. Looks like it might be arriving earlier than that if this is indicative of a broader cross section?

 

[JetsNut]

Corporate donors. Are we talking big players on the stage? Is Amazon here? Apple? We got Danny's Whole Hog ready to buy 4 tickets I am sure. Is the entire lower level going to be bought out by Corporate?

Is the wait list just ready to show Winnipeggers how cheap and frugal we are for not accepting a 5%+2% increase? Let's see. I got a million on this Big Short.


I don't think we are cheap and frugal when we talk about the Jets. Everyone has at least a $120 jersey or a $80 poncho. That's at least 300,000 of us. And hats. Socks. Flags.


I wouldn't be wasting my time rambling on If we had a proper arena with 18,000 seats. This was a snap decision done in 2011. Pretty sure there was no feasibility study done prior to purchasing the Thrashers. Let's see next year. Hoping for the best.

You’re kidding right? A snap decision in 2011? The wheels were set in motion back in 1996 with acquiring the Moose ad a first step to bring an NHL back one day. The arena was the major step in legitimizing that aspiration. You really think that businessmen like Chipman and Thompson wouldn’t have done a feasibility study? You honestly think they’re winging it?

 

[Gm0ney]

Interesting thread, lots of discontent.

I guess we will find out if this is an NHL City over the next decade. I have always felt the biggest challenge was going to arrive on the downslope after having a decent team for a while. Looks like it might be arriving earlier than that if this is indicative of a broader cross section?

The excitement of a playoff team doesn't seem to be totally compensating for the end of the honeymoon phase. I think the Jets misplayed their hand and left some fans feeling like they got taken for granted.

 

[DannyGallivan]

I’ve been considering giving up my tickets and passing on to one of my shareholders for 4 reasons (in order):
1. Lack of Saturday night games, especially before January. And too many Tuesday’s.
2. Lack of offers to move seats
3. Epidemic of seat leaners in P5.
4. Rising costs - tickets and concessions

All valid reasons (that you won't find in your contract). As far as the bolded is concerned, I'm wondering if the shoe-horning of the loge seating. As someone who sat in P5, fourth row, I found that I had to lean to look over skulls in front of me from time to time.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Interesting thread, lots of discontent.

I guess we will find out if this is an NHL City over the next decade. I have always felt the biggest challenge was going to arrive on the downslope after having a decent team for a while. Looks like it might be arriving earlier than that if this is indicative of a broader cross section?

If we're an NHL city, then the team can handle 100 percent STH turn over and replace the arena with brand new butts in every seat. For myself personally, I felt a sense of duty to support the team with my dollars after spending 15 years telling anybody that would listen that:

1. Winnipeg is an NHL city, and
2. The NHL would return to Winnipeg.

Now, thousands and thousands of dollars later, I feel like I've done my part. If the tickets were more affordable, and if there was more of a reason to be a season ticket holder, I may still have my tickets. I guess I've given others the opportunity to be STH's, and for that... you're welcome. I'll be watching at home, except for a handful of games that I can afford to go to.

 

[drumzan]

All valid reasons (that you won't find in your contract). As far as the bolded is concerned, I'm wondering if the shoe-horning of the loge seating. As someone who sat in P5, fourth row, I found that I had to lean to look over skulls in front of me from time to time.

Seat leaning has been a problem since season 1. It’s not something introduced from loge seating, but may very well have made it worse. TNSE did a demonstration during intermission one time instructing not to lean. I’ve only seen it once, and it was during intermission where at least half the people aren’t at their seats or paying attention.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Seat leaning has been a problem since season 1. It’s not something introduced from loge seating, but may very well have made it worse. TNSE did a demonstration during intermission one time instructing not to lean. I’ve only seen it once, and it was during intermission where at least half the people aren’t at their seats or paying attention.

You know there's a design flaw when you have to encourage patrons to sit back in their seats as if they're at the theatre instead of a sporting event.

On the one hand, the steepness of the seats really adds to the closeness patrons are to the action. The bad part is a tall person in front of you, or people leaning to see over obstacles in front of them (or because of the action) will cause obstructed views.

 

[sting13]

Seat leaning has been a problem since season 1. It’s not something introduced from loge seating, but may very well have made it worse. TNSE did a demonstration during intermission one time instructing not to lean. I’ve only seen it once, and it was during intermission where at least half the people aren’t at their seats or paying attention.

TNSE hasn't exactly cared about leanners. I had situation last year were I sit behind the handicap section and people who were not physically handicapped were moving the chairs up and leaning to almost touch the glass blocking my entire view of the goal. I asked if they could tell the people not to lean on the chairs and thus I could sit back and not block for the rows behind me. The answer I got was as long as the chair was behind the line they can lean forward as much as they want. If had a problem, they would relocate me after 7 years instead of asking them to sit back. They never solved the problem, I only got lucky in that someone I know well, who knew the people was able to talk with them and explain how it would cause a chain reaction.

 

[cbcwpg]

You know there's a design flaw when you have to encourage patrons to sit back in their seats as if they're at the theatre instead of a sporting event.

On the one hand, the steepness of the seats really adds to the closeness patrons are to the action. The bad part is a tall person in front of you, or people leaning to see over obstacles in front of them (or because of the action) will cause obstructed views.

It's definitely a design flaw, no question about that. And adding the loge just made it worse. How else can you explain that TNSE had to raise every seat in the upper deck after they put in the loge in an attempt to correct what was always a bad design to start and a really bad idea ( the loge ) after the fact. JMO, but the upper deck in this arena was never really meant to be used and it was just for when the occasional event demanded extra seating. And I have that opinion, because just everything about the upper deck is bad. The sightlines, the size of the washrooms, the size of the concourse, etc. It's just all a poor thought out design. And go to any newer arena in the NHL and you will see where ours is lacking.

As funny as it may sound, the upper deck probably isn't steep enough. I had season tickets in the upper deck in the old build on Maroons Road... and I can guarantee you, leaning was never an issue. Might have been because people were so scared to lean thinking they might fall out of their seats and plummet to the ice, but you could lean all you wanted, and you would never block the view of anyone behind you.