Proposal: Hertl to NYR (with agreement on long-term contract)
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I would take Chytil and Lundkvist and the Rangers 1st and run, that’s decidedly better than this Avs package plus the 1st will likely be a lot better. That’s a lot, it’s taking two players out Rangers line-up now as Lundkvist is making the team.
Jones is a downgrade but probably more realistic if Chytil is included. Chytil is a year and half younger than Jost, I see a lot more upside with him (obviously feel free to disagree).
Barron vs Jones, is tougher, since I don’t know if San Jose needs an undersized PP quarterback. Jones is a really solid prospect though and Rangers could offer up Matthew Robertson.
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You can flip Strome for more assets to give San Jose but San Jose likely doesn’t need a different UFA center for the UFA center they’re trading.
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Exactly, I'd settle for a guy who could ballpark Strome's numbers but play a better 3 zone game with a little more bite and net presence. I hate to get this thread derailed but PLD, if Winnipeg can't rangle him in is a good option.
But, Strome seems to be very vocal and saying a lot of the right things lately and I'm curious to see what Gallant can extract from him. Of all the players on the team he is publically "buying in" to Coach Gallant. He may redeam himself this season and change so minds. We might get a proffesional growth spurt from him this year.
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Sharks wouldn’t do it with Strome. He has negative value to us. I know to other teams he doesn’t so unless this is a 3 team trade with Strome heading somewhere else for more picks/prospects I’d say no.
Groo
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Again, my entire point was it's a light package and I would easily give up more for Hertl.
Read my other posts in this thread and you'll see I've mentioned Is be happy to give up Byram+ or Newhook+ in the deal.
Barron + Jost + 1st is just a comparable to the Rangers deal here that I think is light. That would also be light from the Avs.
SundherDome
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You still haven't laid out the conditions
.You are just stating possible trade conditions available in the NHL.
Just keep Strome and run him as your 2C
Gecklund
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I value every single piece in the Rangers deal more than that deal. Now depending on the plus to Newhook, that package is worth more but yours isn’t really comparable.
Like Hertl, understand why SJ would want a deal like this, but I would pass.
Rangers need these ELCs since Fox and friends are about to get paid.
Rangers need these ELCs since Fox and friends are about to get paid.
Groo
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Calad
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I would do 2 of those pieces for Hertl, 3 is a lot, if thats the asking price and they wont budge ill cross my fingers and hope he makes it to July 1st or see the other options available
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I’m guessing you and Sakic might differ about the players the Avs would move for Hertl, I don’t see Byram being available.
Newhook certainly would make that package much better (especially since I’m assuming it’s Jones and not Lundkvist with Chytil) most people, myself included, were responding to the players listed though.
And maybe Sakic would include Newhook, it depends on the market for Hertl, which I think will be very good, though the Eichel weirdness is hanging over it. A lot of UFA centermen musical chairs are already filled, Barkov was the other biggie, so Hertl and the Rangers’ guys is it now, outside of few of the old guard (Malkin, Bergeron) who aren’t going anywhere.
One, you're not laying out conditions. These are possible conditions. Two, has anyone of Hertl's caliber been conditioned like what you're vaguely referring to especially the production? When has anyone been conditioned based on points and +/-? Games? Sure but that's typically for those who have missed time AND their caliber of play is questionable. That simply isn't the case with Hertl. It's an unreasonable request to condition on any of those things. Condition on team results if you must but understand that you're putting yourself at a disadvantage in acquiring him by doing so even if there's only two other options.
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I'm not sure how he's a "bust".
He was picked 21, not Top5/10 or anything. And while he hasn't broken out yet and put up any big numbers, the flashes with the skating and skill are there on a game to game basis. I'd say he's actually an intriguing piece among fans of other teams, a lot seem interested in him.
So at least know what youre talking about if you're gonna be an ass
Pure Slaughter Value
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The old “Why trade for him now when we can sign him as a UFA?” has actually happened how often?
Not trading for an extended Hertl at 6 x 7.5 and thinking you’ll get the top available UFA center available in 2022 for less per year and less years tickles me greatly.
Not trading for an extended Hertl at 6 x 7.5 and thinking you’ll get the top available UFA center available in 2022 for less per year and less years tickles me greatly.
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Checked out the Sharks board, how are Sharks fans okay with Lysell+1st for Hertl but then NYR has to offer Filip Chytil+Schneider/Lundkvist+1st round pick?
Also I don’t know why we have to pay a premium for an extended Hertl. I’d rather take him as he is because this is NYR..if we want to sign him to an extension, he’ll sign.
Last thing, Mark Stone extended got Brannstrom+2nd. An extended player doesn’t double his value. Stone was a better player than Hertl at the time of the trade, and Brannstrom/Lundkvist are comparable prospects at the time of the trade.
To think you’re getting
- a center who put up .5 PPG in his 21 year old season with bottom 6 time and no powerplay time
- one of the best defensive prospects in the NHL and an overall top 20 prospect
- and a mid first in what is considered a very deep draft
you’re over projecting. Hertl isn’t getting near that even with an extension
Also I don’t know why we have to pay a premium for an extended Hertl. I’d rather take him as he is because this is NYR..if we want to sign him to an extension, he’ll sign.
Last thing, Mark Stone extended got Brannstrom+2nd. An extended player doesn’t double his value. Stone was a better player than Hertl at the time of the trade, and Brannstrom/Lundkvist are comparable prospects at the time of the trade.
To think you’re getting
- a center who put up .5 PPG in his 21 year old season with bottom 6 time and no powerplay time
- one of the best defensive prospects in the NHL and an overall top 20 prospect
- and a mid first in what is considered a very deep draft
you’re over projecting. Hertl isn’t getting near that even with an extension
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themelkman
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Then you wont get Hertl. Sorry, no one wants Strome so it would probably be best to stop trying to pawn him on every single proposal
You're not worth it.
You are not qualified to judge me --- and others as well.
themelkman
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Gotta realize that we arent in that position right now. Hertl is staying with the sharks atleast until TDL, so any speculation right now is not going to be from a worst case scenario position for us.
It very well could end up that way, but whats the point in discussing it when we have no idea
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