Post-Game Talk: Hellebuyck and the Paper Jets beat leafs 4-3

[hotpaws]

I couldn't watch the game tonight so I come here, read a bit, and think "oh crap, Freddy shat the bed", then go the highlights and it's impossible... impossible... impossible... f*** Rielly
The first 2 goals were the same thing Halibuck (geez, change your name to Smith or something) let in on the 1st goal.
The standards are off the chart and f*** this pk.
They need a goalie stat where a 10-alarm scoring chance has more weight than a 5-alarm scoring chance because that's what those goals were (okay, he looked a little slow on the 4th but again, quit Riellying the puck for freak sake).

i'm happy to see someone else was watching the same game i was , lol

 

[Sniper99]

They’ll trade Vesey and Kerfoot should a decent goalie, Anderson will goto robdias island.

name a goalie that these 2 would get you. Good luck.

 

[likecheese]

i'm happy to see someone else was watching the same game i was , lol

There is literally next to nothing to complain about re. those goals, it's hard to understand.

 

[Steve776]

There is literally next to nothing to complain about re. those goals, it's hard to understand.

Nothing to complain about in regards to the goalie or nothing to complain about period? Because I think things like Matty's karate kick and that botched line change are complaint worthy.

 

[likecheese]

Nothing to complain about in regards to the goalie or nothing to complain about period? Because I think things like Matty's karate kick and that botched line change are complaint worthy.

lol, goaltending-wise of course.
The karate kick and the line change, fortunately we've cut down on that stuff for the most part and it'll happen. The first 3 goals were almost non-stoppable and look at how perfectly they executed the 3-on-2 for the 4th goal (after yet another Rielly-go-round), we get a 2-on-1 and it's a pass right into the skates. Point is, how do you blame Andersen for those goals?

 

[Steve776]

lol, goaltending-wise of course.
The karate kick and the line change, fortunately we've cut down on that stuff for the most part and it'll happen. The first 3 goals were almost non-stoppable and look at how perfectly they executed the 3-on-2 for the 4th goal (after yet another Rielly-go-round), we get a 2-on-1 and it's a pass right into the skates. Point is, how do you blame Andersen for those goals?

I don't blame him for tonight. I didn't think he let in any softies. Although a bit more movement on that 4th goal would have been... nice. I'm more of the opinion that mental errors and giveaways cost us this time. The Jets punished our mistakes hard.

 

[likecheese]

I don't blame him for tonight. I didn't think he let in any softies. Although a bit more movement on that 4th goal would have been... nice. I'm more of the opinion that mental errors and giveaways cost us this time. The Jets punished our mistakes hard.

Hellebuyck was making some ridiculous saves and Andersen looked a little slow on one goal, it is what it is.
I'm convinced he's dealing with a groin strain and laboring on the quick stretches, it's a nasty injury because it could painfully let go at any time, look at what Stamkos has gone through. We've got 2 injured goalies and they have a world-beater. This is where we need that 1B goalie to take a load and we don't have it, what's the point of attacking Andersen? You have to play a solid def. game and ask your goalie to be solid and not spectacular.

 

[Leaftors]

Is the goaltender not part of the team?

I don’t understand this argument - unless it’s from jets fans.
Not only is our forward group better, and more dominant, our defence is much better as well - the defence being the bigger of the two margins. We have a better power play, and a much better penalty kill.

 

[Notsince67]

Another mostly positive performance that results in a loss.

I have been a supporter of Andersen for years, but I'm done. I can't continue to watch good goaltending on one end, bailing out mistake after mistake, then a remotely dangerous chance against us results in a goal.

We will never win a cup with Andersen in net. Look at the teams that have won a stanley cup over the last decade - the goaltending has never looked like this. With his contract coming up, he MUST be traded at the deadline.

It seems the team has lost faith in him also, we look like a completely different team with Andersen in net.

Sums it up nicely

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Just like my buddy said..... fantasy has ruined my fandom.
as a Hellebuyck owner I wasn't upset the Leafs lost lol
Time for them to get back on the winning side.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I don’t understand this argument - unless it’s from jets fans.
Not only is our forward group better, and more dominant, our defence is much better as well - the defence being the bigger of the two margins. We have a better power play, and a much better penalty kill.

How much good did that do the Leafs last night?

Get it now?

 

[Alamo Leafer]

Have the Leafs ever drafted a good netminder?
Can we not learn a thing or two from the Habs in that department fcol?!!

 

[ottomaddox]

Have the Leafs ever drafted a good netminder?
Can we not learn a thing or two from the Habs in that department fcol?!!

Silly question.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It would be nice in the big games if our goalie outplayed theirs for once

 

[ToMaLe]

Have the Leafs ever drafted a good netminder?
Can we not learn a thing or two from the Habs in that department fcol?!!

Yes Tuuka Rask lol

 

[Not My Tempo]

the "context" being we lost so people are pissed

teams go through slumps , did you actually think the Leafs wouldn't ?

If the skaters on the ice were being outchanced night in and night out, that would be a slump, and I was expecting them to go through that.

Our starting goalie, posting a 0.903 SV% 19 games into the season, after a season where he posted a 0.909 isn’t a slump. That’s a decline. That’s alarming stuff to go into the playoffs with. 19 games isn’t a terribly small sample either.

 

[Alamo Leafer]

Yes Tuuka Rask lol

Catch & release doesn't count

 

[Leaftors]

How much good did that do the Leafs last night?

Get it now?

Considering we had 51 scoring chances, and the jets had 20 - of which 24 of ours were high danger and only 6 of theirs were. We did a lot good. I’m still not sure what your argument is. I do understand that you have Jets blinders on though, so I guess it makes sense

 

[Critical13]

Main board are actually telling themselves that the Jets outplayed the Leafs

 

[Critical13]

How much good did that do the Leafs last night?

Get it now?

How much good did it do in one single game in the middle of the season?

The real question is how much good those improvements will do over the entire season and playoffs. So far, we've fared pretty well.

 

[Alerion]

Main board are actually telling themselves that the Jets outplayed the Leafs

A lot of people are incapable of separating the scoreboard from how the teams actually played. The analysts feed into this too, they'll often praise the leading team in the 3rd (not just the Jets, they've done this in favour of the Leafs plenty of times in the past) when it's obvious that they're getting shelled and relying on outstanding goaltending and some good fortune to get by. Getting fortunate or a sky high shooting percentage is "opportunistic scoring" or "taking what's given" and getting stoned by excellent goaltending is "not getting to the dirty areas."

 

[wingman75]

I don't blame him for tonight. I didn't think he let in any softies. Although a bit more movement on that 4th goal would have been... nice. I'm more of the opinion that mental errors and giveaways cost us this time. The Jets punished our mistakes hard.

This was my thinking last night exactly... the egregious mistakes the skaters made created the situations that led to the goals (except the PP goal). Having slept on it though, I think a save had to be made on that 4th one. It wasn't weak as you say, but it was needed and was makeable; considering the flow of the game at that point the team needed a save to keep the game at a 1 goal difference. The others I do not think were makeable by anyone generally speaking, but that 4th one was the back breaker. Credit to the skaters, they kept pushing to the end but the damage was done.

So that loss was a definite team effort for me. Though, we definitely had the 2nd gest goalie of the night... and that is three games in a row. Would be nice for Fred to steal one for us here...

 

[flying v 604]

I see a lot of opinions about goaltending here but very few mention why Dubas hasn't invested much in the way of drafting.
Vancouver has drafted Demko, Dipietro, Silov. Demko being developed internally allowed Benning to play harball with Marky and looks like he's got a chance to be elite. The other 2 are both trending very well with both looking like potential Nucks.
Having cheap goalies on RFA and elcs would certainly help the cap crunch that may very well cost Hyman if Dubas ends up upgrading on whoever is the starter once Cambell is back.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Considering we had 51 scoring chances, and the jets had 20 - of which 24 of ours were high danger and only 6 of theirs were. We did a lot good. I’m still not sure what your argument is. I do understand that you have Jets blinders on though, so I guess it makes sense

Jets blinders? I'm a Leafs fan.

We are done here.

 

[Mess]

This is the first real adversity Leafs have faced this season with a 3 game losing streak.

Lets see how the team attempts to bounce back.

Connor Hellebuyck gave the Jets Vezina trophy worth goaltending yesterday and made some big saves when needed.