Post-Game Talk: Hellebuyck and the Paper Jets beat leafs 4-3
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I don’t usually complain about the Leafs as a team, they are great. And I’m usually not too hard on Andersen. But he isn’t good enough anymore. he’s actually playing horribly. Even when he wins he isn’t exactly stealing games for us. He will do much better somewhere else. We need someone with confidence and fire in their belly, someone like Binnington or Fleury. Someone with a competitive edge. I haven’t seen that with Freddie.
Thank goodness Campbell and Hutch are doing incredibly well this season. They might get the Jennings trophy if they are healthy enough to play the rest of the season.
Thank goodness Campbell and Hutch are doing incredibly well this season. They might get the Jennings trophy if they are healthy enough to play the rest of the season.
Andersen needs to go, run with Campbell full time when he's back. God I wish we had a real starter.
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still trying to figure out which of the goals Peg scored posters believe were soft ?
both goalies let in exactly the same type of goals
-both goalies let in a goal off the rush from piss poor coverage
-both goalies let in a deflection
-both goalies let in a goal from a wide open player 3 feet out from off a beauty set up
the only difference was Freddie let in an extra goal from a sweet foot wedge by Mathews
but hey we lost so lets blame the goalie , lol , guess we can't expect Capt Mumbles to show up and win us a game for 11m per
both goalies let in exactly the same type of goals
-both goalies let in a goal off the rush from piss poor coverage
-both goalies let in a deflection
-both goalies let in a goal from a wide open player 3 feet out from off a beauty set up
the only difference was Freddie let in an extra goal from a sweet foot wedge by Mathews
but hey we lost so lets blame the goalie , lol , guess we can't expect Capt Mumbles to show up and win us a game for 11m per
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I don’t understand why so many people owe Freddy something, in the way of defending him all the time. He’s nothing more than an average goalie who’s gotten worse each year. The numbers don’t lie and he’s on the wrong side of 30.
He’s never delivered in the post season. His predicable and horrific October’s have cost this team home ice multiple years. What are people scared of if Andersen is gone? It’s won’t be hard to find another goalie that barely provides .900 goaltending.
He’s never delivered in the post season. His predicable and horrific October’s have cost this team home ice multiple years. What are people scared of if Andersen is gone? It’s won’t be hard to find another goalie that barely provides .900 goaltending.
I think you are missing the point on why everyone is complaining about our goalie. Also what game are you watching? Our Captain has been busting his ass and did contribute on assisting in Matthews goal. The leafs had 39 shots against the Jets. The Jets had 23 shots. I think everybody on our top 2 lines did show up but they were shooting at a brick wall. Where as our goalie falls asleep and allows goals on way fewer shots. He can’t be relied upon to come up huge like jet’s goalie. So are the leafs expected to score 8-10 goals a night to win and have a 100 shots per night because our goalie can’t stop a beach ball.
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Legit don’t know what argument you’re trying to make. Do you actually think Andersen and Helle had equal performances this game because they allowed similar goals?
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we don't pay JT to just bust his ass , we pay him 11m to tilt the ice and win us games which he isn't doing
and i don't give a damn how many shots we have because even we get outshot the argument changes to "sure we got out shot badly but we still had the better scoring opportunities and the goalie f***ed us"
and i'll say it again , all the goals given up by both goalies were exactly the same so i have no idea why people think Andy played like crap while the Peg goalie goalie stood on us head
but like i said , we lost and people are losing it and it's always easier to blame the goalie
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no i think if both goalies give up almost identical goals i'm not going to argue one stood on his head while the other one was crap
We can agree to disagree then. Andersen’s game has been on the decline. Its not just this game. He breaks under pressure and the team loses momentum. He is the Leaf’s biggest weakness right now. If I had a choice of keeping Tavares or Andersen, I would choose Tavares. At least Tavares competes and he is heating up right now. Andersen doesn’t care and has no emotion or drive to win. We need a goalie who will compete and fire up the team like the Jet’s goalie did tonight.
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...you realize this is you willingly ignoring context right?
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Let's not let Mo off the hook. Another game where he blunders away a key goal against.
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I have zero problem moving on from Andy and upgrading the position , my problem is regardless who we get this fan base will always shit on the goalie since it's much easier to believe that one player cost us than believe that maybe the team in front of him isn't good enough or at least doesn't play good enough to win ,
another issue i have is how everyone thinks it'll be so easy to find an upgrade , this summer the names being tossed around were
Markstrom
Holtby
Lehner
Murray
Greiss
only one of the 5 is having a better season than Andy and not by much while the other 4 are performing worse
there many ways to look at how your goalies perform , one way is to play sloppy hockey like we usually do then blame the goalie
another way is too look at it is how Trots took over a team on LI that bled goals and turned it into one that gives up among the fewest in the league while using multiple goalies who all have good stats Lehner/Greiss/Varly/Sorokin playing behind a very tight defensive team
so basically what i'm saying is GA is a team stat just as much as it is an individual goalie stat
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the "context" being we lost so people are pissed
teams go through slumps , did you actually think the Leafs wouldn't ?
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We have everything for a cup run other than a goalie who can make the clutch save and steal us a game.
I've said it before.
I want to believe in Andersen, but he doesn't make me beleaf.
Those asking Dubas to do something, when can you recall in the last 10 years a goalie was acquired at the deadline to lead a team to victory?
I have never and will never condone signing a goalie to a big contract, so unless Campbell takes the reigns (which he may) Andersen is not resigned, but that doesn't nothing for us now.
Having said that Dubas is outside the box, who knows, but if he watches like we do, it's obvious andersen cannot be relied upon like a cup goalie should be.
So he may pull something out of nowhere and surprise us all.
Anyways. I'm ranting.
Go Leafs Go
I've said it before.
I want to believe in Andersen, but he doesn't make me beleaf.
Those asking Dubas to do something, when can you recall in the last 10 years a goalie was acquired at the deadline to lead a team to victory?
I have never and will never condone signing a goalie to a big contract, so unless Campbell takes the reigns (which he may) Andersen is not resigned, but that doesn't nothing for us now.
Having said that Dubas is outside the box, who knows, but if he watches like we do, it's obvious andersen cannot be relied upon like a cup goalie should be.
So he may pull something out of nowhere and surprise us all.
Anyways. I'm ranting.
Go Leafs Go
I get what you are saying and know where you are coming from. I agree it is a team game. I used to appreciate Andersen and thought he was a great goalie. But I see that he is not what he used to be. The leafs have been playing better defensively this year. Even when the Leafs have been winning I still was not happy with Andersen’s game this year and it is worrisome to me heading into the playoffs. Every time the other team shoots on Andersen from the blue line I get nervous it will be a goal. I have no confidence in him. As for a goalie upgrade. Lehner would have been nice. But he is not available. We could trade for Georgiev, Merz or Ullmark. Those are goalies who play way better than Andersen.
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They will win the next 2 and all will be well again. Its the Leafy thing to do after all
Depends, are we getting good Andersen or bad Andersen?
Because Andersen has a tendency of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory when he's going through a tough patch
The skaters are playing bloody well still it's our goaltending that's gone to ****
Because shock of shocks your #1G sporting a 903% means you lose games you should be winning
Our skaters dominated, Andersen played like crap, we lost
So no, it's not Tavares fault
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which of the goals do you think were soft ? or did they all fall under the ever popular "the goalie has to make a big save sometime" , lol , and just to refresh your memory , both goalies gave up identical goalsThe skaters are playing bloody well still it's our goaltending that's gone to ****
Because shock of shocks your #1G sporting a 903% means you lose games you should be winning
Our skaters dominated, Andersen played like crap, we lost
So no, it's not Tavares fault
and silly me for expecting our 11m dollar Capt to pace better than 24g/70pts which puts him outside of the top 50 in ppg this season
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The Jets have own Rinne over the last few years. Not sure you would want to him
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I couldn't watch the game tonight so I come here, read a bit, and think "oh crap, Freddy shat the bed", then go the highlights and it's impossible... impossible... impossible... f*** Rielly
The first 2 goals were the same thing Halibuck (geez, change your name to Smith or something) let in on the 1st goal.
The standards are off the chart and f*** this pk.
They need a goalie stat where a 10-alarm scoring chance has more weight than a 5-alarm scoring chance because that's what those goals were (okay, he looked a little slow on the 4th but again, quit Riellying the puck for freak sake).
The first 2 goals were the same thing Halibuck (geez, change your name to Smith or something) let in on the 1st goal.
The standards are off the chart and f*** this pk.
They need a goalie stat where a 10-alarm scoring chance has more weight than a 5-alarm scoring chance because that's what those goals were (okay, he looked a little slow on the 4th but again, quit Riellying the puck for freak sake).
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Georgiev hasn't played better and i always worry about goalies who play behind tight defensive teams like Merz , Ulmark is interesting and he's a UFA so maybe Buff would deal him if they think he's not coming back .
but if i'm going to deal for a goalie i want don't want to gamble they can be a starter so i'd inquire if Kuemper was available and pay a reasonably steep price , this is also dependent on how long he's out for
