I mean, Pionk isn’t even Pionk, so anything’s possible.
Player Discussion: Heinola Thread
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I mean, Pionk isn’t even Pionk, so anything’s possible.
kanadalainen
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GaryPoppins
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I think it’s a little early to say what Samberg will or won’t be but I think you’re selling him a little short. Not sure he’ll ever be a top pairing shutdown guy but a middle pairing D is definitely plausible.
I see him having a ceiling of what Dillion currently is. Useful player but still what I'd say is a limited ceiling. Hes at the age where he should be contributing.
I see it from similar point of view. Samberg is clearly adjusting to the speed of the NHL and you can see that by his breakout passing, for example. Even when there isn't any pressure the decision making and confidence is not quite where it should be. Conversely he routinely makes excellent defensive plays using his body and reading the play. So getting reps in and gaining confidence can bringing him to where you are talking about.
The thing I am most curious about is what he can do after he makes those adjustments to his game; he seems to understand his role on the team, but can he adjust to suit a particular defence partner style. Can he offset a partner like Morrissey did with Buff. I think it is those kinds of things that will determine where he lands in the depth chart.
I think Dillon at his ceiling is a huge compliment and if he becomes that we hit it out of the park with that pick.
Steady defensemen who are excellent at defending, physical in the right way, and make sensible exit decisions consistently maybe aren't sexy but they are crucial pieces to a successful team.
Guys like that tend to be effective for a long time, are less injury prone, and don't break the bank contractually.
I how that's what Samberg becomes.
As for Heinola, the reason he isn't sticking right now is he hasn't found a way to bring something that the team needs. If he isn't driving the play up the ice and putting up points, he won't counterbalance his defensive deficiencies.
I know people want to get him a run of games to get there, but this team needs to win now, and with our start and new found depth, you can't be hurting the team while you figure it out.
God forbid one of our offensive d gets hurt, but if that happens, it will be up to Heinola to take that opportunity and prove he's legit.
I still don't see how Heinola becomes an everyday defensemen in the near future for the Jets unless a lot of things go right for him
voyageur
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Is he really almost as good as Jordan Gross?!!!! Colour me impressed.
the OP posted this as a basis of how he calculates it:
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MardyBum
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He's been really great in the AHL, the Moose have missed him badly along with the other guys called up.
Whoops, forgot for a second this was the Heinola thread on the Jets forum where we're supposed to be shitting on him because we got triggered online.
Should probably take the positivity to the mainboard
Shame on you.
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He's been really great in the AHL, the Moose have missed him badly along with the other guys called up.
Whoops, forgot for a second this was the Heinola thread on the Jets forum where we're supposed to be shitting on him because we got triggered online.
Should probably take the positivity to the mainboard
Shame on you
Fans will be fans
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From what I've seen of tinyheiny, he's just not strong and physical enough in the defensive zone to be trusted by the coaches. He'll go the same way Niku did. I don't even know if Niku is a starting defenseman on any team right now? This guy looks to timid in the defensive zone to instill any confidence in me, and the Coaches must feel the same. There are better backups like Declan Chisholm, and Logan Stanley. At least these guys can clear the front of the net.
Howard Chuck
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How big is Makar? I think the same size or smaller?
Not saying that Heinola will be a Makar, but to say that size is the determining factor in making an impact in the NHL.
And I disagree with how he is in the defensive zone. If you watch him carefully he’s very defensively aware and boxes guys out really well. I think he just needs a run of games.
Fair enough, we all have our opinion, but for myself I just don't think he's strong enough or physical enough. He's had his chances, and the Coaches see something they don't like in him. Nice to have a different perspective though.
When you have a smaller defenseman like Makar or others ( Bobby Ore type) and their offensive play significantly supercedes their defence, then your right. Like Pionk and Morrissey are smaller, but they play big, and physical, so their fine at defence. They play big for their size. I'm not sold on Heinola, we'll see what happens with him. I'd be happy to eat crow if I'm wrong.
Howard Chuck
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Funny thing is Heinola plays with a real chip on his shoulder in the AHL. I thought it started coming out the first game he played here this year. He was a mess against Minny but so was almost the entire team so hard to fault him too much for that showing.
I agree with @Howard Chuck that he needs a string of games to get comfortable and whe he does I think he will show us what he's got.
Let's look at another talented player in Perfetti this year. He hasn't been amazing every night and really it's only been the last 3 games where he's really starting to impose himself into games. It takes some time to learn thus league.
I see you guys, and others are very high on Heinola, and hopefully he develops, and becomes the defenseman the Jets were hoping he'd be. Takes longer for defenseman to develop, and so far the Jets have done really well with most of their picks. Lets hope he matures, and becomes a real solid player, and I can eat crow.
As @surixon says, look at how well Perfetti is playing lately, and I agree, and that guy will be a giant star in the NHL in my opinion. You could always see that Cole had the hands, and hockey IQ for the game tho. Haven't seen that in Heinola, but we'll see over time ?
Before anyone blasts me, I'll preface by saying I like Heinola but I think the jets should really be looking to trade him if his value is that of "prospect about to bust out" for a similar forward. Ideally you'd be moving Stanley instead but If you can get a potential 1st line forward prospect you take it. Trouble is I really think Heinola value is not anywhere near as high as we in winnipeg feel it is
Even if you trade Stanley you still don’t have a spot for Heinola as Stanley is the pb guy now.
Well Cole is on another level as a prospect, it was more meant to show that even the upper echelon prospects need an adjustment period. So those expecting high end play right off the batt are going to be disappointed. The NHL is too good of a league.
We didn't get high end play from Logan or Dylan either when they first got in either. Both have had their share of hiccups as they have adapted as well.
Yep but Dylan’s stay at homeness fit the role the team needed.
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You could be 3 ft tall with Makar's skill - really not a comparable.
He has one of the best sticks in the game and his skating is elite - add to that a hockey IQ that is off the charts.
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Comparing a winger‘s defensive responsibilities to a defenseman is not the same thing. If you can’t play reasonable defense as a DEFENSEMEN you’re going to play the whole game in your own end. Right now Heinola plays defense the same way you do in table hockey. Just let them have the boards and hope they turn it over.
