Player Discussion: Heinola Thread

[MardyBum]

i dont know what heinola goes for in a trade. but the difference between the depth charts that lunkvist had over the years vs heinola is pretty stark imo. like you said, unless something happens to the "PP dmen" (morrissey, pionk, schmidt), heinola likely isn't cracking the roster. morrissey obviously not getting moved. schmidt or pionk - doubtful. this was pretty evident 1-1.5 years ago it was gonna play out like this. heinola got pb'd when the d group was weak, now we made trades to get vets in, i don't think he will be a regular anytime soon.

Yeah I agree there isn't really a spot unless they make a move and I have no idea who they move if anyone.

 

[MardyBum]

Agreed, Ville has a lot in his way, but he is a LHD and really if he ever jumped of the page it would be easy enough to put him in over Samberg. I also don't see the Jets trading away any of the vets mid season, so maybe Ville is the one who gets moved. Personally, I think it is a bit early for that, but like all trades it would be dependent on the return.

Yeah I think they kick the can down the road this season, and see what's happening in the offseason with Scheif/PLD/Helle. Either used as a piece to bring in a need or inserted into the lineup as a roster D man is traded for a need.

I just want him back with the Moose now that Demelo is healthy, they need him lol.

 

[voyageur]

Yeah I think they kick the can down the road this season, and see what's happening in the offseason with Scheif/PLD/Helle. Either used as a piece to bring in a need or inserted into the lineup as a roster D man is traded for a need.

I just want him back with the Moose now that Demelo is healthy, they need him lol.

If Barron's coming off IR somebody has to go down. Good chance it's Ville if he's not playing.

 

[voyageur]

I don’t really see a purpose for a Pionk lite that doesn’t have a physical bone in his body on this team.

Jmo can score now and we have pionk as well scoring a bit.

There will be a team that has room for him though and we need a forward.

I feel like the opportunity he just got was the one player on the team he couldn't replace, in De Melo. Wasn't a big fan of Samberg-Heinola as a pairing, I am surprised the coaches went that route, though I can understand wanting to keep the top 4 together for the maximum amount of minutes. I know the Moose tried them together for a brief period and they didn't work too well. I was hoping Heinola would have got a shot with a player he played with in TC like Dillon, might have helped him be a bit more effective out there.

Heinola is the best replacement the Jets have for their top 3 d-men, so I wouldn't deem him expendable yet. It's a little disappointing that he started with so much promise as an 18 year old, and the progression has been slow, but I'm still hoping it pays off for Ville. Not every player matures at the same time. The way he can cut the ice with his vision, there's a lot potential in that kind of player. His skating is NHL calibre. It's the defensive side of the game where he needs maturity still. Still a lot of season ahead for him. I'm hoping Bowness is able to communicate effectively with him to keep him motivated.

 

[TS Quint]

Sure he does. Unless Chevy makes a trade, 5/6 spots are locked down, period. The entire right side is locked down barring an injury. There is no "play great and we'll sit Pionk or Schmidt in the PB for weeks" option. That's not how Chevy or his coaches roll, which is fine.

Lundkvist also wasn't a very clear #4 last year. He was a prospect with the chance to be a top 4 D, just like Ville.

Could get a 1st if there's a GM willing to risk it. Rags getting a 1st for Nils was generally considered great work for a prospect whose relationship soured.

Hopefully there's no need though.

Ville was put in a fight for that spot and lost. I don't think Samberg or Stanley should be an insurmountable mountain to keep him out of the line up. Thats on Ville and it is every day Samberg continues to be just ok.

 

[surixon]

Ville was put in a fight for that spot and lost. I don't think Samberg or Stanley should be an insurmountable mountain to keep him out of the line up. Thats on Ville and it is every day Samberg continues to be just ok.

Samberg plays a different role then Ville. They really aren't competing for the same spot. The org wants a certain amount of offense first guys and a certain amount of defense first guys.

Ville's competition is JoMo, Pionk and Schmidt. It's not the DeMelo's Dillion's and Samberg's of the world.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Samberg plays a different role then Ville. They really aren't competing for the same spot. The org wants a certain amount of offense first guys and a certain amount of defense first guys.

Ville's competition is JoMo, Pionk and Schmidt. It's not the DeMelo's Dillion's and Samberg's of the world.

But now it’s 4 d 1st and 2 offense 1st and one of those is Mo our best 2 way D. So either that’s the ratio they want 4 and 2 or he is competing against Samberg.

 

[surixon]

But now it’s 4 d 1st and 2 offense 1st and one of those is Mo our best 2 way D. So either that’s the ratio they want 4 and 2 or he is competing against Samberg.

Well JoMo has his own Category imo as franchise two-way dmen.

My guess they want 3 d first guys.

Given how little Schmidt is producing you have to wonder how long the org oa planning on keeping him.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Well JoMo has his own Category imo as franchise two-way dmen.

My guess they want 3 d first guys.

Given how little Schmidt is producing you have to wonder how long the org oa planning on keeping him.

But if Schmidt’s lack of production is a problem you can’t exactly trade him.

 

[KingBogo]

With Barron close to coming back, that will give us 14 forwards on the roster, so I'm guessing it will be Ville back to the Moose once we are back in town. Or do they send one of the forwards down and keep Ville around the big team?

 

[surixon]

With Barron close to coming back, that will give us 14 forwards on the roster, so I'm guessing it will be Ville back to the Moose once we are back in town. Or do they send one of the forwards down and keep Ville around the big team?

They are going to send the Moose guys back at some point before their waiver inelegibility runs out. Not sure how long each Ayer has left.

 

[KingBogo]

They are going to send the Moose guys back at some point before their waiver inelegibility runs out. Not sure how long each Ayer has left.

I'm pretty sure Toninato has passed by the window of not needing waivers, not that it matters much. Eyssimont might have already made his case to stay up. Harkins, not sure about.

 

[surixon]

I'm pretty sure Toninato has passed by the window of not needing waivers, not that it matters much. Eyssimont might have already made his case to stay up. Harkins, not sure about.

Yeah my guess is Tononoto gets waived when Barron is back.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah my guess is Tononoto gets waived when Barron is back.

Do you really think they keep Ville up and have 8 defenseman? If he is not playing, I'd rather him back on the Moose. Unless of course DeMelo isn't 100% and they want the insurance.

 

[lomiller1]

Ville was put in a fight for that spot and lost. I don't think Samberg or Stanley should be an insurmountable mountain to keep him out of the line up. Thats on Ville and it is every day Samberg continues to be just ok.

He wasn't competing against them though, and if he was the coaches blew it because he outplayed both of them. Realistically he was competing against Schmidt and Pionk for a puck mover\offensive D-man spot.

 

[TS Quint]

Samberg plays a different role then Ville. They really aren't competing for the same spot. The org wants a certain amount of offense first guys and a certain amount of defense first guys.

Ville's competition is JoMo, Pionk and Schmidt. It's not the DeMelo's Dillion's and Samberg's of the world.

Thats just not true. The org is playing the better player. It's as simple as that.

 

[TS Quint]

He wasn't competing against them though, and if he was the coaches blew it because he outplayed both of them. Realistically he was competing against Schmidt and Pionk for a puck mover\offensive D-man spot.

He 100% was in competition with them and lost. I think Heinola isn't in the line up use he is as weak as a kitten and it's essentially a PK when he is out there and the Jets don't have the puck because he can't turn the puck over.

He needs to look at Morrisey and Pionk and see how strong those guys are in their core and legs. Then see how they are able to battle to get the puck back.

 

[Jet]

Do you really think they keep Ville up and have 8 defenseman? If he is not playing, I'd rather him back on the Moose. Unless of course DeMelo isn't 100% and they want the insurance.

Thats just not true. The org is playing the better player. It's as simple as that.

Heinola is a natural LD so yeah. He was competing against Samberg and lost.

Samberg was more of a net benefit, especially for a team trying to focus on better defensive play.

 

[lomiller1]

Heinola is a natural LD so yeah. He was competing against Samberg and lost.

He outplayed Samberg by a significant margin in preseason. The Jets were always going to put a larger D-man in that spot, which is why they had Heinola playing RD in pre-season.

Samberg was more of a net benefit, especially for a team trying to focus on better defensive play.

Samberg is bigger, but not significantly better defensively. For Samberg to take the next step and actually become a good defender he needs to play against NHL competition. He's in much the same boat as Heinola in that regard. If this team really cared about development, both would be in the lineup regularly.

 

[LowLefty]

If this team really cared about development, both would be in the lineup regularly.

They also really care about winning -
So the best player gets played -

 

[surixon]

He 100% was in competition with them and lost. I think Heinola isn't in the line up use he is as weak as a kitten and it's essentially a PK when he is out there and the Jets don't have the puck because he can't turn the puck over.

He needs to look at Morrisey and Pionk and see how strong those guys are in their core and legs. Then see how they are able to battle to get the puck back.

You don't have to take my word for it but the coach came out and said the same thing when he was cut from camp. He said they didn't have a pp role open for him.

 

[lomiller1]

So the best player gets played -

In preseason Heinola was the best among these three...

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Samberg looks calmer when he plays. He knows his role. Defensively responsible.

Heinola will be a good d man somewhere but he won't be great. Looks more unsure when he plays. Would say work on your D game more. With pionk and Schmidt here, heinola is best on the Moose still.

 

[Jack7222]

In preseason Heinola was the best among these three...

It's preseason though...

Did you watch the last two games Heinola was in for? He was pretty brutal and Samberg has been playing well.

I have hope for Heinola still but in no sense does he seem more deserving than Samberg imo

 

[LowLefty]

In preseason Heinola was the best among these three...

Maybe, but it's not preseason and he's not the best player at this point - so the Jets will do what is best for the team. I hope Ville gets more opportunity - but he is not going to shuffle in unless he's better than those playing.