Player Discussion: Heinola Thread

[WolfHouse]

Borje Salming was 22 in his rookie season... just sayin'

 

[Jet]

Borje Salming was 22 in his rookie season... just sayin'

He was definitely being held back

 

[lomiller1]

Borje Salming was 22 in his rookie season... just sayin'

At a time when you had to be 20 to play in the NHL, He also wasn't sent to the AHL

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Time to play or trade him.

 

[Teemusalami204]

I don’t really see a purpose for a Pionk lite that doesn’t have a physical bone in his body on this team.

Jmo can score now and we have pionk as well scoring a bit.

There will be a team that has room for him though and we need a forward.

 

[ffh]

Time to play or trade him.

Never heard that before about players on their elc’s

 

[Jet]

I'm not liking how Heinola is trending. Considering our current prospect and roster makeup I would be very surprised if Heinola is not traded.

I think the Jets continuing to win will allow Chevy to only make a deal if it's good for the Jets but I can certainly see Ville as the main piece going the other way.

 

[surixon]

His path to the roster is taking Schmidts spot but imo that isn't likely this year or maybe even next if the cap goes up as its expected to. Last night the Jets iced their ideal configuration with an offensive guy and a defensive guy on each pairing.

I thought he played well in his first game but like many on the team crapped the bed against Minny. In terms of roles there isn't really an obvious spot for him to grab and like some I wouldn't be all that surprised if he's dealt for a good forward at some point.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

His path to the roster is taking Schmidts spot but imo that isn't likely this year or maybe even next if the cap goes up as its expected to. Last night the Jets iced their ideal configuration with an offensive guy and a defensive guy on each pairing.

I thought he played well in his first game but like many on the team crapped the bed against Minny. In terms of roles there isn't really an obvious spot for him to grab and like some I wouldn't be all that surprised if he's dealt for a good forward at some point.

Or as trade bait for a similar upside forward player being blocked for a top 9 role on some other team

 

[KingBogo]

Or as trade bait for a similar upside forward player being blocked for a top 9 role on some other team

I'm not sure I like the idea of trading Ville, but this seems the most likely if we do trade him. I don't think he can get you a good roster player, unless of course we were taking on a bad contract.

 

[surixon]

I'm not sure I like the idea of trading Ville, but this seems the most likely if we do trade him. I don't think he can get you a good roster player, unless of course we were taking on a bad contract.

You could package him with something I'm thinking to get that piece.

 

[KingBogo]

You could package him with something I'm thinking to get that piece.

What kind of package were you thinking? I'd really like to keep the 2023 1st off the table.

 

[surixon]

What kind of package were you thinking? I'd really like to keep the 2023 1st off the table.

Haven't given it much thought. I guess it depends on who is coming back the other way. I also am not too keen on a 2023 first going back but if we are clearly on a playoff spot later in the year then I could stomach a 2023 1st if it's going to be in the 20 plus range if it is for a long term fit. We will get a 1st pick back if we elect to move a Dubois in the summer anyhow

 

[KingBogo]

Haven't given it much thought. I guess it depends on who is coming back the other way. I also am not too keen on a 2023 first going back but if we are clearly on a playoff spot later in the year then I could stomach a 2023 1st if it's going to be in the 20 plus range if it is for a long term fit. We will get a 1st pick back if we elect to move a Dubois in the summer anyhow

Good point about the possibility of recouping the 1st. I have a hard time putting a value on Ville, as like most fans I tend to overrate our own prospects. If I think of the Jets acquiring a similar player I don't think I'd want Chevy to give up too much. That's why I kind of think that any deal will be for a similar level prospect that is struggling getting a foot hold into a NHL lineup.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Good point about the possibility of recouping the 1st. I have a hard time putting a value on Ville, as like most fans I tend to overrate our own prospects. If I think of the Jets acquiring a similar player I don't think I'd want Chevy to give up too much. That's why I kind of think that any deal will be for a similar level prospect that is struggling getting a foot hold into a NHL lineup.

Lubdkvist who couldn’t get into a lineup got a 1+

 

[KingBogo]

Lubdkvist who couldn’t get into a lineup got a 1+

Getting into the Rangers lineup is a bit different than ours. Also, Lundkvist had a couple nice seasons in the SHL behind him. The return was a top 10 protected 1st and a conditional 4th. So basically, a move to recoup original draft position with a little sweetener for development time.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Getting into the Rangers lineup is a bit different than ours. Also, Lundkvist had a couple nice seasons in the SHL behind him. The return was a top 10 protected 1st and a conditional 4th. So basically, a move to recoup original draft position with a little sweetener for development time.

Why is it different? Is there record so much better than ours? Didn’t Heinola have a couple good seasons in the liiga?

 

[KingBogo]

Why is it different? Is there record so much better than ours? Didn’t Heinola have a couple good seasons in the liiga?

They have Fox, Trouba and Schneider down the right side. That is near impossible to break through for any young defenseman. Saying that I liked your premise of basically trying to recoup draft position, especially in a deep draft.

 

[Adam da bomb]

They have Fox, Trouba and Schneider down the right side. That is near impossible to break through for any young defenseman. Saying that I liked your premise of basically trying to recoup draft position, especially in a deep draft.

Then why isn’t their record a lot better.

 

[KingBogo]

Then why isn’t there record a lot better.

What does this have to do with anything? They have a Norris trophy player (Fox), a very good vet (Trouba) and a top young RHD in Schneider. Lundkvist was a very clear #4 on the right. Maybe he could have moved to the left, but that right side is locked in stone. Ville doesn't have nearly as deep of blockade to get through.

 

[MardyBum]

What does this have to do with anything? They have a Norris trophy player (Fox), a very good vet (Trouba) and a top young RHD in Schneider. Lundkvist was a very clear #4 on the right. Maybe he could have moved to the left, but that right side is locked in stone. Ville doesn't have nearly as deep of blockade to get through.

Sure he does. Unless Chevy makes a trade, 5/6 spots are locked down, period. The entire right side is locked down barring an injury. There is no "play great and we'll sit Pionk or Schmidt in the PB for weeks" option. That's not how Chevy or his coaches roll, which is fine.

Lundkvist also wasn't a very clear #4 last year. He was a prospect with the chance to be a top 4 D, just like Ville.

Could get a 1st if there's a GM willing to risk it. Rags getting a 1st for Nils was generally considered great work for a prospect whose relationship soured.

Hopefully there's no need though.

 

[KingBogo]

Sure he does. Unless Chevy makes a trade, 5/6 spots are locked down, period. The entire right side is locked down barring an injury. There is no "play great and we'll sit Pionk or Schmidt in the PB for weeks" option. That's not how Chevy or his coaches roll, which is fine.

Lundkvist also wasn't a very clear #4 last year. He was a prospect with the chance to be a top 4 D, just like Ville.

Could get a 1st if there's a GM willing to risk it. Rags getting a 1st for Nils was generally considered great work for a prospect who's relationship soured.

Hopefully there's no need though.

Agreed, Ville has a lot in his way, but he is a LHD and really if he ever jumped of the page it would be easy enough to put him in over Samberg. I also don't see the Jets trading away any of the vets mid season, so maybe Ville is the one who gets moved. Personally, I think it is a bit early for that, but like all trades it would be dependent on the return.

 

[DRW204]

Sure he does. Unless Chevy makes a trade, 5/6 spots are locked down, period. The entire right side is locked down barring an injury. There is no "play great and we'll sit Pionk or Schmidt in the PB for weeks" option. That's not how Chevy or his coaches roll, which is fine.

Lundkvist also wasn't a very clear #4 last year. He was a prospect with the chance to be a top 4 D, just like Ville.

Could get a 1st if there's a GM willing to risk it. Rags getting a 1st for Nils was generally considered great work for a prospect who's relationship soured.

Hopefully there's no need though.

i dont know what heinola goes for in a trade. but the difference between the depth charts that lunkvist had over the years vs heinola is pretty stark imo. like you said, unless something happens to the "PP dmen" (morrissey, pionk, schmidt), heinola likely isn't cracking the roster. morrissey obviously not getting moved. schmidt or pionk - doubtful. this was pretty evident 1-1.5 years ago it was gonna play out like this. heinola got pb'd when the d group was weak, now we made trades to get vets in, i don't think he will be a regular anytime soon.

 

[GNP]

I say trade Tiny Heiny, as he's not physical or strong enough to be an NHL calibre defenseman. He doesn't clear players in front of the net, and reluctant to go into the corners where it gets pretty rough. He's very much like a Niku type player, and I can see why Maurice and Bowness don't want to play him. Get rid of him, if we can get someone decent for him.

The only exception to this would be if his talent far supersedes his lack of physical play, which I don't see in Heinola. He's not going to cut it. Just my opinion.

 

[DRW204]

I say trade Tiny Heiny, as he's not physical or strong enough to be an NHL calibre defenseman. He doesn't clear players in front of the net, and reluctant to go into the corners where it gets pretty rough. He's very much like a Niku type player, and I can see why Maurice and Bowness don't want to play him. Get rid of him, if we can get someone decent for him.

The only exception to this would be if his talent far supersedes his lack of physical play, which I don't see in Heinola. He's not going to cut it. Just my opinion.

so he's not talented enough, not physical enough, no coaches want him. but expect to get something decent for him? players like that go for guys you need to hockey DB to see if their real.