Hawks of Yesteryear Part II - Madden AHL 17

[JaegerDice]

TT is to soft for the playoffs. Glad we moved on from him.

TT was arguably our best, most impactful forward in the 2015 SCF and was great against the Ducks as well.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

The Ladd trade only would have made sense if we simultaneously reinforced the top-4. One but not both wasn't going to be enough for last year's team.

IIRC Bowman tried to get Hamhuis but Benning wouldn't pull the trigger. The Canucks ended up keeping him and then he left in free agency... Oops.

 

[JaegerDice]

IIRC Bowman tried to get Hamhuis but Benning wouldn't pull the trigger. The Canucks ended up keeping him and then he left in free agency... Oops.

That's true, though we don't know exactly what the Blackhawks offered when they swung back around to the Canucks after making the Ladd trade.

Benning is an idiot because anything is better than nothing, but I'd have rather spent the 1st on Hamhuis than Ladd, and kept Dano.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Yea I'd do that Ladd trade again if given the chance. Hell, if it was Eriksson instead, then Dano's bags still would've been packed. That Weise trade was awful. Hated it then as well. Danault would have been more than fine in Kruger's role. But I've let my feelings be known on how overrated Kruger is by some Hawks fans as well.

Would he have? I'm not so sure. And considering he isn't even playing Center..

 

[Hawkaholic]

TT was arguably our best, most impactful forward in the 2015 SCF and was great against the Ducks as well.

Completely disagree.

 

[Gooner]

Completely disagree.

Well it's hard to argue that he was one of our best forwards against Tampa. Our Top 6 and theirs neutralized each other, obligatory clutch Kane goal in the final game aside, and we won that series by virtue of an unreal Keith performance and our third line feasting on their bottom 6. I'd personally argue that Vermette was actually our best forward in the SCF, but TT wasn't far behind.

 

[JaegerDice]

Well it's hard to argue that he was one of our best forwards against Tampa. Our Top 6 and theirs neutralized each other, obligatory clutch Kane goal in the final game aside, and we won that series by virtue of an unreal Keith performance and our third line feasting on their bottom 6. I'd personally argue that Vermette was actually our best forward in the SCF, but TT wasn't far behind.

Id go one better and say that Keith's excellent performance was equaled and balanced by Hedman's excellent performance that series, so the teams were a wash in that regard as well.

It really was a matter of the bottom 6 winning that series. For my money, TT performed the best of any player in the bottom 6.

 

[Gooner]

Id go one better and say that Keith's excellent performance was equaled and balanced by Hedman's excellent performance that series, so the teams were a wash in that regard as well.

It really was a matter of the bottom 6 winning that series. For my money, TT performed the best of any player in the bottom 6.

I think Keith won that battle by the smallest of margins, I mean he did score the Cup winning goal, but you're not wrong actually. Hedman was ****ing amazing as well, and for my money he's one of the very best defensemen in the league in general.

TT certainly has an argument. It's a shame he didn't really build on that series, but then again, Q never did give him an extended look in the Top 6. Who knows if he could have adapted to playing LW or taken Hossa's place on Toews' wing eventually. Right now though we have a couple of exciting rookies coming through, and while I wish TT all the best, I doubt we'll have too many regrets about him.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Id go one better and say that Keith's excellent performance was equaled and balanced by Hedman's excellent performance that series, so the teams were a wash in that regard as well.

It really was a matter of the bottom 6 winning that series. For my money, TT performed the best of any player in the bottom 6.

Agreed. How Hedman neutralized Kane that series was very, very impressive.

I won't give credit to any single player for why we won that cup. The 3rd line of Sharp-Vermette-TT, i.e. forward depth, played as big a role as any however and you can look at any of the Hawks playoff eliminations and notice the corresponding lack of depth associated with it.

 

[Hawkaholic]

The third line as a whole is why we won that series. I would say Sharp and Vermette were much bigger factors than TT in that series though. Also our 4th line was pretty damn impressive too considering the match-ups they took on.

 

[clydesdale line]

The third line as a whole is why we won that series. I would say Sharp and Vermette were much bigger factors than TT in that series though. Also our 4th line was pretty damn impressive too considering the match-ups they took on.

You are really selling TT short. Sharp over TT? C'mon.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Another pointless night for Ladd who continues to struggle

16 GP
2 G
1 A
-3

 

[JaegerDice]

I love Sharpie, but he was pretty clearly one of our least effective players throughout the 2015 run, not one of our most impactful.

That said, if he wants to come back on a Campbell deal next season, I'd be fine with that.

 

[DPHawk]

I love Sharpie, but he was pretty clearly one of our least effective players throughout the 2015 run, not one of our most impactful.

That said, if he wants to come back on a Campbell deal next season, I'd be fine with that.

Yeah, not true. Among forwards, 4th in points, 4th in goals, 3rd in SOG, all while playing (mostly) on the 3rd line and shooting 7.8%. They only forwards more effective throughout the playoffs were Kane, Toews, Hossa, and Saad. He wasn't as good as TT in the Finals but he was clearly one of our 6 best forwards over the four rounds.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You are really selling TT short. Sharp over TT? C'mon.

Sharp was the better player, no doubt in my mind. Him and Vermette made the time and space that TT was able to get.

Yeah, not true. Among forwards, 4th in points, 4th in goals, 3rd in SOG, all while playing (mostly) on the 3rd line and shooting 7.8%. They only forwards more effective throughout the playoffs were Kane, Toews, Hossa, and Saad. He wasn't as good as TT in the Finals but he was clearly one of our 6 best forwards over the four rounds.

He was as good (better), at least in my eyes. As was Vermette. Those 2 made it possible for TT to look better than he actually was. I also have a hard time giving a player "best forward of the SCF" when he averaged 12 mins a game. That just isn't enough ice time to establish himself as that, especially against the more weaker competition. I don't care if the top players cancelled themselves out from each team, that makes those players more valuable than TT in itself.

Either way, it doesn't really matter, that was the only time TT actually looked like a top 6 forward in his NHL time.

 

[JaegerDice]

Teuvo has gone into god mode tonight against the Sharks. He's had 6 shots on goal and has been far away the best Hurricane on the ice.

Amazing what consistent top 6 time with steady linemates can do for a guy.

 

[MTP]

Teuvo has gone into god mode tonight against the Sharks. He's had 6 shots on goal and has been far away the best Hurricane on the ice.

Amazing what consistent top 6 time with steady linemates can do for a guy.

God mode might be a bit of an exaggeration, he had 0 points.

 

[JaegerDice]

God mode might be a bit of an exaggeration, he had 0 points.

It's hockey. You can play an amazing game and get no points, you can play like **** and end up with points on the board. When goal scoring is as luck based as it is (sh% and Osh% is a fickle mistress), output towards the net is a far better representative of quality of play.

 

[Hawkaholic]

It's hockey. You can play an amazing game and get no points, you can play like **** and end up with points on the board. When goal scoring is as luck based as it is (sh% and Osh% is a fickle mistress), output towards the net is a far better representative of quality of play.

Unless the majority of those shots are from the perimeter.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Per Friedman

7. Speaking of forwards, very curious to see where things go with Columbus and Brandon Saad. He’s fifth on the Blue Jackets in scoring, fifth in time-on-ice among forwards. But he was almost a healthy scratch last week and, somewhere, the team wants to ease its cap crunch. Chicago investigated it last season, but couldn’t make things work. He’s 24 years old and has a lot to give.

So Stanley realizing how badly he screwed up and how badly team missed Saad tried to get him back

Its a damn shame Stanley screwed it up so badly in first place

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Keep beating that drum. I also like how you take a brief piece about Columbus being underwhelmed with Saad at his cap hit and turn that into your usual gymnastics.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Per Friedman



So Stanley realizing how badly he screwed up and how badly team missed Saad tried to get him back

Its a damn shame Stanley screwed it up so badly in first place

How did Stan screw it up, if you don't mind? Considering Saad was NEVER going to fit when he wanted 6m+/year.

If Saad wanted to stay, then it should have been some kind of bridge deal in the 4-5m range. I don't blame Stan for having to cut his losses because Saad wanted too much money.

And I don't blame Saad for wanting more money, when you never know when your career may end.

****** situation, but no one's fault, really.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Its a damn shame Stanley screwed it up so badly in first place

Actually it's not. Anisimov has been great.

 

[JaegerDice]

Per Friedman



So Stanley realizing how badly he screwed up and how badly team missed Saad tried to get him back

Its a damn shame Stanley screwed it up so badly in first place

Stan screwed up because the team that agreed to pay Saad 6 million per year isn't happy with his performance?

Ok....

Seems to me Stan accurately assessed his value at 4.5 or so, while Columbus was overly eager to overpay.

 

[BK]

Keep beating that drum. I also like how you take a brief piece about Columbus being underwhelmed with Saad at his cap hit and turn that into your usual gymnastics.

How did Stan screw it up, if you don't mind? Considering Saad was NEVER going to fit when he wanted 6m+/year.

If Saad wanted to stay, then it should have been some kind of bridge deal in the 4-5m range. I don't blame Stan for having to cut his losses because Saad wanted too much money.

And I don't blame Saad for wanting more money, when you never know when your career may end.

****** situation, but no one's fault, really.

Actually it's not. Anisimov has been great.

Stan screwed up because the team that agreed to pay Saad 6 million per year isn't happy with his performance?

Ok....

Seems to me Stan accurately assessed his value at 4.5 or so, while Columbus was overly eager to overpay.

The amount of logic BWC lacks is amazing and this is just another example.

Saad is a really good hockey player and no one argues that but he is not worth 6 million dollars to the Hawks. AA is currently out performing Saad for 1.5 million less. This will even out over time but if AA continues to be close to as effective as he is now he is worth more to the Hawks.

AA is a legit 2C.