Has Cale Makar already surpassed a prime Erik Karlsson in just his first 4 years?
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Stephen
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Wouldn’t your point make the case that great players on great teams winning is no automatic and shouldn’t be down rated then?
GirardSpinorama
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What more is Makar suppose to do in only his first 3 seasons. I mean if we're talking about comparing to Orr or Lidstrom, sure. But we're not. Karlsson's career is not worthy of that much mysticism.
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It’s the number of great players. Tampa and Colorado have both had a lot of solid players throughout the lineup and weren’t just top-heavy or one-dimensional.
Sure, Karlsson played with some greats in Ottawa, but none of their teams were ever nearly as deep as these two finalists were,
Dominate at a level Karlsson did for as long as he did. EK wasn’t great for just 3 years.
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No he was never the best player in the world.
Maybe you responded to the wrong comment. The premise of the argument I responded to was that one player won the cup and the other one didnt.
Is Lehkonen better than McDavid because he won the cup? You can argue Makar is better than EK but not by just saying "because he won the cup" and nothing else.
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It's debatable, but I'd take Makar. Erik Karlsson's last great year was at age 26. I think Makar will have blown Karlsson out of the water three years from now.
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Stephen
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Do you see an accomplishment gap as wide as McDavid and Lehkonen between Makar and Karlsson, aside from the championship, that would make this comparison relevant?
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I mean you are asking Makar to do the impossible since he's only been in the league for 3 years yet excuse Karlsson just because his team isn't as good.
Disappointing to expectations maybe but a 6-3-4-7 minus 4 27 MPG line certainly isn't disappointing in context.
The most impressive thing a player can do is be really good on a mediocre team.
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The most impressive thing a player can do is be the best player on a top team and lead them to success
By the line only no, but watching it wasn't a good performance and also misleading. IE the two assists in the 6-2 drubbing were merely just empty passes in an already blow out. The only game I found him to be dominant really was the game 6 loss. It's also hard to condone going -4 in a series where you outscored the opposition by 5.
It's not an excuse, but it's definitely something that needs to be taken into consideration.
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I think it’s rather impossible to try and compare these two at these stages of their careers, yes. Especially not knowing Makar’s future yet. Cheechoo averaged over 40 goals a year during a 3 year stretch that started at the end of the dead puck era, then he got hurt and never played well again for various health reasons. Makar hasn’t sustained his level of play long enough to be compared to prime Karlsson yet. Add the fact it isn’t fair to Karlsson since most here are likely judging him based on the last few years of recently versus his actual prime. Karlsson did out score him when they beat the Avs a few years ago in 7, but no one remembers now lol.
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When you bring up an absurdly inappropriate comparison like Lekhonen and McDavid as an analogy for Karlsson and Makar, it’s very difficult not to react with incredulity.
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I used Lehkonen and McDavid to show you how absurd it is to use "player X won the cup, the other one didn't" as the ONLY argument for who's better.
I'm not sure if you're misinterpreting everything on purpose
. Makar winning the cup is definitely a plus, but it's not like he would've automatically been a worse player if he hadn't won it yet.This has been fun.
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I used Lehkonen and McDavid to show you how absurd it is to use "player X won the cup, the other one didn't" as the ONLY argument for who's better.
I'm not sure if you're misinterpreting everything on purpose
This has been fun.
Well, if Makar is already better than Karlsson in non cup winning ways and also has a cup win under his belt, your extreme example isn't going to be very helpful, is it?
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Dumbest thing ever. But I guess that’s one of the best arguments you can make to try and say EK was better.
I'm not stating an opinion on who's better. I feel like if I said regular balloons can be yellow you would be like "so you're saying water balloons can't be red!?" that's absurd!"
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He also played against a lot of shit! He was one of the leagues best players ever in a league full of alot less talent.
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