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Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack/Bloomington Bison Thread: Part XV

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1-1 after 1. Hartford at Laval. Believe the Wolf Pack still has to kill off 30 seconds of a 5 minute major penalty given to Matt Rempe for a hit-to-the -head.
Neither referee made a call and waited 15 seconds to stop play for the Laval player who was down on the ice. The player skated off with some assistance and as soon as he got to the runway he trotted off. Have no idea why they decided to make the call and eject Rempe after so much time passed.
 
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Laval’s goalie Dobes once again pushes the net off its mooring. Three times now in the last two games.
These referees are brutally bad.
Laval 4-1 after 2 periods.
Lindbom is shaky.
Also the Laval player who left the ice after the Rempe hit was back on the ice to start the 2nd period.
 
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Laval 5 Hartford 1 Final.
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Team was playing well until Rempe got tossed then the wheels fell off.
Lindbom, not very good.
Robertson, not very good.
PP all perimeter play.
 
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Lindbom is not only no longer a serious NHL prospect, it’s unclear if he’ll even be good enough to make a white collar wage playing the sport in any country.

Antoine Lafleur all over again
 
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I didn't watch the game but have gone back and looked at the goals. Lots of defensive mistakes.

Laval #1: Korczak fails to clear the puck. Laval able to keep the puck in the Hartford end. Laval gets a shot from the point with lots of traffic in front. The puck hits the far post but Korczak fails to cover his man who puts in the rebound. Not sure I blame that one on Lindbolm although AHL TV gives a very limited shot so hard to see what Lindbolm sees.

Laval #2: On the PP Othmann makes a nice pass to Edstrom who breaks in but is stopped. Laval looks like it has a 2-1 but Edstrom gets back to even things up. But Robertson still plays like it's a 2-1 giving the Laval winger room to shoot and the shot beats Lindbolm. Looks like the shot hits the inside post and goes in. Would like to have seen Robertson not give the Laval winger that much room. Again because of the limited angle it's hard to tell if Lindbolm makes a mistake but a shot hitting the inside post would be a hard one to stop.

Laval #3: When I first saw this I thought Scanlin was out of position. But taking a more careful look the problem is that Mackay makes a long pass to Othmann at the Laval blue line that he is unable to corral. Laval turns the puck back quickly but things are OK except that Berard who is trying to catch up to Othmann skates to the bench for the long change leaving his replacement way out of the play and the Pack with the two defensemen back to deal with the three Laval wingers. Scanlin and Mackay are too spread apart leaving the Laval center to come in. Mackay tries to take him but he passes to the left wing who walks in alone on Lindbolm.

Laval #4: Coaches leave the first PPP out for the full two minutes. As the penalty is winding down Othmann attempts a cross ice pass from near the goal line that is blocked and when the Laval player comes out of the box he gathers in the puck and passes it so Laval now has a 2-1. Broulliard dives to try and stop a pass and fails. Lindbolm gets across the crease but the Laval player is able to tap to tap the puck just underneath the cross bar and the puck falls in.

Laval #5: On the PP Laval wins the draw and gets the puck back to the point where a Laval forward redirects the puck in.

I don't think the players will be happy when they look at those goals. Too many mental mistakes. The team didn't give Lindbolm much of a chance. Looks like the Rangers organization had a bad day, one of the first all year.
 
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Ranger Ric said:
I didn't watch the game but have gone back and looked at the goals. Lots of defensive mistakes.

Laval #1: Korczak fails to clear the puck. Laval able to keep the puck in the Hartford end. Laval gets a shot from the point with lots of traffic in front. The puck hits the far post but Korczak fails to cover his man who puts in the rebound. Not sure I blame that one on Lindbolm although AHL TV gives a very limited shot so hard to see what Lindbolm sees.

Laval #2: On the PP Othmann makes a nice pass to Edstrom who breaks in but is stopped. Laval looks like it has a 2-1 but Edstrom gets back to even things up. But Robertson still plays like it's a 2-1 giving the Laval winger room to shoot and the shot beats Lindbolm. Looks like the shot hits the inside post and goes in. Would like to have seen Robertson not give the Laval winger that much room. Again because of the limited angle it's hard to tell if Lindbolm makes a mistake but a shot hitting the inside post would be a hard one to stop.

Laval #3: When I first saw this I thought Scanlin was out of position. But taking a more careful look the problem is that Mackay makes a long pass to Othmann at the Laval blue line that he is unable to corral. Laval turns the puck back quickly but things are OK except that Berard who is trying to catch up to Othmann skates to the bench for the long change leaving his replacement way out of the play and the Pack with the two defensemen back to deal with the three Laval wingers. Scanlin and Mackay are too spread apart leaving the Laval center to come in. Mackay tries to take him but he passes to the left wing who walks in alone on Lindbolm.

Laval #4: Coaches leave the first PPP out for the full two minutes. As the penalty is winding down Othmann attempts a cross ice pass from near the goal line that is blocked and when the Laval player comes out of the box he gathers in the puck and passes it so Laval now has a 2-1. Broulliard dives to try and stop a pass and fails. Lindbolm gets across the crease but the Laval player is able to tap to tap the puck just underneath the cross bar and the puck falls in.

Laval #5: On the PP Laval wins the draw and gets the puck back to the point where a Laval forward redirects the puck in.

I don't think the players will be happy when they look at those goals. Too many mental mistakes. The team didn't give Lindbolm much of a chance. Looks like the Rangers organization had a bad day, one of the first all year.
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I listened to the radio feed. It did not sound to me that the issue was Lindbom so much as the Hartford defense was making too many mental mistakes.......and there came a point where the Pack were forcing plays and it just became so much easier for Laval to break up their plays. It's typical what happens when a team is chasing a game and it's what happened to the Rangers last night too.

FWIW I haven't seen enough from Lindbom that would lead me to think that re-signing him to another deal would be worth our while. That said our fan base typical of most fan bases like to land on a player they're not happy with or don't like and start pointing all the blame at him when things don't go the way they want them too. Can a goalie blow a game all on his own? Yeah, it happens but what happens even more is when a team plays like crap in front of a goalie and they lose that way. My impression from last night is the loss happened because of an overall effort and consider Brodzinski and Nash with the Rangers is a lot of offense missing from the Pack.
 
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eco's bones said:
I listened to the radio feed. It did not sound to me that the issue was Lindbom so much as the Hartford defense was making too many mental mistakes.......and there came a point where the Pack were forcing plays and it just became so much easier for Laval to break up their plays. It's typical what happens when a team is chasing a game and it's what happened to the Rangers last night too.

FWIW I haven't seen enough from Lindbom that would lead me to think that re-signing him to another deal would be worth our while. That said our fan base typical of most fan bases like to land on a player they're not happy with or don't like and start pointing all the blame at him when things don't go the way they want them too. Can a goalie blow a game all on his own? Yeah, it happens but what happens even more is when a team plays like crap in front of a goalie and they lose that way. My impression from last night is the loss happened because of an overall effort and consider Brodzinski and Nash with the Rangers is a lot of offense missing from the Pack.
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I agree. I can't make a judgement on Lindbolm not having watched the game and not having very good camera angles on AHLTV. But at the same time the team put him in several bad positions on the goals he gave up. I also wanted to make the point that while I'm excited about some of the kids they still are making lots of mistakes. As they play some of them will figure it out and the mistakes will disappear. But they need time in the AHL to work on those aspects rather than rushing them up to the NHL when they're not ready for the big show. Not having Nash and Brodzinski are big losses.
 
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I watched the majority of both games against Laval and the few observations I can make are the following:

-Belzile is miles better than any forward we have in Hartford, played on top line (with Othmann & Berard), PP & PK. Yeah I know he's a veteran, but should probably been called up ahead of Nash...

-Berard is our best skater by a mile, fast and has good edges, reminds me of Hagelin

-Othmann has a pro shot, but needs to get it on net more often, especially on the PP. He's set up similar to Mika on the NYR PP, but on the other side. However, he isn't very noticeable at even strength, needs to be more aggressive and skate more/better. Needs more time in the AHL, not ready for the NHL in my opinion...

-Edstrom is surprisingly fast and mobile for a 6'8" frame, as well as being aggressive on the forcheck. Definitiley has NHL potential in the bottom six

-Rempe is a player that I love because he uses his skills to his advantage. He's also huge and skates well, but hits and keeps moving his feet. Very good option to get 4th line minutes against specific teams at the NHL level. (BTW, he got a major and game misconduct yesterday for a legal, monster hit, joke of a call)

-All our D are pretty mobile, but man the brain cramps are ridiculous, I see why none will ever be NHL regulars...

-Domingue is an AHL all star, Lindbom didn't make any key saves, but wasn't horrendous either, very blah, terrible for a second round pick...

These are my observation on the last 2 games against Laval, I haven't watched much of Hartford other games.
 
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Graves94 said:
I watched the majority of both games against Laval and the few observations I can make are the following:

-Belzile is miles better than any forward we have in Hartford, played on top line (with Othmann & Berard), PP & PK. Yeah I know he's a veteran, but should probably been called up ahead of Nash...

-Berard is our best skater by a mile, fast and has good edges, reminds me of Hagelin

-Othmann has a pro shot, but needs to get it on net more often, especially on the PP. He's set up similar to Mika on the NYR PP, but on the other side. However, he isn't very noticeable at even strength, needs to be more aggressive and skate more/better. Needs more time in the AHL, not ready for the NHL in my opinion...

-Edstrom is surprisingly fast and mobile for a 6'8" frame, as well as being aggressive on the forcheck. Definitiley has NHL potential in the bottom six

-Rempe is a player that I love because he uses his skills to his advantage. He's also huge and skates well, but hits and keeps moving his feet. Very good option to get 4th line minutes against specific teams at the NHL level. (BTW, he got a major and game misconduct yesterday for a legal, monster hit, joke of a call)

-All our D are pretty mobile, but man the brain cramps are ridiculous, I see why none will ever be NHL regulars...

-Domingue is an AHL all star, Lindbom didn't make any key saves, but wasn't horrendous either, very blah, terrible for a second round pick...

These are my observation on the last 2 games against Laval, I haven't watched much of Hartford other games.
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Great post. Agreed with most of these. I've been following the Pack a lot closer this year as well, and agree with 99% of this.

Belzile absolutely should've been called up over Nash. At this point in his career, Nash is an AHL player and a good one at that. He just can't keep up with the NHL though. Belzile can still keep up with the play. I'm not interested enough in the cap gymnastics required given the injury circumstances, perhaps that was why he wasn't? IMO Belzile or Blidh would have added speed and tenacity to the bottom 6 of the Rangers and would have been better choices to call up.

Berard is a great skater, but needs to protect his body more. The AHL will be good for him to do this, he's not ready yet. He's small and needs to be a little more aware. He still eats a lot of big hits. He's not as fast as Hagelin straightaway but has better agility.

Othmann is developing nicely (and has shown a lot of improvement from the beginning of the year to now) but I agree he's not NHL ready. Needs to work on his skating, as well as adapt to not being able to beat defensemen wide, or work to overcome his skating limitations. You can still see him trying to do it too often, but earlier in the year those were turnovers whereas now he's at least allowing the D to force the play to the wall while keeping the puck, then trying to make a play off the boards.

I like Edstrom and Rempe as well. Rempe's got to improve his upper body strength and agility, but absolutely could have a future in the NHL with a few adjustments. As a fighter, he's got to work on his balance and using body shots more. He's very young and has time. Edstrom could use his size more effectively.

The reads from most of the D are pretty bad. They can skate, but that's about it. Only a few take the body well. Scanlin seems to be the best one on reads with Harpur out. Really unimpressed with Robertson. He still handles the puck like a grenade in all zones. The puck plays him not the other way around, and I haven't seen any improvement in this area.

Domingue is great in the AHL. Garand is OK but at least shows potential...have never seen Lindbom live.
 
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The reason Nash got called up over Belzine is because the former is a center. The smart thing wouldv'e been to move Wheeler down to 4C and Vesey up to play with the bromance, but hey I'm not getting paid.

I'd have tried Edstrom on line 3 with Cullye and Bonino.
 
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Graves94 said:
I watched the majority of both games against Laval and the few observations I can make are the following:

-Belzile is miles better than any forward we have in Hartford, played on top line (with Othmann & Berard), PP & PK. Yeah I know he's a veteran, but should probably been called up ahead of Nash...

-Berard is our best skater by a mile, fast and has good edges, reminds me of Hagelin

-Othmann has a pro shot, but needs to get it on net more often, especially on the PP. He's set up similar to Mika on the NYR PP, but on the other side. However, he isn't very noticeable at even strength, needs to be more aggressive and skate more/better. Needs more time in the AHL, not ready for the NHL in my opinion...

-Edstrom is surprisingly fast and mobile for a 6'8" frame, as well as being aggressive on the forcheck. Definitiley has NHL potential in the bottom six

-Rempe is a player that I love because he uses his skills to his advantage. He's also huge and skates well, but hits and keeps moving his feet. Very good option to get 4th line minutes against specific teams at the NHL level. (BTW, he got a major and game misconduct yesterday for a legal, monster hit, joke of a call)

-All our D are pretty mobile, but man the brain cramps are ridiculous, I see why none will ever be NHL regulars...

-Domingue is an AHL all star, Lindbom didn't make any key saves, but wasn't horrendous either, very blah, terrible for a second round pick...

These are my observation on the last 2 games against Laval, I haven't watched much of Hartford other games.
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I agree with Belzile being the call-up but that was his Laval homecoming. Guessing if it was any other team this weekend he would have been the choice.
 
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A couple of transactions:

Matthew Robertson returned to Hartford. Presumably Miller is back.



Olaf Lindholm returned to Cincinnati according to AHL transaction page. Presumably Garand is back.

DiGiacinto returned to Cincinnati according to the AHL transaction page. With Nash returned to Hartford the extra forward no longer needed. Hartford chose to keep Pekar.



Ranger Ric said:
A couple of transactions:

Matthew Robertson returned to Hartford. Presumably Miller is back.



Olaf Lindholm returned to Cincinnati according to AHL transaction page. Presumably Garand is back.

DiGiacinto returned to Cincinnati according to the AHL transaction page. With Nash returned to Hartford the extra forward no longer needed. Hartford chose to keep Pekar.

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Sorry wrong link for AHL.

theahl.com

TheAHL.com | The American Hockey League

theahl.com theahl.com
 
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Ranger Ric said:
A couple of transactions:

Matthew Robertson returned to Hartford. Presumably Miller is back.



Olaf Lindholm returned to Cincinnati according to AHL transaction page. Presumably Garand is back.

DiGiacinto returned to Cincinnati according to the AHL transaction page. With Nash returned to Hartford the extra forward no longer needed. Hartford chose to keep Pekar.




Sorry wrong link for AHL.

theahl.com

TheAHL.com | The American Hockey League

theahl.com theahl.com
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Roster merry-go-round gonna be spinning for a while for Pack
Sykora will leave for WJC after the weekend, and NYR been NOT carrying a 13th F day-to-day, needs, or road trip depth, gonna continue to arise
 
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