Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL)/Maine Mariners (ECHL) Thread *Part X*

[eco's bones]

Hartford trailing 2-1 in the 2nd. Halverson in net. St. Amant with the goal for Hartford. Dmowski with the assist and he's had a couple of shots already.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Morgan Adams Moisan recalled to Laval for 3rd time;

D Richie Boyd added on SPC from UNH;

Mariners host Manchester on "Country afternoon" AT 3PM

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

10 min gone and Pack outplayed.

We just got the full Sean Day experience, lost the puck poorly to a forechecker who got a good chance then Day picked the puck up and went end-to-end (Nice dangle on the offensive blueline) and setup a good chance for Pack

 

[Osminator]

Charlotte and Hartford may be the same league, but a world apart. It is evident the Pack just wanna wrap up the season and GTFO of 2018-19.

Good for Huska on getting some AHL games, not (yet) conviced though that he will start in Hartford next year... maybe Maine?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

 

[cwede]

...Good for Huska on getting some AHL games, not (yet) conviced though that he will start in Hartford next year... maybe Maine?

i do think thats likely, but its impossible to even begin to predict the goalie depth for next year
Halverson and Nell are both RFAs,
Wall probably returns to Lowell as the only other goalie they used this year has no more eligibility.
Shesty isnt signed.

If Shesty comes, my wish will be do NOT sign a vet AAAA goalie,
rotate Georgie and Shesty behind Hank and as lead G w HWP.
QO Halvy
add another prospect G by UDFA (i root for Raaymakers who was in Camp in '17) or trade (a la a McNiven from Habs)
(recall that this season they have 6 G on NHL deals, even now with Tokarski in Charlotte and Nell in Greenville)

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Holy shit Steven Fogarty!!!

 

[Osminator]

Fogarty on Fire! 2 goals in a matter of minutes!

 

[Osminator]

i do think thats likely, but its impossible to even begin to predict the goalie depth for next year
Halverson and Nell are both RFAs,
Wall probably returns to Lowell as the only other goalie they used this year has no more eligibility.
Shesty isnt signed.

If Shesty comes, my wish will be do NOT sign a vet AAAA goalie,
rotate Georgie and Shesty behind Hank and as lead G w HWP.
QO Halvy
add another prospect G by UDFA (i root for Raaymakers who was in Camp in '17) or trade (a la a McNiven from Habs)
(recall that this season they have 6 G on NHL deals, even now with Tokarski in Charlotte and Nell in Greenville)

The more depth the better. I think with the goalie prospects so far, it hasn't hurt to have a AAAA goalie on recall... also when the NYR needed a backup just to sit (this year's Mazanec/Tokarski) while letting Georgiev play in Hartford.

I'm curious what they'll do on Halverson and Nell. I've seen Nell a little play for Maine... phew... he needs to pick it up next year. Whatever it takes to make Hartford competitve again AND helps the prospects at the same time, I'm for it. This tire fire this year can't be helping any of the prospects in Hartford, other than teaching them how much losing stings on a permanent basis.

I think it'll all play out when a decision of Shestyorkin is made... coming over or not. I'm sure he's not keen on backing up Magnus Hellberg in Russia. I don't always get the hate for developing very young foreign players in the AHL... look at the players who passed through the AHL and are NHL superstars. Of course, they didn't have to play on such a Pack tire fire team.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think there's no chance they qualify Nell. He hasn't really been good anywhere at any level for more than a handful of games. It's not worth an NHL deal for a mediocre ECHL goalie.

I don't think they qualify Halverson. It's hard to believe that anyone would give him an NHL contract. Why would we? Bring him back on an AHL deal if you can, if not, bring in literally anyone else. He's about to be 23 so we can't even use the "well he's young" deal with him. I mean he's not old, objectively, but the idea was that since he was young he had time to pick it up. He just hasn't picked it up, unless you consider being a very good ECHL goalie worth an NHL deal. I think you can do better on an AHL contract.

 

[Tawnos]

I was at the game yesterday and there was literally nothing to report about our prospects. Except maybe that Gropp has grown as a player. He's become very active and, in a way, carries himself like an NHLer. Don't think the skill level is there.

It did remind me quite a bit of the Rangers, though. Lots of hard work, but not enough talent to win.

 

[Osminator]

I think there's no chance they qualify Nell. He hasn't really been good anywhere at any level for more than a handful of games. It's not worth an NHL deal for a mediocre ECHL goalie.

I don't think they qualify Halverson. It's hard to believe that anyone would give him an NHL contract. Why would we? Bring him back on an AHL deal if you can, if not, bring in literally anyone else. He's about to be 23 so we can't even use the "well he's young" deal with him. I mean he's not old, objectively, but the idea was that since he was young he had time to pick it up. He just hasn't picked it up, unless you consider being a very good ECHL goalie worth an NHL deal. I think you can do better on an AHL contract.

I agree... clean house and start fresh. From what I have seen, I wouldn't bring Nell back, Halverson on an AHL deal only to be in the ECHL and call-up to Hartford if needed. Neither should be seeing AHL action next year based on their play. Adam Huska is still so very raw, he might benefit from getting tons of games at the ECHL level to properly bring him into the Pro game.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Halverson-Huska for the ECHL next season seems good, Geo/Shesty to start for Pack and then add an AHL vet to this Group.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Mariners get sunk 6-2 by Manchester

 

[Mikos87]

I was at the game yesterday and there was literally nothing to report about our prospects. Except maybe that Gropp has grown as a player. He's become very active and, in a way, carries himself like an NHLer. Don't think the skill level is there.

It did remind me quite a bit of the Rangers, though. Lots of hard work, but not enough talent to win.

It's interesting I've caught more Ranger games live on the road this year than home games and I think there is a deeper issue there. There's lots of "activity" without results. Now when you're watching the game live you can see the off camera stuff, and I for one have been very disappointed with the Rangers group. There was a game I went to where within 7 minutes of the 1st I knew they were going to get shut out. There was a malaise there, guys skating in the picture, but soft, disengaged, and firing from the perimeter with no puck support or desire to attack with the exception of Mika Zibanajed, Skjei, DeAngelo.

The rest were very passive.

Another game was more entertaining, but the Rangers scored thanks to some poor goaltending and coverage gaps that left guys wide open.

To me Gropp is that type of player. He's got the physical tools to become an effective 4th liner, but either doesn't know what to do (low hockey sense) or isn't fully engaged (which he was- especially in the pre-season).

My concern is that this is a cultural issue throughout the organization. A lack of depth, and a laisezz faire administration for a couple of years will do that to you.

 

[Beacon]

Losing depresses people. It is biological. Look how they reacted to defeating the Leafs, it was like an OT goal to win a round deep in the playoffs.

At some point, winning will be needed. But that point will not happen this or next year, so expect more of the same for another 13 months. The loss of Hayes and MZA will make the team markedly worse next year. I have huge doubts that any rookie will step in to become as good as either of those in his first year. Most likely the team calculates that it won't make the playoffs anyway, and ship out Kreider, Names, Vesey and Fast at some point between June and February.

Let's hope all the age-for-youth eventually works out. We wouldn't have Strome if not for the Nash trade, and he's the one who scored the uplifting OT goal.

 

[alkurtz]

Don't agree about the "laisezz faire adminitration." At some point in a player's development the onus must be on them. Are they willing to go the extra few percent to become successful? Do they have what it takes, not physically, but emotionally and mentally? Pro hockey is a great revealer of the truth. Anything lacking, speed, hockey smarts, skills, will be revealed. Talent will only take you so far. Granted, the more talent you have, the further you can go with it. But eventually even that catches up with you. We've all seen exceedingly talented players fail and less talented players make it. What's the reason? Probably not coaching or administration. It's all internal with each individual player. And you know what? Hockey doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's like life. We all have our internal motor, our internal drive. In some of us, it burns brightly. In others, not so much. That's human. If by now, Day or Gropp are not progressing, it is on them. Can they overcome their weaknesses? Pro sports can be a cruel world, it weeds out the "weak." I have no problem with the Ranger coaching or administration.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Chase to Hartford/Melanson to Portland

 

[Tawnos]

It's interesting I've caught more Ranger games live on the road this year than home games and I think there is a deeper issue there. There's lots of "activity" without results. Now when you're watching the game live you can see the off camera stuff, and I for one have been very disappointed with the Rangers group. There was a game I went to where within 7 minutes of the 1st I knew they were going to get shut out. There was a malaise there, guys skating in the picture, but soft, disengaged, and firing from the perimeter with no puck support or desire to attack with the exception of Mika Zibanajed, Skjei, DeAngelo.

The rest were very passive.

Another game was more entertaining, but the Rangers scored thanks to some poor goaltending and coverage gaps that left guys wide open.

To me Gropp is that type of player. He's got the physical tools to become an effective 4th liner, but either doesn't know what to do (low hockey sense) or isn't fully engaged (which he was- especially in the pre-season).

My concern is that this is a cultural issue throughout the organization. A lack of depth, and a laisezz faire administration for a couple of years will do that to you.

I've felt this way occasionally about the Rangers, but really that can be chalked up to their overall talent level, which is low, and the variances in performance night-to-night. That second one can especially be the case with young players but all performers of any stripe have off-nights. However, the vast majority of the time, the Rangers work their butts off. If nothing is happening it's because they both aren't good enough and the opponent is better than them.

On Gropp... my sense is that he doesn't have the physical tools.

 

[Joey Bones]

Halverson-Huska for the ECHL next season seems good, Geo/Shesty to start for Pack and then add an AHL vet to this Group.

I don't think Shesterkin plays in the AHL. I feel he'd want out to make better money in Europe.

I mentioned this before, but the Rangers are most likely not going to be making the playoffs next season. Why not carry three goalies? Lundqvist is Lundqvist, Georgiev can start and Shesterkin has a really good chance to start. Both Georgiev and Shesterkin would be on ELC's so it won't effect the cap much. Play the two, see who is more reliable and trade the other. Would help loosen the logjam while gaining assets.

 

[Leetch3]

I don't think Shesterkin plays in the AHL. I feel he'd want out to make better money in Europe.

I mentioned this before, but the Rangers are most likely not going to be making the playoffs next season. Why not carry three goalies? Lundqvist is Lundqvist, Georgiev can start and Shesterkin has a really good chance to start. Both Georgiev and Shesterkin would be on ELC's so it won't effect the cap much. Play the two, see who is more reliable and trade the other. Would help loosen the logjam while gaining assets.

That would result in georgiev and shesterkin playing in like 15 games each which probably isn’t enough for either

 

[Tawnos]

I don't think Shesterkin plays in the AHL. I feel he'd want out to make better money in Europe.

I mentioned this before, but the Rangers are most likely not going to be making the playoffs next season. Why not carry three goalies? Lundqvist is Lundqvist, Georgiev can start and Shesterkin has a really good chance to start. Both Georgiev and Shesterkin would be on ELC's so it won't effect the cap much. Play the two, see who is more reliable and trade the other. Would help loosen the logjam while gaining assets.

Well there’s always the trade off. The highest earning potential, long-term, is in the NHL. He has to get through the ELC at some point, so he may be willing to do whatever is necessary to do it now in order to get past it, even if that means spending some time in the AHL.

 

[Joey Bones]

That would result in georgiev and shesterkin playing in like 15 games each which probably isn’t enough for either

Not necessarily. Lundqvist plays about 20 and the other two play about 31 each. It'll be tough to coordinate, but the Rangers should not send Shesterkin to the minors.

 

[Joey Bones]

Well there’s always the trade off. The highest earning potential, long-term, is in the NHL. He has to get through the ELC at some point, so he may be willing to do whatever is necessary to do it now in order to get past it, even if that means spending some time in the AHL.

Who? Georgiev or Shesterkin?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Not necessarily. Lundqvist plays about 20 and the other two play about 31 each. It'll be tough to coordinate, but the Rangers should not send Shesterkin to the minors.

The big problem with keeping 3 goalies on the roster is practicing. When the Islanders were doing it, Berube’s agent made a big fuss because he wasn’t playing and was barely getting any practice time