Joey Bones
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No I don't. Like I said it'll be tough to coordinate. Although I don't think he plays 20, he could very well give up time to let the younger guys play. Maybe a 35 game range sounds likely.
Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL)/Maine Mariners (ECHL) Thread *Part X*
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No I don't. Like I said it'll be tough to coordinate. Although I don't think he plays 20, he could very well give up time to let the younger guys play. Maybe a 35 game range sounds likely.
Joey Bones
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But, again, does Shesterkin really go to the AHL? I don't think that seems likely. Just how I don't think it's as likely that Lundqvist plays 20 games next year.
Not for long stretches, but do you think he’ll oppose being sent down to play 2 games over a weekend here and there? I doubt it
Joey Bones
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That's just it, though. Would he disapprove an AHL assignment? It'll be interesting....
I don't see it, not if it's clear he's coming back up after the weekend... NYR just has to have a good dialogue with him i guess.
Joey Bones
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Okay, I see where you're going with that. Again, it'll have to be what Shesterkin and the Rangers decide. It'll be tough....
Joey Bones
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Oh, I see where you're going with that. I think he'd accept if the Rangers were off for like a 5 day stretch and that Hartford would be playing say 3 games during that. That makes sense to me.
But to be sent down for a significant amount of time might seem out of the question for a starting KHL caliber keeper. I'd think he'd feel disrespected in that regard, which I mean is respectable seeing what he has done with SKA. But it's also a slap in the face for NYR. This will get tricky, for sure.
Yeah, i mean for shorter stints just to give him extra games and to make sure Georgiev gets some NHL games aswell. Tricky yes, but with good dialogue and planning it should be doable
Georgiev is really similar to Raanta when we acquired Raanta. We acquired Raanta for Ryan Haggerty. Would you want to trade Georgiev for a C- prospect?
GeorgeKaplan
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In that scenario, there would have to be some sort of rift between Georgiev and the coach/management and we’d have to have tried and failed to sign said prospect like a year before
eco's bones
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I think it's kind of hard to say in a way but I think Georgiev is at least as good of a goaltender as Raanta if not better. Raanta was 26 when we got him and he played for a much stronger Rangers team. Georgiev was 22 and is now 23 and shown he can steal games with a much much weaker team. I really liked Raanta a lot (liked Talbot too) but I value Georgiev over Raanta and since the trade deadline I think Alex has been our best goalie. I think we may be at a point next year where our goalies play on merit and we don't just go with the idea that Henrik is the No. 1.
Those are valid points. However Raanta, while older, also had two years in Liiga where he played the majority of games and posted phenomenal numbers. He was a highly-regarded prospect. Georgiev did well in Liiga for three years as a backup but his numbers didn't approach Raanta's, and Georgiev wasn't really on the radar when signed. They both came over and had similar performances in the AHL and NHL. Regardless of team strength, they both performed pretty equally. My point is, Raanta was considered a pretty safe bet to be at least a good backup and possibly a good starter. We may feel that way about Georgiev but who knows what the league thinks; and even if they for some reason value him a bit more than Raanta (age, as you said), he still has very limited value. More established goalies than either of them (at the time of Raanta's trade and now for Georgiev) often receive very small returns.
Now, look. We've never been an organization to stand in the way of a guy moving somewhere else where he has a better shot if that guy is not in our plans. We'll trade guys, like Kundratek or Byers if they want to move on, or let go of someone like Strömwall. There are a bunch of other examples that I'm not sure if we let then walk or terminated their contract or if they had EAC's--Calle Andersson, Ambuhl, Zamorsky, etc. Lots of examples. We're a flexible organization in that respect.
With that said, if Shesterkin comes over and through camp, the exhibition schedule and the early part of the season, shows that he's ready for prime time, they'll probably move Georgiev rather than let him toil in the AHL (since he belong on an NHL roster). But if Shesterkin comes over with an assignment clause or some other doubt he'd be willing to play any games in Hartford, then we can't let Georgiev go for peanuts. We need to make sure Shesterkin is good to go first. Can't move Georgiev and find that Shesterkin needs some time in the AHL like Vasilevskiy or Samsonov and then get caught without a backup.
But, if Shesterkin is good, then doing right by Georgiev we may look to move him, even if it's for little.
eco's bones
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Well you worked on that one.
I'm not convinced that Shestyorkin is going to be the better goalie though. They're the same age and relatively the same size. Shestyorkin's pretty much always been a part of a top team in the KHL and he's always split the starts. He hasn't been seeing the amount of rubber that Henrik and Georgiev have been seeing the last couple years. Igor's going to be walking into a situation where he's not only going to have to make cultural adjustments--he's going to be playing on smaller rinks and his team is kind of going to suck and he's going to more than likely be bombed on a regular basis. How he's going to handle that is a big question. This isn't going to be a Brodeur situation where you spend your entire career backstopping a very defensively responsible team which is kind of what SKA St. Petersburg are in the KHL. We already know how Henrik and Alex are handling things and IMO Alex has been handling it better than Henrik since the trade deadline and weakening of the team.
Which is to say that a lot of people seem to think that Igor's going to move right in and become our next savior. It's going to take a lot more than just him.
Yeah, I'm totally on board with what you're saying. While I do believe Shesterkin will be better, it needs to be shown over here before we kick Georgiev to the curb.
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I don't know, but statistically Geo was great in Finland. He led the league in GAA and was 6th in SV%. He split the time with another goalie in Turku, but my memory is that he started as a backup, but played most games towards the end of the season. I think he had a very strong Liiga season.
Georgiev in Liiga
14-15: 14 games, 2.21, .917
15-16: 10 games, 2.28, .915
16-17: 27 games, 1.70, .923
Raanta in Liiga
09-10: 15 games, 2.66, .917
10-11: 20 games, 2.37, .910
11-12: 38 games, 2.23, .933
12-13: 45 games, 1.85, .943 (playoffs: 16 games, 1.33, .955)
I mean, you tell me. I said Raanta was more accomplished in Liiga and I think it's pretty hard to deny that. Age is irrelevant to that point. I also said that the two players were very similar in their background to the point that Raanta was traded, and to this point for Georgiev. I'm not arguing one is better than the other. Just that Raanta had no value because he never had the opportunity in the NHL to establish himself as more than a good backup, which right now is the same for Georgiev. So, therefore, I expect that if we trade Georgiev now, we're going to get back a weak return.
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You're not wrong. I'm hoping Geo establishes himself enough that we can get a Talbot type return: a second and a third.
Having in the 2020 draft a pair of seconds and a trio of thirds, plus whatever Kreider returns, allows the team to take more risks on high risk, high reward players, even in the first round. If Geo can help us do that, I'll be happy.
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Ranger's have to decide who the future is...is it going to be Igor or is it going to be Georgiev . Not saying they have to make that choice now, but halfway through next season they should have an idea.
My gut tells me Georgiev will be dealt at some point next season, esp when he has to go on Waivers to be sent down. Esp if Shest comes to training camp and plays NHL ready.
My gut tells me Georgiev will be dealt at some point next season, esp when he has to go on Waivers to be sent down. Esp if Shest comes to training camp and plays NHL ready.
Hm so is Georgiev only exempt up to 60 NHL games? That gives them some time to figure out how to handle things since that would give him 21 more NHL games before it's an issue.
I think Shesterkin will need some AHL time to be honest (Samsonov did it...) so it could still easily be Lundqvist and Georgiev next season but the backup situation could be pretty fluid as well. At this point honestly I don't think Lundqvist should play more than half of the available games but we'll see, he might even end up the backup (or at least equal share) sooner rather than later.
Problem with Georgiev is I keep thinking he might have that little something that makes him a good NHL starter but I'm not really sure yet, but would love to keep him around and run him and Shesty for a bit to see who runs with it, but Lundqvist doesn't really make that possible. Might have to trade one of the young guys and either one could have a real good NHL career possibly.
Zeb Knutson claimed on waivers by Maine from Indy, started the year in Manchester out Minnesota-Mankato
I have no idea what you get for Georgiev in a trade. Goalies don't seem to bring much of a return. What I like about trading him to Carolina is that we have the cap room to take back Darling and either bury him or buy him out and thus get a little more in the deal.
NYR Viper
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there are no minimum game requirements on goalies (assuming same rules). so we can sign someone to play in hartford/maine and 'expose' them
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Beleskey out.
Group - Foggy - Mess (instead of Butler)
Getts - Fontaine - Chase
Ronning - Jones - Butler
Dmowski - Wallin - St. Amant
Lindgren - Raddysh
Day - Craw
OG - Register
This would be a great lineup for Maine.
Our old friend Tokarski is playing for our old ECHL team. Halvy in the Pack net. Old friends Sanguinetti and Saarela playing for Charlotte.
First Period
Day with a turnover thinking slowly, but later that shift a good play to confidently move the puck around 2 guys in quick moves to clear the zone.
Goal: wallin with a dumb turnover, then blow coverage in front of Halvy and in. 1-0.
Day looking much more confident, but I still don't see anything resembling an NHLer. Let's see if he takes another big step next year.
OG prevents a rebound shots into an empty net that would make it 2-0.
St. Amant must be spectacular in the ECHL.
The only way to describe the Pack so far is discombobulated. That said, Charlotte is a great team, Pack is borderline ECHL.
Chase with a turnover near his own net looking like he doesn't belong in the AHL.
I know Raddysh is supposed to be a prospect, but yeah... no.
Pack trying hard, but the gap between the 2 teams is huge. It's like watching Kazakhstan take on Sweden - Borat is not beating Lundqvist no matter how hard he tries.
Group - Foggy - Mess (instead of Butler)
Getts - Fontaine - Chase
Ronning - Jones - Butler
Dmowski - Wallin - St. Amant
Lindgren - Raddysh
Day - Craw
OG - Register
This would be a great lineup for Maine.
Our old friend Tokarski is playing for our old ECHL team. Halvy in the Pack net. Old friends Sanguinetti and Saarela playing for Charlotte.
First Period
Day with a turnover thinking slowly, but later that shift a good play to confidently move the puck around 2 guys in quick moves to clear the zone.
Goal: wallin with a dumb turnover, then blow coverage in front of Halvy and in. 1-0.
Day looking much more confident, but I still don't see anything resembling an NHLer. Let's see if he takes another big step next year.
OG prevents a rebound shots into an empty net that would make it 2-0.
St. Amant must be spectacular in the ECHL.
The only way to describe the Pack so far is discombobulated. That said, Charlotte is a great team, Pack is borderline ECHL.
Chase with a turnover near his own net looking like he doesn't belong in the AHL.
I know Raddysh is supposed to be a prospect, but yeah... no.
Pack trying hard, but the gap between the 2 teams is huge. It's like watching Kazakhstan take on Sweden - Borat is not beating Lundqvist no matter how hard he tries.
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