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Prospect Info: Hartford Wolf Pack (AHL)/Maine Mariners (ECHL) Thread *Part X*

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nyr2k2 said:
Thing is, I'm sure by now every team has seen plenty of him. Pro scouts have either seen him with the Rangers last year or in Hartford. Particularly this year, with his gaudy point totals and All-Star designation, I'm sure everyone has watched him. If there was a team interested in him, I'm pretty sure the Rangers would have no qualms in moving him (given his impending UFA status) had someone inquired. They could have conceivably even tried to move him. But again, he's Group 6 after the season, so we'd have to re-sign him and go through this whole song and dance again. I think the writing is on the wall and he'll be somewhere else next year (be it here or overseas).
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This all makes sense.

I guess I'm more so annoyed that we just held onto him this year; never resigned him, never moved him, never gave him an NHL look. Despite him being one of the few bright spots in Hartford.

Maybe he never wanted to resign (probable), there was no market for an AHL all-star with elite NHL skating (unlikely), and Quinn had a strong dislike for his game in pre-season (likely). I'm still going to reserve the right to be annoyed when he walks to another team and puts up similar AHL numbers, and/or gets a cup of tea and looks like a 7D.
 
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......maybe Quinn still holds a grudge on Gilmour, because he use to skate circles around Quinn's BU teams, when Gilmour played at Providence (and beat BU in the National Championship game) :yashin::yashin:
 
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Harbour Dog said:
This all makes sense.

I guess I'm more so annoyed that we just held onto him this year; never resigned him, never moved him, never gave him an NHL look. Despite him being one of the few bright spots in Hartford.

Maybe he never wanted to resign (probable), there was no market for an AHL all-star with elite NHL skating (unlikely), and Quinn had a strong dislike for his game in pre-season (likely). I'm still going to reserve the right to be annoyed when he walks to another team and puts up similar AHL numbers, and/or gets a cup of tea and looks like a 7D.
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I think keeping him to drive offense in Hartford to sort of keep them in games is better than getting a 2021 6th or whatever they would’ve gotten for him if they wanted to trade him
 
In addition to Nell to Maine, the Pack return Drew Melanson to Maine and recall Greg Chase from Maine.
Chase is a mid-season pick up for Maine has 18G-16A for 34 points in 34GP. This is his 4th pro season and he is 24 years old, a former 7th Rd pick of the Edmonton Oilers.

Also, Laval recalled goalie Connor Lacouvee from Maine, leaving Chris Nell as the only goalie, as Maine had previously released Hannu Toivoinen to make room for Nell.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Thing is, I'm sure by now every team has seen plenty of him. Pro scouts have either seen him with the Rangers last year or in Hartford. Particularly this year, with his gaudy point totals and All-Star designation, I'm sure everyone has watched him. If there was a team interested in him, I'm pretty sure the Rangers would have no qualms in moving him (given his impending UFA status) had someone inquired. They could have conceivably even tried to move him. But again, he's Group 6 after the season, so we'd have to re-sign him and go through this whole song and dance again. I think the writing is on the wall and he'll be somewhere else next year (be it here or overseas).
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Why would anyone want to trade for Gilmour when he can be signed for free on July 1st? I don't see why any team would have been willing to waste an asset on him.

I suspect that he has at least one more NHL contract coming to him--if not from the Rangers, then another team.
 
bmoak said:
In addition to Nell to Maine, the Pack return Drew Melanson to Maine and recall Greg Chase from Maine.
Chase is a mid-season pick up for Maine has 18G-16A for 34 points in 34GP. This is his 4th pro season and he is 24 years old, a former 7th Rd pick of the Edmonton Oilers.

Also, Laval recalled goalie Connor Lacouvee from Maine, leaving Chris Nell as the only goalie, as Maine had previously released Hannu Toivoinen to make room for Nell.
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Maine has a backup goalie... Domenic Graham was signed last week and put the reserve roster. He'll be activated this week.
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Hartford comes from behind tonight to win 4-3 in OT against the Binghamton Devils. Halverson once again in net. Gilmour 2 goals (including the OT winner) and an assist--he hits 20 goals and goes over 50 points. Lettieri and Gettinger each with a goal and an assist. Fogarty with 2 assists and Gropp with one assist.
 
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Gilmour has a shooting percentage of 12.9%, which seems insanely high for a dedefenseman. He's also 2nd on the team in shots after Lettieri.
 
Just from an entertainment perspective, I'd like to see Gilmour close out the season with the Rangers. But I thought he'd have a good preseason and he was awful, then we bought too many defensemen and they all stayed healthy.
 
Congrats Gilmour on breaking Hartford’s goals by a defenseman in a single season record.

You are still not an NHL defenseman. Scoring at that level at 25 years old (soon to be 26 in May) means jack. The AHL is a circus when it comes to defense and he is part of that circus. The guy cannot play the position. Defense comes first. He was severely exposed in the NHL last year. There have been reports all year about his blatant turnovers that have led directly to goals against. There is no room for that nonsense at the NHL level. No coach, defensive partner, or goalie wants mayhem in their own end. We have it at times as it is with technically better defenseman than him.

Again congrats, but you are in the AHL for a reason and you scored all those points because there is much less, if any, accountability for playing defense.
 
Lmao, strong disagree, he wasn’t ”exposed” in the NHL last year, his results were good.
Him crushing the AHL matters, he has a good case for best D-man in the AHL this season and his ”bad defence” or whatever is severely exaggerated, his D is fine at worst.
 
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Seems like a KHL/SHL future for Gilmour. Matt Gilroy made a good living over there for many seasons.
 
The whole "John Gilmour SUCKS defensively" thing is a myth, he plays a high risk game (which is more then compensated for his transition game and production) but his actual defending is fine, nothing groundbreaking but far from horrible. His positioning is good, his gap Control is good, he's got a good stick. He does have some issues along the boards and boxing out players from the crease which is understandable.
 
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Personally if we didn't have Shattenkirk I'd be inclined to give Gilmour a shot. I don't think Gilmour is very good defensively but neither is Shatty and Gilmour is a tremendous skater and Shatty has been looking kind of slow this year.

I suspect that Gilmour is going to get a shot from someone somewhere--the question is will he stick?
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
The whole "John Gilmour SUCKS defensively" thing is a myth, he plays a high risk game (which is more then compensated for his transition game and production) but his actual defending is fine, nothing groundbreaking but far from horrible. His positioning is good, his gap Control is good, he's got a good stick. He does have some issues along the boards and boxing out players from the crease which is understandable.
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My concern is that the offense he generates won't translate to the NHL to the degree it does in the AHL (I don't think anyone would dispute this) and that his high-risk game which often leads to turnovers would then be far more of a problem for him than it is now. And his otherwise average but uninspiring defense wouldn't get him very far.

He and Pionk recorded points at almost identical rates in the AHL and the guy Pionk is reminds me of the guy Gilmour is right now. Pionk used to try those end-to-end rushes more frequently in the NHL, even though they rarely worked (they did occasionally to awesome effect). He doesn't as much now because you need to be a really good player on a number of levels--skating, vision, awareness, puck handling--to actually pull that off in the NHL. I don't see anything in Gilmour to make me believe he's capable of playing his AHL game in the NHL for any type of sustained period of time. Once guys understand his bread and butter he'll get shut down every time and we'll get killed, like with Pionk.

I could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. Other than being a good skater, however, I don't really see any NHL-caliber traits. Nothing more than NHL-average, anyway.

It would be cool to see him succeed, but I just don't see us bringing him back. Just feels like he'll leave to go play somewhere else, maybe even overseas where he could make a good bit of cash.
 
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Gilmours rate stats both 5v5 and on the PP from the NHL last year were sky high, small sample but a good indicator that his offense does translate.

Gilmour is much better offensively then Pionk and miles better in transition
 
IDK which would be better having between Pionk and Gilmour, but both are better than Shattenkirk. I really think Gilmour could thrive in the NHL next to a mobile, crease clearer.
 
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I am sorry I whole heartedly disagree. Not sure what you were watching last year but Gilmour was a HORROR show defensively. Positioning terrible. Puck management terrible. Turnovers. Turnovers. He was careless with the puck. He lost his assignment more often than not. I have read the SAME things this year from mutliple sources/outlets/AND this very board regarding his defense.

The guy is going to be 26 years old. He is not some 20 year old. When does he figure out how to play a lick of defense? When? You had claimed Hajek was not very good this year in Hartford. And yet people combatted his numbers down there with playing in a poor system and having lesser players not be in the right spots when making plays with the puck. Have a strong feeling Gilmour was that guy. He is a detriment defensively. If he was a forward maybe its a different story. Less responsibility. But no he is a defenseman. You have to be able to play he defense. He cant. He was god awful last year. Maybe his “possession” / fancy stats look good, but i will go with the eye test for this one and he just wasnt very good.

I agree with @nyr2k2 in that i dont see this level of production translating to the NHL. Not even close. And therefore he wont be able to come anywhere near to being able to offset the mistakes he makes every game.

Let someone else give him a chance. I would rather see Hajek, Lindgren, who are younger and will provide actual defense to stabilize the backend play. Rykov too.
 
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So if Gilmour was such a HORROR last year then why was his numbers really good? Truth is he did well in a small sample in the NHL and he’s been excellent in the AHL for a while now.

Hajek hasn’t been paired with Gilmour in the AHL more then the few odd shifts, he’s been paired with Bigras. So instead of making stuff up maybe use some facts?

Gilmours defending is fine.

His production actually did translate last season ‍♂️‍♂️‍♂️‍♂️‍♂️
 
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Look at fancy stats all you want, but in this case they dont tell the whole story. They are supposed to be a guide and i completely respect them but they are not exemplifying his poor defensive abilities. The guy was brutal out there. And if that werent the case, then dont you think management would have given him a look at any point this season? Why let him stay down there if he is so wonderful? Who is really blocking him here? When callups were made it was Lindgren or Hajek, who you shit all over when it happened. And i never said Hajek and Gilmour played together, was simply making an example of how the numbers can be misconstrued.

Keep pushing his fantastic AHL stats at age 25. I am enjoying this.
 
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