Value of: Hart, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Laughton, Couturier

[FlyguyOX]

Let’s go old-school big trade here:

Sabres get Konecny, Sanheim and Laughton.

Flyers get Buffalo 2023 1st (13th OA), one of Savoie or Ostlund, Buffalo 2024 2nd (becomes a 1st if the Sabres make the playoffs), Olofsson @ 50% and Bryson (latter two are for contract/roster spots). Sabres can add another lower end prospect or two if necessary.

So Konecny is 13th and Ostlund
Sanheim is Buffao 2024 2nd/conditional 1st
Olofsson at 50% (why would flyers ask Sabres to retain?...) and Bryson for Laughton

First two lines are reasonable but third line is too light and doesn't make sense for flyers, even though I'm def open to trading Laughton. He wears the A and might as well have been the C last year. Flyers value him more more than that.

Hart
Sanheim

Rosen or Ostlund
2023 1st (#13)
UPL
Johnson
Bryson

Too light from Sabres. Don't see enough value from UPL/Johnson/Bryson trio.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I’m not willing to pay or retain to get rid of him. I’ll keep the overpaid 40-50 pts player for 1 or 2 more seasons.

It's not really about what you're willing to do: The franchise is done with him and he's done with the franchise. All that "addition by subtraction" that Tortorella talked about even before the season was over? He wasn't going to name names, but Hayes is most certainly one of them. They'll gladly retain to get him off the team.

 

[Zorro]

I know Tippet isn't on the list but what about this?

MTL trades: #5OA

PHI trades: Hart, Tippet and #7OA

 

[JRichard]

It's not really about what you're willing to do: The franchise is done with him and he's done with the franchise. All that "addition by subtraction" that Tortorella talked about even before the season was over? He wasn't going to name names, but Hayes is most certainly one of them. They'll gladly retain to get him off the team.

I dont know. It looked like it at first with the scratching/benching, then he praised him only to get back to hating him at the end.

He still got career-high numbers.

Tired of losing, like Provorov?

Took the addition by subtraction comment by the 15 mil back from losing JVR, Braun and Ellis. They can put that money to work in deals or July signings.

 

[Fjordy]

Too light from Sabres. Don't see enough value from UPL/Johnson/Bryson trio.

Rosen/Ostlund and #13 are valuable parts. UPL can still be a promising goalie, although probably not of much value. Johnson and Bryson are just placeholders. Jokiharju could replace Bryson in a deal, for example.

 

[JRichard]

I know Tippet isn't on the list but what about this?

MTL trades: #5OA

PHI trades: Hart, Tippet and #7OA

Not to pick 2 spots earlier. 1-4 picks pretty much set but 5-10 not so much.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I dont know. It looked like it at first with the scratching/benching, then he praised him only to get back to hating him at the end.

He still got career-high numbers.

Tired of losing, like Provorov?

Took the addition by subtraction comment by the 15 mil back from losing JVR, Braun and Ellis. They can put that money to work in deals or July signings.

Hayes was healthy scratched on December 18th. He had 29 points in 31 games up to that point. That's where the career-high came from. From then on, he had 25 points in 50 games, got 2 minutes less TOI per game, and generally looked like a useless piece of shit on the ice. He doesn't want to be here.

And they're not going to "put that money to work." They are rebuilding. For the first time ever, they have said out loud that they are rebuilding. And their new god-king coach Tortorella screams the word "accountability" every 10 minutes—Hayes is the player that shows the least of it on ice. The relationship is over.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

If the Flyers are actually open to doing it, I'm guessing the Kings would want to do Kupari + Durzi + Petersen + picks/prospects for Provorov + Hart. Unless they can extend Gavrikov. Not sure that Kings and Flyers would be able to agree on the picks/prospects part though.

Where's Byfield? If the Kings are interested in both, it starts with Byfield.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

So Konecny is 13th and Ostlund
Sanheim is Buffao 2024 2nd/conditional 1st
Olofsson at 50% (why would flyers ask Sabres to retain?...) and Bryson for Laughton

First two lines are reasonable but third line is too light and doesn't make sense for flyers, even though I'm def open to trading Laughton. He wears the A and might as well have been the C last year. Flyers value him more more than that.


Too light from Sabres. Don't see enough value from UPL/Johnson/Bryson trio.

It’s more Sanheim for 13th or Ostlund + conditional 2nd
Konecny for 13th or Ostlund
Laughton for the 50% + (future pick return of Olofsson [I’m assuming they’ll trade him at the TDL]) + Bryson.

Which is why I added a potential Sabres lower end prospect or two. To make up the Laughton discrepancy. I thought about Ryan Johnson here, as the Flyers get another D prospect who can play in the AHL right away at 22 years old, or they get a guaranteed 2024 2nd (63rd OA, unless there’s a compensation pick for Jay O’Brien before that).

 

[FlyguyOX]

I know Tippet isn't on the list but what about this?

MTL trades: #5OA

PHI trades: Hart, Tippet and #7OA

LMAO you serious???? I'll give you Kevin Hayes to move up 2 spots and that's about it

 

[TkachukNorris79]

If Philly is rebuilding/retooling, would they have any interest at all in Debrincat?

Could either A) extend him and keep him for the rebuild (he's 25) or B) retain half of his $9M QO and deal him for a 1st++.

Ottawa needs someone like Hart, desperately. Konecny would be incredible as well with his ties to the city but I don't know if we have the space and assets for that at this point. Laughton makes

If they don't want ADB, maybe a 3 way trade with a team like Detroit makes sense, as I am confident ADB would extend there long term in a heartbeat (Michigan kid, Wings fan).


In: 17th overall + 43rd overall + Kubalik + Forsberg + Thomson
Out: Hart + Laughton


In: Debrincat
Out: 17th overall + 43rd overall + Kubalik


In: Hart + Laughton
Out: Debrincat + Forsberg + Thomson

 

[Limeyjim]

Who knows what Hart’s trade value is anymore.

Carter Hart has been working with the worst defence in the NHL during his short career thus far. He is still a tradable commodity if Dan Briere-John Torttorella & Keith Jones decides to entertain a move. I think it would be the wrong thing to do because Hart is the only star player on their current roster. They should build a defence around him, and improve in that fashion.

 

[SnS]

It’s more Sanheim for 13th or Ostlund + conditional 2nd
Konecny for 13th or Ostlund
Laughton for the 50% + (future pick return of Olofsson [I’m assuming they’ll trade him at the TDL]) + Bryson.

Which is why I added a potential Sabres lower end prospect or two. To make up the Laughton discrepancy. I thought about Ryan Johnson here, as the Flyers get another D prospect who can play in the AHL right away at 22 years old, or they get a guaranteed 2024 2nd (63rd OA, unless there’s a compensation pick for Jay O’Brien before that).

I personally think TK has more value than that. But I’m not sure the master minds running the Flyers do.

 

[SnS]

I know Tippet isn't on the list but what about this?

MTL trades: #5OA

PHI trades: Hart, Tippet and #7OA

That’s pretty terrible.

 

[SnS]

If Philly is rebuilding/retooling, would they have any interest at all in Debrincat?

Could either A) extend him and keep him for the rebuild (he's 25) or B) retain half of his $9M QO and deal him for a 1st++.

Ottawa needs someone like Hart, desperately. Konecny would be incredible as well with his ties to the city but I don't know if we have the space and assets for that at this point. Laughton makes

If they don't want ADB, maybe a 3 way trade with a team like Detroit makes sense, as I am confident ADB would extend there long term in a heartbeat (Michigan kid, Wings fan).


In: 17th overall + 43rd overall + Kubalik + Forsberg + Thomson
Out: Hart + Laughton


In: Debrincat
Out: 17th overall + 43rd overall + Kubalik


In: Hart + Laughton
Out: Debrincat + Forsberg + Thomson

Meh. I don’t see much value after the 43rd overall + line coming to Philadelphia.

And I’m sure Laughton is worth ten times more than what’s offered here to the Flyers.

 

[TheKingPin]

Way too early to rank the 2023 draft. Could be top-heavy only. Got to wait at least 5 years +.

So you would then never target 1sts? Save if you have a Time Machine?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I love Konecny, when you throw in he is at 5.5 caphit for 2 years. He would be a great add to a contender. Price, 1st rd pick, top prospect, and top 6 roster or top 4 D player around similar age.

That's laughable....

Please show some trades where a player of similar ilk returned that.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

That's laughable....

Please show some trades where a player of similar ilk returned that.

Bo Horvat. And Travis is not a pending UFA. There's one.

Horvat career PPG .669
Konecy career PPG .680

 

[JRichard]

So you would then never target 1sts? Save if you have a Time Machine?

I like 1sts. Late 1sts not so much. Saw nice piece on how picks around 25 to 60 have same hit rate.
Was just contesting the « good draft year » comment. Too early.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Bo Horvat. And Travis is not a pending UFA. There's one.

Horvat career PPG .669
Konecy career PPG .680

Well I guess it’s matter of semantics then. Although most probably view it as a bad trade, I agree Konecny could return something like that.

Ratu definitely a good and intriguing prospect, but not a can’t miss one or top one unless you just mean in the Islander pool.

Beauvillier is a decent top9/middle 6 winger who kind of plateaued at the moment, not a bonafide top6 forward by any means.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I personally think TK has more value than that. But I’m not sure the master minds running the Flyers do.

The masterminds of the Flyers would trade Travis Konecny to the Sabres for the Sabres prospect Jakub Konecny just to save money, and hope Flyers fans don’t notice

 

[TheKingPin]

I like 1sts. Late 1sts not so much. Saw nice piece on how picks around 25 to 60 have same hit rate.
Was just contesting the « good draft year » comment. Too early.

But the context of the comment was ‘this is a good draft year, best to load up on picks’. Your thought was that you can’t tell for 5 years. So the conclusion is you don’t target firsts because you won’t know for 5 years. Which is the case for almost all draft picks.

 

[tictactoe]

Moving 24 year old Hart? wth for?

 

[Rich Nixon]

The masterminds of the Flyers would trade Travis Konecny to the Sabres for the Sabres prospect Jakub Konecny just to save money, and hope Flyers fans don’t notice

Considering they just ChatGPT'd their way through all of their new President press releases and quotes, you're not wrong.

Moving 24 year old Hart? wth for?

Well, you move him if you can get something that will help your rebuild. Because goaltending is extremely overrated, and nearly useless for a rebuilding team. Even if you think he's the next Luongo, Price, or Lundqvist, you're better off with a nasty deep team and a Corey Crawford or Darcy Kuemper.

 

[Pelle31]

I know Tippet isn't on the list but what about this?

MTL trades: #5OA

PHI trades: Hart, Tippet and #7OA

I would stop being a Flyers fan if Briere traded Hart to Montreal. If he's going to be stupid enough to Hart it better be a team in the Western Conference like Edmonton.