Value of: Hart, Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim, Laughton, Couturier
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ponder719
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I think that would absolutely work for the Flyers, presuming you mean pick #13 this year.
Curufinwe
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Do you remember when he won the Selke?
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Do you remember when he won the Selke?
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Yeah I phrased that funny. He was supposed to be an annual contender and he obviously never had that happen.
Curufinwe
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Apart from those three years where that did happen.
17-18: 2nd
18-19: 6th
19-20: 1st
20-21: 15th
Probably more like Konecny + Laughton + Cutter Gauthier ++. Marner is one of the best players in the league, let’s be real here.
Couturier is a cap dump at this point. Nobody is paying assets for that contract right now.
ChaoticOrange
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I'm sure the Kings would, but that's... bad. Durzi is not good and Kupari has a long way to go before he's even serviceable.
Ledge And Dairy
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No he's not. He's simply at discounted value like Eichel was. The acquiring team would have to get access to his medicals or course
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Freaky Styley
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Neutral fan, but something that seems logical would be:
Marner + something (Timmins?)
for
Provorov + Konecny
Money is nearly identical, Leafs get a big upgrade on D, Flyers get a game-changing forward and a young RH dman.
If I'm the Leafs I then call up LA and see about a Roy - McCabe swap
Marner + something (Timmins?)
for
Provorov + Konecny
Money is nearly identical, Leafs get a big upgrade on D, Flyers get a game-changing forward and a young RH dman.
If I'm the Leafs I then call up LA and see about a Roy - McCabe swap
Gurglesons
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He hasn't played hockey in over a year due to injury, only played 29 games in 21/22 and he's already on the north side of 30, signed for another 6 years at almost $8M...
He most certainly is a cap dump
ponder719
The same New Era as before
The Flyers are not looking for a game-changing forward in his prime, because we'd waste his career like we did G's. If Marner to a third team for future assets was part of the deal, there's something to work with here.
He's most certainly not, because we have no need to move him on that basis. I don't expect anyone to trade for him this offseason, but we aren't moving players just to move them, we're moving them to collect assets for the long term. He'd either be moved after a close look at his medicals at a discounted value, but still at some value, or we'll keep him until he proves his health back on the ice.He hasn't played hockey in over a year due to injury, only played 29 games in 21/22 and he's already on the north side of 30, signed for another 6 years at almost $8M...
He most certainly is a cap dump
Freaky Styley
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Ya I think that's a great option for the Flyers too. I still think there's value for Philly to have a guy like Marner as a veteran shouldering the load for the young players and being their new Captain potentially. I'm not super familiar with Philly's prospect pool so maybe it's more worth it to them to flip Marner and build up the pool.
Marner is still only 26 though and has a lot of miles left. The guy will still be a top-end player by the time Philly would be on the rebound and will be effective well into his 30s. Laughton would also be a good target for the Leafs
ponder719
The same New Era as before
I've always preferred the "tear the whole thing down" method of rebuilding (big Process fan, Hinkie come home), so my inclination is to not worry about shouldering the load for the young players. If we want some lead by example types, well, Couturier's a very plausible next captain, since we aren't likely to get anything for him right now. Laughton should be traded for value (should have been traded back before we extended him, for that matter), but if we don't, I think Torts will eventually upgrade his A to a C, since he's the only player who was trusted with any sort of letter this season.
Beyond that, we'll be able to pick up some "plays the right way" kind of veterans to help flesh out the team for a while, until the younger players are properly ready to step up. I just want us to take anyone of medium-to-high value who will be leaving their prime in the next 4-5 years, when I next see us being competitive, and rehoming them in exchange for players who fit that timeline.
Obviously.... That doesn't mean he isn't still a cap dump. He just wont be traded because of it.
Nobody is trading for him given his contract situation and his injury status. Philly also obviously wont trade him given that he has literally zero value. Its a situation that perhaps gets revisited at the trade deadline next summer if Couts can come back, be healthy and play at the level he was capable of before the injuries.
His situation is pretty similar to Landeskogs with the Avs, and at this point Landy is absolutely without question a negative value cap dump as well. When you're 30+ missing almost 2 entire seasons due to injury, nobody is trading for you.
EDIT: The last time Couturier played a game of hockey was December 18th 2021, that's 17 months ago and by the time October gets here it'll be closing in on 2 years. Nobody is taking a chance on him just by "looking at his medicals" after a damn near 2 year injury absence. He's gotta actually play games for Philly and prove he can play again before anybody considers trading anything of value for him.
ponder719
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And there's the difference of opinion. IMO, a key element of "cap dump" is "dump." If you aren't intending to move a player, they're just expensive. They become a cap dump when you're willing to pay assets to get rid of them.
I guess... I dont think the Flyers have any intention of trading him either. Its more so of IF they wanted to deal him today, it would cost them assets to dump him. But considering the title of the thread is "Value of Couturier" the answer to that question today is negative value.
But yeah its also for that reason that they shouldn't have any interest in moving him as they're not exactly in need of his cap space or roster spot to go compete for a cup anytime soon. Let him come back, see if he can stay healthy and get back to playing at a high level and then by next summer he might have some value around the league... Although even then I dont imagine he would have much value. Next summer he'll be 31 turning 32 in December, signed for 6 more years until he's 38 years old.
Nico Cauzuki
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The + would have to be more valuable than the base. What elite pieces are you offering?
Rebuild doesn't mean you just jettison all your good players, more like swap in ones that don't work with younger ones that do. Especially since tanking in the coming years is much less rewarding than it would have been this year
Keep Konecny and Sanheim, move Provorov because it seems like he's no longer working out in Philly, move Laughton because he's replaceable for a retooling team but has value to a contending team, move Hart because he has huge value but they can voodoo their way to a comparable goalie just being proactive. Couturier is probably unmoveable with the questions around his back
Ledge And Dairy
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So like Eichel... But not nearly as a good a return due to age. You have to assume he's 100% healthy in any trade involving him because no team would consider trading for him if he's notHe hasn't played hockey in over a year due to injury, only played 29 games in 21/22 and he's already on the north side of 30, signed for another 6 years at almost $8M...
He most certainly is a cap dump
