Player Discussion Had Pettersson Regressed?

[Canadian Canuck]

We have to hang on to Petey though…right? What could we even get in return that would be worth it? Lafrieniere? J.Hughes?

 

[VanillaCoke]

Y'all cant see the forest for the trees.

It's not the players fault, look at their entire f***ing careers here for 1 second...

 

[iFan]

Y'all cant see the forest for the trees.

It's not the players fault, look at their entire f***ing careers here for 1 second...

Pettersson play last season and this season isn’t his fault?

 

[KingofSurrey]

E.P. Phone home....

 

[VanillaCoke]

Pettersson play last season and this season isn’t his fault?

Not fully no.
Why has his play regressed, what are the root causes..

Do you think a young star 1C in any of the top 15 franchises just doesn't train over the summers and thats nbd?!

 

[Peen]

Pettersson play last season and this season isn’t his fault?

Pettersson wasn't even bad last year?

He hit the post like forty times and had a slightly slow start? Then got injured?

This season, holy f*** is it ever yikes. Just dogging it, playing like shit

 

[CanucksSayEh]

As a sophomore EP got to go on a playoff run, then comes into the last 2 seasons as the 1c and is totally useless. If anyone should have beef with the higher ups its Bo, dude had no reinforcements until BB.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Pettersson play last season and this season isn’t his fault?

No it’s Benning. Benning destroyed his confidence and told him to eat candy this summer and avoid cardio

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Your posts indicate that you have literally zero understanding of the salary cap or the argument being made, and then you’re doubling down on your ignorance by acting like an asshole and trying for a gotcha moment that doesn’t exist.

That's just untrue. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I struggle to understand the salary cap or 'the argument being made'.
And to be honest, the reason I'm going for a 'gotcha' moment is because I never see accountability from you on your bad takes.

You are knowledgeable about hockey, but I find you myopic and entirely lacking humility or the ability to admit when you are wrong. It gets frustrating, and it's my seeking some accountability since there's a real culture of bullying people for bad takes in the positive direction, I think it's important that the other side is held accountable as well.

If you took the L on that one by the way, I would let it go, but I have only seen you justify why 'in a way' it's like you were right.

 

[likash]

That's just untrue. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I struggle to understand the salary cap or 'the argument being made'.
And to be honest, the reason I'm going for a 'gotcha' moment is because I never see accountability from you on your bad takes.

You are knowledgeable about hockey, but I find you myopic and entirely lacking humility or the ability to admit when you are wrong. It gets frustrating, and it's my seeking some accountability since there's a real culture of bullying people for bad takes in the positive direction, I think it's important that the other side is held accountable as well.

If you took the L on that one by the way, I would let it go, but I have only seen you justify why 'in a way' it's like you were right.

You have been posting non-stop in the last few days blaming everyone on the planet but Jim Benning. Why this sudden posting frenzy? You are arguing with everybody. There is a saying where i'm from: "When 2 or more people tell you that you are drunk , it's better to go and sleep"

 

[MS]

That's just untrue. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I struggle to understand the salary cap or 'the argument being made'.
And to be honest, the reason I'm going for a 'gotcha' moment is because I never see accountability from you on your bad takes.

You are knowledgeable about hockey, but I find you myopic and entirely lacking humility or the ability to admit when you are wrong. It gets frustrating, and it's my seeking some accountability since there's a real culture of bullying people for bad takes in the positive direction, I think it's important that the other side is held accountable as well.

If you took the L on that one by the way, I would let it go, but I have only seen you justify why 'in a way' it's like you were right.

Jesus Christ. I walked you through this like a month ago and you clearly didn't grasp any of it.

I'm wrong all the time. I post a ton of opinions here and obviously lots will turn out to be incorrect. I'm very transparent with that and am constantly discussing mistakes I've made and why and what I've learned from them.

I was wrong on whether Edler was going to bounce back after his 13-14 nightmare. I've said that a million times. Whatever. Lots of people have not liked the trajectory of lots of players at lots of points.

You are unable to get past being triggered by the word 'waivers' and unable to grasp how the cap works.

If I had posted that trading Edler for Stralman was a good idea, nobody would have batted an eye. Most would probably have agreed at that point. But when I propose the *exact same result* by removing Edler and re-investing in a Stralman, people lose their shit. Because they don't understand. And if you don't understand, that's your problem and you look foolish, not me.

AGAIN. I said repeatedly Edler had value. I said he'd never waive his NTC, which was correct. I said that most fans would not have wanted him back if he was a UFA, which was correct. I said the only way to clear his contract and then re-invest in a player trending in a better direction was to waive him, get the cap space, and re-spend it. That was a totally reasonable opinion. But people heard the word 'WAIVERS' and were triggered and in their minds I was saying that Edler was a Brad Hunt level player which was not the case at all.

In a capped league, if you trade a $6 million player for nothing and are a team spending to the cap, you have not actually traded that player for nothing. You have traded that player for what you will then proceed to acquire with the $6 million in another move. Unfortunately, people stuck in 1995 do not grasp this concept.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

You have been posting non-stop in the last few days blaming everyone on the planet but Jim Benning. Why this sudden posting frenzy? You are arguing with everybody. There is a saying where i'm from: "When 2 or more people tell you that you are drunk , it's better to go and sleep"

It's hilarious to me that you keep saying this. I'm not defending Benning, how many times do I have to say it? I want him gone, emphatically.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Jesus Christ. I walked you through this like a month ago and you clearly didn't grasp any of it.

I'm wrong all the time. I post a ton of opinions here and obviously lots will turn out to be incorrect. I'm very transparent with that and am constantly discussing mistakes I've made and why and what I've learned from them.

I was wrong on whether Edler was going to bounce back after his 13-14 nightmare. I've said that a million times. Whatever. Lots of people have not liked the trajectory of lots of players at lots of points.

You are unable to get past being triggered by the word 'waivers' and unable to grasp how the cap works.

If I had posted that trading Edler for Stralman was a good idea, nobody would have batted an eye. Most would probably have agreed at that point. But when I propose the *exact same result* by removing Edler and re-investing in a Stralman, people lose their shit. Because they don't understand. And if you don't understand, that's your problem and you look foolish, not me.

AGAIN. I said repeatedly Edler had value. I said he'd never waive his NTC, which was correct. I said that most fans would not have wanted him back if he was a UFA, which was correct. I said the only way to clear his contract and then re-invest in a player trending in a better direction was to waive him, get the cap space, and re-spend it. That was a totally reasonable opinion. But people heard the word 'WAIVERS' and were triggered and in their minds I was saying that Edler was a Brad Hunt level player which was not the case at all.

In a capped league, if you trade a $6 million player for nothing and are a team spending to the cap, you have not actually traded that player for nothing. You have traded that player for what you will then proceed to acquire with the $6 million in another move. Unfortunately, people stuck in 1995 do not grasp this concept.

You believed this to be true because you thought he was washed, I remember reading a bunch of invectives from you about him. In fact, you and I argued on the point of Edler at the time.

I don't need to be walked through the salary cap or 'opportunity cost', christ this is like a philosophy 100 student deciding they need to explain the world to everyone they know.

 

[likash]

It's hilarious to me that you keep saying this. I'm not defending Benning, how many times do I have to say it? I want him gone, emphatically.

Yet you emphatically blame everyone for this clownshow when by far the biggest culprit is Jimmy.

 

[F A N]

But people heard the word 'WAIVERS' and were triggered

OMG. Asset management fail!

 

[F A N]

That effort on the empty net goal from Petey... I don't know what to say except why not take a penalty if that's what it takes to prevent an almost sure-fire empty net goal?

 

[IslandBeast]

That effort on the empty net goal from Petey... I don't know what to say except why not take a penalty if that's what it takes to prevent an almost sure-fire empty net goal?

There was also a play earlier in the game when I think it was Nyquist got the shorthanded goal off a Tanner Pearson turnover. Petey was first man back on the backcheck and kind of just threw a lazy stick check at him.

 

[Svencouver]

No one should even look in Petterssons direction in terms of "being the problem" until everyone up front is cleaned out. I dont care how bad he's playing or how little effort he's giving, if you dont bet on him and instead point at him instead of management/coaching you're insane

 

[IslandBeast]

No one should even look in Petterssons direction in terms of "being the problem" until everyone up front is cleaned out. I dont care how bad he's playing or how little effort he's giving, if you dont bet on him and instead point at him instead of management/coaching you're insane

He's not "the problem" but he definitely is "a" problem. I don't think anybody is claiming otherwise

 

[Svencouver]

He's not "the problem" but he definitely is "a" problem. I don't think anybody is claiming otherwise

I think it's more like, a problem that he's playing bad. But he's earned so much more rope than management or coaching and should really be re-evaluated after he gets a look with a new coach or whatever. We've all seen what he can do so I'm not worried at all about him getting that back.

 

[F A N]

No one should even look in Petterssons direction in terms of "being the problem" until everyone up front is cleaned out. I dont care how bad he's playing or how little effort he's giving, if you dont bet on him and instead point at him instead of management/coaching you're insane

You don't think Petey's play and lack of production has been a problem? This is our anointed #1 franchise C. Our highest paid forward. A guy most of us wanted to give max term and $$$ to. After talking about wanting to win in the offseason I expect him to contribute to this winning. Fans don't typically blame a star player who puts his team on his back most nights but in a losing effort even if he wants out. Fans typically can excuse a player coming off a long layoff if he's obviously putting in the effort. We're not monsters.

I'm willing to bet on Petey turning things around. That doesn't mean he should escape criticism or that I can't blame anyone else other than management and coaching. Petey is on pace for an 11-12 goal 39-40 point season.

 

[tantalum]

There was also a play earlier in the game when I think it was Nyquist got the shorthanded goal off a Tanner Pearson turnover. Petey was first man back on the backcheck and kind of just threw a lazy stick check at him.

That’s not true. He skated hard and tried the only play he possibly had on a fast player who had a step on him by the time he was in a position to do anything. He didn’t even really have a chance to take a penalty beyond a weak slash. He had a lunging stick check attempt chance and that was the way he went. There was nothing wrong with that effort after being caught flat footed by a bad play. There was something all sorts of wrong with the Pearson pass though.

 

[IslandBeast]

That’s not true. He skated hard and tried the only play he possibly had on a fast player who had a step on him by the time he was in a position to do anything. He didn’t even really have a chance to take a penalty beyond a weak slash. He had a lunging stick check attempt chance and that was the way he went. There was nothing wrong with that effort after being caught flat footed by a bad play. There was something all sorts of wrong with the Pearson pass though.

It was a weak attempt at a check by a physically weak player. Knock his ass to the ground or chop him like a piece of wood. Technically you're right he did "try" but it's not good enough and it hasn't been all year. I'm sick of the excuses from anyone at this point. This isn't the "try" league

 

[tantalum]

It was a weak attempt at a check by a physically weak player. Knock his ass to the ground or chop him like a piece of wood. Technically you're right he did "try" but it's not good enough and it hasn't been all year. I'm sick of the excuses from anyone at this point. This isn't the "try" league

It was the play he had. He was beaten by superior speed through no fault if his own. He was side by side making a lay the lumber or pull the guy down from behind not a great option. Had he done so people would complain about that instead. His play was not a bad one and he barely missed the puck on that stick check. He makes it and everyone talks about his effort and good play. A play he is not even remotely at fault for.

The not a try league is a ridiculous thing to say. Players try and fail to do stuff all the time. And all it says now is the complaint is no longer he didn’t try but didn’t compete the play. Happens hundreds of times a game the play didn’t get completed as planned. That short handed goal was 10p% on Pearson and no one else.

His play hasn’t been good. No one is saying otherwise. There are several players the same can be said about this season so that should make people think a bit that it might just be something else. I don’t understand why people are even judging players for these things right now. The organization is directionless and devoid of leadership. It’s a complete circus. That circus will be reflected by the efforts and achievements of the lower level employees. And despite the millions they make they are the lower level employees. That’s what I’m sick of.

 

[IslandBeast]

It was the play he had. He was beaten by superior speed through no fault if his own. He was side by side making a lay the lumber or pull the guy down from behind not a great option. Had he done so people would complain about that instead. His play was not a bad one and he barely missed the puck on that stick check. He makes it and everyone talks about his effort and good play. A play he is not even remotely at fault for.

The not a try league is a ridiculous thing to say. Players try and fail to do stuff all the time. And all it says now is the complaint is no longer he didn’t try but didn’t compete the play. Happens hundreds of times a game the play didn’t get completed as planned. That short handed goal was 10p% on Pearson and no one else.

His play hasn’t been good. No one is saying otherwise. There are several players the same can be said about this season so that should make people think a bit that it might just be something else. I don’t understand why people are even judging players for these things right now. The organization is directionless and devoid of leadership. It’s a complete circus. That circus will be reflected by the efforts and achievements of the lower level employees. And despite the millions they make they are the lower level employees. That’s what I’m sick of.View attachment 484568

Okay agree to disagree. Players fail all the time, sure, but Petey has been failing consistently so he has no benefit of the doubt, he needs to make things happen. It was a lazy, worthless stick check that failed as was his worthless back check on the EN goal. Blaming a player isn't me trying to take away from our shit management, they are all to blame, they are all shit.

Screenshots do nothing for an argument either. It shows that he was close but close isn't cutting it and it doesn't show the full context of the play. These are just low expectations and excuses. He was 0/2 while trying to stop a goal while being the last man back