Player Discussion Had Pettersson Regressed?

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lawrence

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EP hasn't proven a thing yet in the NHL...trade his ass if he thinks he is bigger than the team

now lets not go this far so quickly. We don't know if he's the locker room issue I personally don't think he is the issue. Him not playing like an offensive center is a huge issue. I truly believe he wants to produce and help the team win. Right now his confidence is probably at an all time low and a rash move over a 20 game spam to get rid of one of our best rookies our team ever has is jumping the gun a little.
 

OldYeller00

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Trade this snob for picks. When the going gets tuff, punks like him disappear. Grab some picks but I’m afraid the return will be minimal.
 

Wo Yorfat

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EP will be fine. Clearly playing with zero passion right now, but this is yet another pointless season so I could give a shit. Whether he's pouting because he's sad about the pitiful state of the team or maybe dealing with some sort of tragedy or something, I fully expect him to right the ship sooner than later. Trading him right now for a non premium return would legitimately be beyond JB's stupidity capacity.
 

MarkusNaslund19

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Yes, I was very worried about Edler being washed. This is not some sort of 'gotcha'. I've discussed this endlessly for the last 8 years, and explained where my thought process came from that turned out wrong. We had just watched Keith Ballard crater in the 10-11 season after an injury, could have traded him in the summer of 2011, and then went back to him and got stuck with a negative-value albatross. Edler's situation in 2014 reminded me of that situation and I thought the best option would be to get out of that contract and re-invest it in another defender who was trending better. And this was not a controversial opinion at the time. Again, if Edler had been a UFA in 2014 probably 70-80% of this board would have been against re-signing him.

And what I learned from that was that I probably underrated the impact a bad situation can have on a player. And this is why, in a similar situation in 2021, I'm adamant that you don't trade a Pettersson until you fix the GM/coach disaster and see how he performs refreshed in a refreshed situation.

That you continue to go back 8 years for this is ... weird. Everyone here has projected players wrong, including Edler. Most of this board wanted to take a 2nd rounder for Kesler. Sedin Sisters stuff went on for years. People called Tanev a 'skinny #5 with no shot' and were still doing so when he was obviously an elite top-pairing shutdown defender.

The only reason my opinion was controversial was the 'WAIVERS!' thing. And the waivers thing was only because most of the people on this board were trying to trade Edler while I was trying to explain that he would not waive his NTC so trading him was impossible, and this was the only way around it. And this was 100% correct. And if you're still trying to pull the 'LOL YOU WANTED TO WAIVE EDLER!' thing as though I was saying that Edler=current Brad Hunt, you are either a) trolling by deliberately misrepresenting my argument or b) showing zero understanding of the argument that was being made.
Actually, I think this is the most humility I think I have seen you show while explaining this.

I get that the difference between he and Hunt in your eyes was that getting rid of Edler would mean +6million in cap space, but it was still a bad assessment and I was arguing at the time that he was beaten down by Torts and was too good to stay this bad.

My point isn't to relitigate the point 8 years later to rub your nose in it, but because I think you're a really knowledgeable poster who (IMO) has struggled at times to admit when you are wrong.

Regardless, this Canucks team is an abortion and it's bringing out the worst in a lot of us. I could have been more tactful and I apologize for that.


I will offer a take that's not looking great by me as a mea culpa.
It's looking like Pearson might be washed. I was a defender of his re-signing seeing it as the regime learning that you can't throw out all of the vets in your dressing room like Tanev, Markstrom (who they were right to get rid of), and Stecher without it having repercussions.

I also figured that with him taking a pay cut, it couldn't be too bad of a thing.

Actually, I'm a little bullish that if he gets finally taken away from Horvat and placed with Dickinson on a devoted shutdown line he could still be decent, but currently it looks like a bad investment. He has lost his wheels and is playing like a liability.
 

sting101

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Actually, I think this is the most humility I think I have seen you show while explaining this.

I get that the difference between he and Hunt in your eyes was that getting rid of Edler would mean +6million in cap space, but it was still a bad assessment and I was arguing at the time that he was beaten down by Torts and was too good to stay this bad.

My point isn't to relitigate the point 8 years later to rub your nose in it, but because I think you're a really knowledgeable poster who (IMO) has struggled at times to admit when you are wrong.

Regardless, this Canucks team is an abortion and it's bringing out the worst in a lot of us. I could have been more tactful and I apologize for that.


I will offer a take that's not looking great by me as a mea culpa.
It's looking like Pearson might be washed. I was a defender of his re-signing seeing it as the regime learning that you can't throw out all of the vets in your dressing room like Tanev, Markstrom (who they were right to get rid of), and Stecher without it having repercussions.

I also figured that with him taking a pay cut, it couldn't be too bad of a thing.

Actually, I'm a little bullish that if he gets finally taken away from Horvat and placed with Dickinson on a devoted shutdown line he could still be decent, but currently it looks like a bad investment. He has lost his wheels and is playing like a liability.
Why the hell does all the young core guys get passes for this crap yet the vets get none? Pearson has never been a great individual player or talent. He's a complimentary winger who's responsible and can win board battles. If the team was playing well he would be just fine on the 2nd or 3rd line LW but look around everyone looks like crap. For the love of god it wasn't till the last 2 weeks that people calmed down with the Miller hate.

The team is a collective mess and haven't had buy in or much scoring to date. I'm not overly bullish with opinions on anyone right now. They gotta get the ship righted first.
 

TraderJim

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My point isn't to relitigate the point 8 years later to rub your nose in it, but because I think you're a really knowledgeable poster who (IMO) has struggled at times to admit when you are wrong.
Wow, talk about no self awareness at all.
 

iFan

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EP will be fine. Clearly playing with zero passion right now, but this is yet another pointless season so I could give a shit. Whether he's pouting because he's sad about the pitiful state of the team or maybe dealing with some sort of tragedy or something, I fully expect him to right the ship sooner than later. Trading him right now for a non premium return would legitimately be beyond JB's stupidity capacity.

but his reaction to adversity is a huge concern, if he will just say f*** it and quit like this how’s he going to lead the team to a cup? because that’s a tough road with many injuries you play through. We’re seeing a lot of our core young guys being so ok with just giving up, that’s not how winners act. What it really comes down to is do we want a cup or to be a playoff team that can win a round or two before packing it in.
 
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mathonwy

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but his reaction to adversity is a huge concern, if he will just say f*** it and quit like this how’s he going to lead the team to a cup? because that’s a tough road with many injuries you play through. We’re seeing a lot of our core young guys being so ok with just giving up, that’s not how winners act. What it really comes down to is do we want a cup or to be a playoff team that can win a round or two before packing it in.
His reaction to adversity is the same as mine.

Tank it into the shitter.
 

iFan

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His reaction to adversity is the same as mine.

Tank it into the shitter.

its a dangerous mindset to have your players buy into. When things get tough in the playoffs this is the reaction we can expect from some of these players.
 

mathonwy

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its a dangerous mindset to have your players buy into. When things get tough in the playoffs this is the reaction we can expect from some of these players.
anything can happen in the playoffs. It’s true. It’s damn true.
 

OldYeller00

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EP will be fine. Clearly playing with zero passion right now, but this is yet another pointless season so I could give a shit. Whether he's pouting because he's sad about the pitiful state of the team or maybe dealing with some sort of tragedy or something, I fully expect him to right the ship sooner than later. Trading him right now for a non premium return would legitimately be beyond JB's stupidity capacity.
Clearly?! Your a joke. Playing cuz he has zero passion ? This is the dumbest excuse ever . Petey is a bitch with incentives. f*** him.
 
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OldYeller00

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No motivation needed. The only motivation is the pipeline going through Burnaby. And it’s almost done. Hockey is only an escape from work reality. Canucks and Bambi (Petey) are a depressant. f*** these guys. Get some men on the team, who cares about New aged f*** boy toys.
 
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sandwichbird2023

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but his reaction to adversity is a huge concern, if he will just say f*** it and quit like this how’s he going to lead the team to a cup? because that’s a tough road with many injuries you play through. We’re seeing a lot of our core young guys being so ok with just giving up, that’s not how winners act. What it really comes down to is do we want a cup or to be a playoff team that can win a round or two before packing it in.
It wasn't the cup but Petey looked fine leading us past the Wild and Blues, and help us took a much better team in Vegas to game 7 (although most credit goes to Demko that round).
People can say EP is weak, skinny and slow, but he's always been like that and it never stop him from dominating, even as a 19 year old rookie. Now he is presumably stronger and heavier, suddenly his strength and weight becomes a problem? That doesn't make sense to me. His struggle should be more mental than physical because he should be entering his physical peak right now.
 
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Billy Kvcmu

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The best move is the keep him until you fired JB
You will never win a EP trade if you let JB does it
Anyone with a brain cell can predict that he's gonna become good again with a different organization while we get fleeced in the trade
 
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IslandBeast

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No motivation needed. The only motivation is the pipeline going through Burnaby. And it’s almost done. Hockey is only an escape from work reality. Canucks and Bambi (Petey) are a depressant. f*** these guys. Get some men on the team, who cares about New aged f*** boy toys.

Saying it's a mans game and you need MEN to win is considered offensive nowadays especially in a market like Vancouver. No offence
 
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BWJM

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Pettersson has to be feeling some serious heat.. yikes.
 

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Pettersson has to be feeling some serious heat.. yikes.

I don’t think anyone in the room is feeling heat or they really shouldn’t be. The only heat right now should be on the front office and then the coaching staff.

I don’t know what going on with him but I’m not writing him off until everything up top changes. New leadership/coaching can do wonders for players.
 
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scorpiorising

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13 mins played tonight. I generally avoid the Canucks board but God damn he's playing bad.

Like no effort, no passion, no confidence bad...
 

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Nomobo

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No motivation needed. The only motivation is the pipeline going through Burnaby. And it’s almost done. Hockey is only an escape from work reality. Canucks and Bambi (Petey) are a depressant. f*** these guys. Get some men on the team, who cares about New aged f*** boy toys.
Testosterone levels have been in decline for some time now, nobody’s fault.
 
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