Player Discussion Had Pettersson Regressed?

[cc]

he seems overall slower.
I wonder what his offseason training was like. He doesn't seem to have improved any facet of his game at all.

 

[Pip]

I wonder what his offseason training was like.

 

[iFan]

I remember when a few of us were concerned about how much time he was spending on social media and where his attention was.

Last night they spoke about how EP40 talked about how he spent to much time on social media and his image rather than hockey. The kid needs mentorship right now and I don't think we have enough on the ice, but we will see.

His lacrosse style cradling on the PP is a a bit awkward. Allows the goalie time to get square up and wait for his shot. Year ago he was one timing them or was touching it and shooting it in the same movement.

mentorship doesn’t need to be on ice… Sedins can be great mentors for him. I also think Horvat would be there for him and I believe he’s a great leader for this team.

 

[Dab]

He either lets his “me against the world” attitude drive him to success because he has a chip on his shoulder or he lets it get to him and pouts. I want to see more of the first guy less of the second.

 

[Dab]

he seems overall slower.
I wonder what his offseason training was like. He doesn't seem to have improved any facet of his game at all.

Lots of posting
Lots of dms
Lots of video games
Lots of talking with his agent
Lots of flying around business class during a pandemic

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

Pettersson has simply reached the limits of what he can achieve with the Canucks. He needs (and deserves) a move to a bigger, more successful club. I think he's smart enough to realize this.

 

[iFan]

Pettersson has simply reached the limits of what he can achieve with the Canucks. He needs (and deserves) a move to a bigger, more successful club. I think he's smart enough to realize this.

this is so far from the issue it blows my mind this is what you believe. This is 100% on Pettersson, look at the players he has around him… Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Hoglander, Garland, OEL, Hughes if he can’t find his game with those players it’s on him 100%. Our coaching staff is horrible for sure and needs to be upgraded no arguments there but it’s not holding back Horvat, OEL has turned his game around, Hughes has been great. This is a Pettersson issues.

 

[Melvin]

I think one of the more telling stats so far is that through 7 games Pettersson has not drawn a penalty, at least according to NST. This is an area where he is usually among the league leaders, and speaks directly of his play style. He is usually so good with the puck, and so crafty, defenders often take penalties trying to stop him. This year Petey just turns the puck over with very little pressure. It's alarming.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Pettersson has simply reached the limits of what he can achieve with the Canucks. He needs (and deserves) a move to a bigger, more successful club. I think he's smart enough to realize this.

What does any of this even mean?

 

[Scorvat]

this is so far from the issue it blows my mind this is what you believe. This is 100% on Pettersson, look at the players he has around him… Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Hoglander, Garland, OEL, Hughes if he can’t find his game with those players it’s on him 100%. Our coaching staff is horrible for sure and needs to be upgraded no arguments there but it’s not holding back Horvat, OEL has turned his game around, Hughes has been great. This is a Pettersson issues.

This is not connected to what the person qouted, but I know if he ever left this team and joined a team with a proper system, player development and accountably that he will reach his superstar potential

And while I agree with you about it being his fault mostly for his poor play I disagree about Horvat and others. Besides the big goals to me he looks worse then any previous year and Miller has looked disinterested and bozo-like since preseason. Boeser seems sluggish and lethargic.

The entire forward group minus Garland and Hog(though his turnovers are getting worse and worse) have been lackluster since training camp. Major concern going forward

 

[VanJack]

I don't know if the league has gotten quicker over last season; or whether Petterrson is still feeling the effects of missing half the season last year and more than half of training camp this year.

But the thing you notice so far, is how slow he looks through the neutral zone. He's getting routinely flagged down from behind, before he even gets in over the blueline. So when he starts stickhandling, he's easy to check or knock off the puck. And once he has to engage in a puck battle, he's going to come out second-best.

It's forcing Green to throw his lines into a blender to find a trio that can work.....he often goes back to the Lotto Line at some point in a game....but they haven't been effective at all.

 

[Killer Orcas]

He missed a good chunk of last season and preseason now. I'd give him a few more games before start worrying too much. Missing that much time is not easy to then jump right back in. He needs to work on it and put in the time now. I'll be worried myself if he's not back to himself by the 15-20 game mark.

 

[iFan]

This is not connected to what the person qouted, but I know if he ever left this team and joined a team with a proper system, player development and accountably that he will reach his superstar potential

And while I agree with you about it being his fault mostly for his poor play I disagree about Horvat and others. Besides the big goals to me he looks worse then any previous year and Miller has looked disinterested and bozo-like since preseason. Boeser seems sluggish and lethargic.

The entire forward group minus Garland and Hog(though his turnovers are getting worse and worse) have been lackluster since training camp. Major concern going forward

even if Horvat has looked worse than past seasons, he’s still finding ways to make a big impact in the game something Pettersson isn’t doing at all. Boeser is Boeser… you’ll forget he’s on the team because he goes invisible then he becomes a clutch goal scorer for us. He is what he is.

Our coaching staff sucks and needs to be completely overhauled, excluding Clark, he’s great!. I don’t disagree at all about how horrible Green and his minions are at their job and is the biggest issue this team currently faces.

 

[Breakers]

If he looks like this at the 20 game mark with the his current underlying numbers

Then this organization needs to be seriously F'n worried.

 

[mossey3535]

I think he's out of hockey shape both physically and mentally.

All the forwards are toiling under a system that they know doesn't let them succeed and win games. I think that is keeping the whole team from really trying to their utmost.

Even with this "re-tooled" one player forecheck, they haven't really improved their neutral zone defence and once they get into their own zone AND even when they try to break out after managing to get out of their zone they don't seem to be able to transition the puck unless Hughes is on the ice. And even then he has to pass to his d-partner sometimes.

Coaching is dragging about 10-20% off EP's effort so far, the rest is definitely on his lack of preparation. We'll see what's what with him around the 15 game mark IMO.

 

[KingofSurrey]

EP's season so far...

 

[digger1188]

I think we’re simply seeing the real Petterson. He came into the league hot and played the best hockey of his career. Thankfully it’s a bridge deal. I said it at the time and I’ll say it again. The Canucks should have let him sit until he was offer sheeted and moved on. What better player do we lose now, because he was bridged? Boeser, Miller? The Canucks play in their own end is currently some of the worst that I’ve ever seen by an NHL team. Way too many botched clearing attempts, way too many straight up giveaways. Horrible looking breakouts. Zero structure. The D corps needs some serious help and this coaching staff is not capable of fixing these issues. The only way to fix this D under our current cap mess is to lose a high priced forward, and at this point Petterson is hands down the guy who will gain you the most return, while giving you the least loss. He’s a munchkin out there with zero speed. A liability. The issues the Canucks have in their own end are not new, and they aren’t all on the defensemen. The forwards need to get into better positions to accept passes and get the damn pucks out. The concerning part to me is these own zone problems are appearing to be getting worse as time goes on.

 

[eviohh26]

He needs to stfu and play. He has alot to prove . And im waiting.

 

[F A N]

I think Petey's recent struggles might be good for him. He's always been prickly when it comes to questions about his weight and obviously his summer comments about wanting to win created a lot of discussion. All of this is fine when you're doing your part and carrying the team. It's unacceptable when you're not.

I referenced earlier about the changes MacKinnon made to go from great player to truly elite. McDavid working on his one-timers. Crosby has always been known for his off-ice preparation. If Petey wants to even be remotely play himself into the conversation he needs to realize that natural talent only gets him so far.

 

[Szechwan]

Looks like a guy that's been putting a focus on bulking up, and has lost some speed and agility as a result.

His first step isn't there ands he can't create the separation that he needs to do his thing as a result. I can could on one hand the number of times he's looked legit dangerous off the rush, most of the time he's overtaken by the backchecker and has to pull up and look for the trailer.

 

[Peen]

I miss 2019 Pettersson

 

[rypper]

A month from now we'll all look back at this thread, some of us will laugh, some will feel shame, and some will get the Pettersson death stare.

 

[F A N]

A month from now we'll all look back at this thread, some of us will laugh, some will feel shame, and some will get the Pettersson death stare.

For the record, I completely believe that he can turn things around and be the great player that he has been. I think that he is capable of carrying the team on his back and contribute to the winning that he wants. I only think he needs better off-ice commitment to join the truly elite group of players that he is capable of joining.

 

[rypper]

For the record, I completely believe that he can turn things around and be the great player that he has been. I think that he is capable of carrying the team on his back and contribute to the winning that he wants. I only think he needs better off-ice commitment to join the truly elite group of players that he is capable of joining.

The stories that came out about him from his rookie season, where he was always the last guy to leave practice because he'd stay out working on skills. So much so that other guys on the team started joining him.

I don't know if drive and work ethic like that goes away. We don't get the same kind of reports about it that we did before though. I guess with covid and his injuries it's possible it could have stopped. I'd be interested in reaching out to Drance or Jeff Paterson to see if it still happens.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

The stories that came out about him from his rookie season, where he was always the last guy to leave practice because he'd stay out working on skills. So much so that other guys on the team started joining him.

I don't know if drive and work ethic like that goes away. We don't get the same kind of reports about it that we did before though. I guess with covid and his injuries it's possible it could have stopped. I'd be interested in reaching out to Drance or Jeff Paterson to see if it still happens.

I believe he had the passion, got a taste of "playoff success." Saw his mentors and teammates in Tanev, Stetcher, Markstrom and Edler leave, and has sulked and pouted ever since, and has now mentally checked out like how Naslund did in 2008.