Speculation: Habs Mega Thread

[TheNumber4]

Holy crap. Just tank already. You had your cincerella miracle run. Fun stuff. Time to do what the organization has needed for years, TANK.

 

[SoupNazi]

This can't possibly go wrong...

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Meh, they'll turn it around.

No need to panic quite yet.

 

[Djp]

A shake up trade is a 5-7 player trade. These rarely happen in a season, if they do they occur mid November-early dec.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Somehow losing both Danault AND Kotkaniemi and replacing Weber by Savard = Bergevin's 2021 offseason


The Hoff was a good contract but still, Holy Shit

 

[StephenPeat]

Chiarot for a late first or second plus a prospect
Kulak for a 4th
Wideman for a 7th if anyone takes it
Paquette and Perreault for any asset

It won't be much. Something funky will happen in the offseason though. MB will see Chiarot getting traded as leaving a hole on the left side and will start swinging to fill it. He'll sign a Zadorov or a Ristolainen when the fans want him to get us Klingberg or Lindholm.

This idea needs to die yesterday. Not happening unless Bergevin is trading with himself.

 

[JT Kreider]

Settle the storm? He IS the storm.

 

[StephenPeat]

Ben Chiarot played 25+ minutes a night on a run to the cup finals but he's a bottom pairing dman?

That playoff performance alone will make him worth quite a bit. But ya know he's a number 5 according to HF.

The Habs made a miraculous run in the easiest of a bunch of haphazard divisions the NHL created because of COVID. The Results thus far into the season should convince you all you need to know. The portion of a Regular Season Chiarot has spent as a First Pairing DMan on the unintentional basement of The League will weigh far more heavily than any imagined contribution he made to a run that was an absolute fluke never to be repeated again. Chiarot is a number 5 according to his play. He’s a number 1 according to the strength of the Habs DCore. I’ll let you decide which is a better indicator.

 

[belair]

I don't understand what u mean.

Dvorak is horrible and just about as useless as a player can be. We played him in a bunch of different lines. Hes useless and has no determination to play. Hes also a big reason why our PK sucks.

As for a position to succeed? We played him on the second line with good offensive linemates in Drouin and Anderson. He barely had any points and although that line was prob our best it certainly was not due to his play. Drouin was by far the best habs player in the first few games

He was doing fine in Arizona. Was a decent play in deeper fantasy leagues. Okay second line production and matched up well in secondary assignments. He's a complimentary center that can support more offensively skilled wingers.

I haven't watched the Habs enough to comment, but they're not exactly outmatching their opponents in terms of depth this season.

 

[Buck Dancer]

With all those horrible deals on the books, even if other teams are interested in certain players on the Habs roster, they won’t get fair value for most of the pieces they want to move.

With that said, I’d take Petry in a heartbeat, who’s probably the best moveable asset you guys have.

 

[StephenPeat]

I’m not sure I understand your point? The guy thinks Scandella is better than Chiarot. I can disagree with him but it’s his opinion.

Au contraire. I don’t think either is better than the other, rather they’re indistinguishable. St. Louis overpaid for Scandella and he still didn’t return a 1st. 2020 POs were undeniably a once-in-a-lifetime circumstance trying to equate anything to them or justify any stance because of them is asinine. St. Louis thought that coming off a Stanley Cup, with a weak Division and unpredictable League, anyone could win and they were willing to overpay for Scandella to try and take advantage. You can hold your breath that Lightning strikes twice. Meanwhile the rest of us will bet the same amount that the same Sun comes up tomorrow. It’s possible you’re right and this thread will be a cute retrospection next year. I’m betting you’re wrong and Chiarot isn’t traded or, if he is, returns something much more in line with his true status likely a late-2nd with a possible later pick in tow.

 

[LTIR]

Anderson with some retention for Holloway +

+ quality depends upon retention.

 

[McSuper]

These threads never go well . you will have fans calling players bust because their development isn't where they would like . You will get fans post lopsided trades that Montreal fans posted in the past . Thread will be come a joke . I skimmed thru and already seen one of the bust comments the fan posting it must have a crystal ball and should be hired immediately for a scout in timbuktu or maybe even never never land .

 

[abo9]

Robertson, (Kerfoot & Holl) - Flip for Picks, and Picks
for
Josh Anderson

Nylander - Matthews - Anderson
Bunting - Tavares - Marner

Honestly I'd probab'y like to do that to get rid of that contract and we have too many RW's anyway.

+ Robertson seems like a decent enough prospect already on his way development-wise (though other posters probab'y know better).

MTL can ise Kerfoot/Holl in the meantime and can flip them for picks as you suggest.

Seems like a good fit for both teams. Unfortunstely probab'y doesnt happen because, while I said Anderson is not that great, he's still a powerhorse and would fill a big need for Toronto - Montreal's big rival...

 

[Stubu]

He usually does. I can't ever think of a time that he hasn't made a trade here and there to shake things up.

Who do you think they'll trade and who's on their radar?

What storm?

The season has only started. Give it a dozen more games before the doom and gloom posts.

Calm down. It's too early to start surging around like some southern team, lol

 

[admiralcadillac]

Au contraire. I don’t think either is better than the other, rather they’re indistinguishable. St. Louis overpaid for Scandella and he still didn’t return a 1st. 2020 POs were undeniably a once-in-a-lifetime circumstance trying to equate anything to them or justify any stance because of them is asinine. St. Louis thought that coming off a Stanley Cup, with a weak Division and unpredictable League, anyone could win and they were willing to overpay for Scandella to try and take advantage. You can hold your breath that Lightning strikes twice. Meanwhile the rest of us will bet the same amount that the same Sun comes up tomorrow. It’s possible you’re right and this thread will be a cute retrospection next year. I’m betting you’re wrong and Chiarot isn’t traded or, if he is, returns something much more in line with his true status likely a late-2nd with a possible later pick in tow.

You’re saying Scandella is indistinguishable from Chiarot lol?

 

[abo9]

Hopefully, either Lehkonen or Armia for Dylan Strome.
Also, try and sign Sami Vatanen if his European contract has an out-clause, and waive any of Savard, Wideman, Niku, or Kulak. Defense is simply the worst in the last decade or so.

Worst than Petry - Schlemko - Benn - Morrow - Mete - Jerabek - Juulsen ???

I think even the year after (Petry, Weber, Reilly, Mete, Kulak, Benn) was worst than this year's D.

It's maybe #3 in the past 5 years

 

[OilersCoffeeArtBeer]

What storm?

The season has only started. Give it a dozen more games before the doom and gloom posts.

Calm down. It's too early to start surging around like some southern team, lol

That roster isn't gonna win shit.
Maybe the odd Game if price stands on his head.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

On a contender looking for depth and beef? And if Montreal retains at 50%? I think there is a strong possibility that he returns a first. He’s got his warts, but he plays extremely physical and is an excellent penalty killing defenseman. The obvious main factor will be the market - who’s going to be made available and what will the cost be - but if there’s a contending team loading up that needs some toughness on the back end? I think it’s highly possible that he’ll return a first.

 

[StephenPeat]

You’re saying Scandella is indistinguishable from Chiarot lol?

In that TODAY on a contending team they both belong on a Third Pairing with Special Teams assignments and occasional 4D usage? Yes, yes I do.

 

[Qwijibo]

Anderson with some retention for Holloway +

+ quality depends upon retention.

Op lists Anderson as an untouchable. Edmonton fan promptly makes a proposal for Anderson AND asks for retention

 

[ismelofhockey]

Bergevin horribly misread the roster following their improbable yet impressive run. I don’t think any in season moves would significantly change anything. I’d keep my ears open to see if I can shed any questionable long term deals and hopefully be able to trade a few vet pieces at the deadline for picks.

He unexpectedly lost his #1D, his #1G, and his #2C. It wasn't a question of "misreading the roster".

 

[Barnaby]

He unexpectedly lost his #1D, his #1G, and his #2C. It wasn't a question of "misreading the roster".

He knew they had an improbable run last year. He knew about Price injury. He knew Weber was probably done. He knew Danault wasn’t likely to return.

He absolutely misread the roster. He thought they were going to compete by adding Savard and Dvorak. He probably thought Suzuki and Canfield were ready to pick up the slack. They weren’t (though I do like both long term).

 

[Jeune Poulet]

The person that needs to shake things up right now is not Bergevin. It's Geoff Molson.

The first order of business is to fire Bergevin. Nothing's gonna work until that happens.

 

[Nevins]

It may depend on the return of Price and Edmundson who will solidify the defense which is the Habs' biggest weakness, but players like Lekonen, Armia or Toffoli could be offered for reinforcement in the defense and in the center.