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HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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all our players are worthless in this thread so it can't be much . from what i've learned he wouldn't make the senators roster
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Price at $6m for 4+ years could be very bad… could be OK too.
Koskinen is bad at $4.5m but we only have that contract for the remainder of this season.
I would love to have Price, but when you consider it probably will cost only a 2nd + B-tier prospect to get MAF instead ... is it really worth paying through the ass for Price?
Great goalie, but Montreal would have to retain so much money which would come at the cost of so many picks, prospects that you're probably just better off giving Chicago a 2nd at the deadline for MAF.
Broberg for example has 9 points in his first 12 AHL games, that's a higher scoring rate (far higher actually) than Klefbom or Nurse did in the AHL. Do you really want to be giving away that player?
And out of respect for Price I would still consider doing it, but I think there are just far cheaper options and realistically I don't think a team will ever retain $4 million on any player for multiple years.
I think it would be great for hockey in general to see McDavid, Draisaitl, and Price team up, but the salary dynamics of it and what Montreal would have to be compensated for versus what the cost of other goalie upgrades would be ... it's just tough. Not impossible, but tough. If I'm Edmonton and Montreal is looking to retool/rebuild sure I try and make it work, but I'm just not seeing how it would.
A 3rd team like Arizona would probably have to be involved to retain salary, but again how many picks is Edmonton willing to give away. Certainly some, but there has to be a line in the sand too.
Great goalie, but Montreal would have to retain so much money which would come at the cost of so many picks, prospects that you're probably just better off giving Chicago a 2nd at the deadline for MAF.
Broberg for example has 9 points in his first 12 AHL games, that's a higher scoring rate (far higher actually) than Klefbom or Nurse did in the AHL. Do you really want to be giving away that player?
And out of respect for Price I would still consider doing it, but I think there are just far cheaper options and realistically I don't think a team will ever retain $4 million on any player for multiple years.
I think it would be great for hockey in general to see McDavid, Draisaitl, and Price team up, but the salary dynamics of it and what Montreal would have to be compensated for versus what the cost of other goalie upgrades would be ... it's just tough. Not impossible, but tough. If I'm Edmonton and Montreal is looking to retool/rebuild sure I try and make it work, but I'm just not seeing how it would.
A 3rd team like Arizona would probably have to be involved to retain salary, but again how many picks is Edmonton willing to give away. Certainly some, but there has to be a line in the sand too.
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The only way I think a deal like this could work is something like this (three way)
To MTL:
Barrie, Koskinen (expiring cap dump), Yamamoto, EDM 1st 2022
To EDM:
Price (2 mill retained by MTL, 2 mill retained by ARI), Crouse@50% retained, Chiarot @50% retained (rental player)
To ARI:
EDM 1st 2023, Kassian
And even this, two 1sts, plus Yamamoto (another 1st round pick) is a lot to give up for Price (if Seattle wasn't f***ing stupid, maybe they should've just picked Price for the purposes of flipping him later, because they probably could've gotten a number of good picks for him).
To MTL:
Barrie, Koskinen (expiring cap dump), Yamamoto, EDM 1st 2022
To EDM:
Price (2 mill retained by MTL, 2 mill retained by ARI), Crouse@50% retained, Chiarot @50% retained (rental player)
To ARI:
EDM 1st 2023, Kassian
And even this, two 1sts, plus Yamamoto (another 1st round pick) is a lot to give up for Price (if Seattle wasn't f***ing stupid, maybe they should've just picked Price for the purposes of flipping him later, because they probably could've gotten a number of good picks for him).
Nico Cauzuki
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exactly wasnt a knock on Boeser i would love to have him but our 1st should be a lottery pick
Pyrophorus
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I think Carey Price would love to play with McDavid and Draisaitl, sure. That's not the issue. He's a Western Canadian kid anyway.
Everybody talks about Boesers qualifying offer........
Everbody knows how that works right..........
No way Boeser signs a 1 year deal, unless he is choosing to walk, so who ever has him , will sign a multi-year deal, with a cap hit lesst than the 8 million..........
Everone uses that as a scare tactic...............but for most contracts, it is not a real concern
Sure it happens, but just not that often...........
Everbody knows how that works right..........
No way Boeser signs a 1 year deal, unless he is choosing to walk, so who ever has him , will sign a multi-year deal, with a cap hit lesst than the 8 million..........
Everone uses that as a scare tactic...............but for most contracts, it is not a real concern
Sure it happens, but just not that often...........
Archijerej
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Look, another shooting winger!
We absolutely need to add those. It's not like we have plenty of those not scoring, because there's no one outside Suzuki to pass them the puck.
We absolutely need to add those. It's not like we have plenty of those not scoring, because there's no one outside Suzuki to pass them the puck.
Habs Halifax
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I'm not being disingenuous. I'm familiar to some degree but not with their salaries and contract terms. I was like 13 years old in 93 and not even sure cap friendly existed then.
Basically, you think you found an example but you are not providing the context to support it. Can you find it? Not sure. I know I can't. Not saying you are wright or wrong but a shit load more context is required to verify it. My gut tells me the contract terms they moved out are not the same as what we would have to do today. I'm firm on that until you can provide the context to change my mind?
Habs Halifax
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I am not sure Chiarot gets a 1st. That's hard to determine cause each deadline varies in value and supply/demand is a big factor. I would say Chiarot might get two 2nd's though.
Habs Halifax
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1) Nobody cares about Koskinen. He's a pending UFA and it's for cap reasons. Do you really think we are taking him for value?
2) Price at $6M is gold. I agree there and it's the only way we can trade him where teams can fit him in so that's why I proposed the idea. Habs won't need that cap space while we rebuild
3) You want a proven young roster player coming the other way. Fair but that strategy might back fire on you cause teams looking to add Price want to keep their current roster in place... cup runs. They would consider futures and is a 1st and Broberg worth it? I would say that is a starting point and I would engage more on it. Cause like you said, Price at $6M (A Healthy Price) is gold.
Habs Halifax
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Chiarot might get a 1st but I'm doubtful. I think he gets two 2nd's kind of return.
But with Price, we are far apart. If Price is healthy and we will find that out soon. Playing in the Olympics and we get to see where he stands at the deadline. He's not a negative asset at this point. With all due respect, that is a horrible take. Fleury just won the Vezina at age 36. You put goalies like Fleury or Price on a good team and they will give that team a boost!
Sure, you don't value Price. That's your choice. This idea was about giving the Oilers a substantial goalie for cup runs at a very good AAV rate. If Price is healthy come deadline, he has more value than you might realize if we consider moving him with retention and he is willing to waive his NMC to go to a contender.
Habs Halifax
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I think if the Habs are willing to retain and Price is asked to go to a contender, he waives and it's a deal that is workable. Price at $6M is gold and Habs can't rebuild until we move him. Reality. No doubt in my mind that he waives to play with McDavid and Drai
Habs Halifax
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It's up to the Oilers to decide that. Price has had injury issues lately but he has shown his true form in back to back playoffs. If you are low on Price at $6M, that's your choice.
A bigger chance Price disappoints than a late 1st and Broberg busting? Do you want to try to prove that? Good luck
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