Post-Game Talk: Habs lose two straight to Ottawa

[OnTheRun]

Does the NHL situation room have an official coin that they flip to decide some of the stuff they do which they usually get wrong. Heads the goal counts. Tails the goal doesn't count. Mickey mouse league.

Well if you read the rules you will notice that it written in such a way that it involve borderline mind reading to determine players "intention".
In the current case it was determined that Gally didn't do enough to allow the goalie to reset (mostly because he stayed in the paint after the contact) but with such interpretive rules you will always have issues of consistency since the final call is pretty much based on the opinion of the reviewer.

 

[Runner77]

I don't see how Bergevin can survive firing a second coach.

I can. Look how he survived the debacle he created 3 years ago. Geoff is clueless.

 

[sheed36]

On the broadcast, Miller says he gets spun around. When you see the replay, you clearly see Murray spinning himself around.

Yup Murray sold that one and the NHL fell for it. Oh well on to the next game.

 

[sbhatt]

Plenty went wrong in tonight's game, but Carey Price letting in two soft goals was the biggest factor of them all. Sick and tired of the rodeo clown's crap at this point.

The abysmal powerplay, taking too many penalties, some really terrible play by our D-men, and the inability of many of our forwards to complete simple tape to tape passes were the other stand-out issues.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Yup Murray sold that one and the NHL fell for it. Oh well on to the next game.

Yup. Over and done with. And even if the Habs got shafted with that one, they need to get their act together overall.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Nobody cares about that stupid requirement except for the organization. Not even the French media IMO.

Also, French can be learned..especially if it's limited to hockey talk.

Or, just use a translator. If it's good enough for diplomatic relations it should be fine for hockey.

 

[Supersonic]

Guys,

i’m having a really bad time being a habs fan right now

I want off Mr BurgerVan’s wild ride

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Man he gave 25m for 5 years to Julien
didnt make the playoff 1 time.

He wasted 25m US$ of Molson into that. Lmfao.
I really wonder what Molson is thinking about all this.

He's thinking the Condo sells are doing grrrrrrrrreat!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It’s visible that either he’s just not into the game anymore, severely lacking focus, or is just not as good with age.

I’m always watching him closely, and he’s very often not in proper position and not set for the shot or a deke. He plays REALLY deep in his net now for some reason, and is also playing much smaller than in past years. It makes no sense, since he’s also slower and very visibly so. Not sure if his constant leg injuries has made him change his style to a less dynamic style.

he doesn’t battle to find the puck much anymore, he’s always looking down and through players instead of standing more upright and looking above and around like he did during his prime.

he’s also guessing on a lot of shots. Teams know to throw the puck at the net from far since Price has a lot of difficulty picking up pucks through players. That PP goal by the rookie was completely along the ice and didn’t get deflected at all, yet Price guessed it was going up in his pads (check his glove positioning hoping it hits him in the gut). He also guessed on Tkatchuk’s 2nd goal... he guessed there was going to be a pass, and didn’t manage to pick up a weak shot along the ice which just slid into the net at 5km/h.

he’s just off in every way this season.

I disagree with most of what you've written here.

His positioning is just fine. For all the moaning about him 'being on his knees' he's done a great job of in close shots. He's played really awesome for the most part actually.

But... he gives up these stupid goals and his save percentage changes from .920 on the night to .890 or something like that. Giving up a soft goal every third game will kill you and that's what's happened this season. Too many unforced errors.

 

[Runner77]

Man he gave 25m for 5 years to Julien
didnt make the playoff 1 time.

He wasted 25m US$ of Molson into that. Lmfao.
I really wonder what Molson is thinking about all this.

Julien was still under contract with the Bruins when the Habs came knocking -- they also paid some of his Bruins salary in order to land him. Un-frickinbelievable.

 

[FLHabs]

Lol some of y'all need to step off the ledge talking about blowing it all up haha. The hot start really skewed your expectations of where the teams is at in it's retool/rebuild. Please remember that the Habs 1st line center is a second year player. The success of this team really rests on the shoulders of 2 of the youngest players on the team. The game should really be about surrounding them well and watching them develop until the team is ready to really contend. Unfortunately for Price, Weber, and co, that will probably be during the Primeau era. I too was made a believer during the first 10 games, until it all came back crashing down to earth, the same way as the past few seasons, funny that we never learn our lesson. Let's face it though, besides the new guys and Gallagher, not much scoring going on with all that "scoring depth".

The only way this team can contend right now is if Price can play on an MVP level, and that's obviously not happening right now. I really have no idea what's going on with him, but he seems very inconsistent during a game and loses focus or something idk what the deal is with him right now. Could be the pressure of having expectations and all these free agents signing here with him being a big part as to why. The pressure might just be too much for him who knows, but one thing I know is that if he doesn't get his game back on point soon, he's gonna get Halak'ed by Allen. Maybe he should just ditch the whole emo look with the blood red pads and macabre helmet lol. He should just sit a couple games to reset, and come back with the white pads and his reverse retro helmet and rock that for the rest of the year hehe.

Also, Lekhonen needs to be back in the lineup, idk who's idea it was to sit him but it was a dumb one. He sets the tone for the forecheck and really doesn't deserves to be sitting.

 

[expy]

On the broadcast, Miller says he gets spun around. When you see the replay, you clearly see Murray spinning himself around.

That’s the proper move to spin along with the momentum that he was going in, while also minimizing the time his eyes were off the puck.
Planting his left skate to spin in the opposite direction would’ve been inefficient.

like I said, it was 50/50 I would’ve been fine with either decision. But the Habs should never have been in a position to hope on a video review.

 

[le_sean]

I could have made those saves too, but I would have let in 20 others.

I'm not defending him. He can't let those goals in and needs to be sharper. I don't have to act like some irrational and overly emotional fan going off on him and insulting the guy.

Why not? I have to watch this guy take up over 10% of the cap and he gets $84 million for giving a good performance every now and then. He can put up with my emotion.

 

[Supersonic]

Delete

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Man he gave 25m for 5 years to Julien
didnt make the playoff 1 time.

He wasted 25m US$ of Molson into that. Lmfao.
I really wonder what Molson is thinking about all this.

Every coach has their best before date. Julien I think has reached his. It's time to move on from him.

I just hope to God we don't hire back Therrien again.

 

[Cookie007]

Just remember boys. That was no goal.

But this is a good goal

 

[Adam Michaels]

Plenty went wrong in tonight's game, but Carey Price letting in two soft goals was the biggest factor of them all. Sick and tired of the rodeo clown's crap at this point.

1st: your rodeo clown comment made me laugh.

2nd: you're right. Those two soft goals that Tkachuk scored made the difference. Price made many big saves, but the two soft goals were costly, especially the 5-5 tying goal.

 

[expy]

I disagree with most of what you've written here.

His positioning is just fine. For all the moaning about him 'being on his knees' he's done a great job of in close shots. He's played really awesome for the most part actually.

But... he gives up these stupid goals and his save percentage changes from .920 on the night to .890 or something like that. Giving up a soft goal every third game will kill you and that's what's happened this season. Too many unforced errors.

He’s given up a weak goal in every game or every other game.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Every goalie lets in some soft goals. Price used to do it when his numbers were stellar. That's not a problem... unless you're doing it with regularity. And that is happening now.

In previous years Price did as well as any goalie could under the circumstances. Apart from Winnipeg, Montreal has had the worst D in the league for goaltenders in close. No goalie is going to put up great numbers behind that. Nobody. So yeah, he actually has played very well in the past two seasons. He got terrible teams as close to the playoffs as any player could.

This year though? Up until recently our D wasn't that bad, yet he still gave up unforced errors. That's no big deal as it's a slow start. But now our D sucks and he's still giving up some softies. That will kill us. It's hard enough making the playoffs when your D can't find it's ass with it's own two hands. But when your best player can't make up for it, then you're really in trouble. There's no excuse for the unforced errors. That needs to be corrected.

Honestly, I can't explain it. He makes really hard saves and makes a lot of them look easy. No idea why he'd all of a sudden give up so many soft goals now. A couple of games ago he got us a much needed win. Against TO, he played really well but lost. And tonight after a great game he gives up a tinkertoy shot for a goal? I mean wtf? Can't do that. Not with regularity.

The season is no longer young. It'd be one thing if he gave up a softie in a losing cause or in a win. But he gave it up at a key moment when the team is struggling. And he did it on the back end of two games where he played really well. Can't do that. He needs to fix this quickly.

I have said this going back to halak. Price can make spectacular stop like few can, but he has trouble with routine stops, allen is the exact opposite. And then there is the mental aspect of those back breakers. I like price but you dont always have the confidence in him to make the reg joe type saves while he does amazing on those mad scrambles, where for some reason they always blow the whistle late.

It was mentioned by the tsn garbage announcers that the sens goalie had a number of earlie whistles while the puck was still loose. Hate to say this, but those little things are what can swing a game and it happens far far too often to the habs. I still havent gotten over the 11-1 penalties we had in carolina that one game.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Guys,

i’m having a really bad time being a habs fan right now

I want off Mr BurgerVan’s wild ride

It's tough. Such a great start to the season. Team has imploded.

 

[Runner77]

Yup Murray sold that one and the NHL fell for it. Oh well on to the next game.

I just can't believe what happened. Losing two games in a row to turds. It's unacceptable.

Julien should have been fired and not allowed to churn out more excuses at yet another post-game presser. What a confederacy of idiots.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

Every coach has their best before date. Julien I think has reached his. It's time to move on from him.

I just hope to God we don't hire back Therrien again.

There’s no chance in hell we’re going back to Therrien. Zero.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Guys,

i’m having a really bad time being a habs fan right now

I want off Mr BurgerVan’s wild ride

Haven't you formed some kind of tolerance over the years?

I imagine that if you eat shit every day, at some point you just get jaded and used to it?

Sure, it might be harder in the case of tolerating Bergevin, still...

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

I criticized him, that's not hate. Again, he hasn't been good, needs to find his focus and stop giving up softies.

''10.5M'' ''plug'' ''back up'' ''no team would claim him'' ''sucks ass'' etc..etc...etc...The ridiculous amount of comments I read though, ya that's hate.

Allen couldn't become a legit #1 in St-Louis on better teams but yes...he played 5 good games for us.

Yeah. Those are just haters. I never mention price's salary because he was put in a position to earn that. Back then, he made a mediocre team good because he was one of the best. I don't expect him to be a top 3 goalie anymore but somewhere in the top 10 but he can't even position himself there.

I know Allen can't handle 1st goalie duty, I only brought his name to answer those who use the excuse that Price sucked this season because of his defense but it still the same defense in front of Allen.

And if we simply analyze the goals, the softies, that Price let's in, it has nothing to do with bad defense. Its all on him. The 2 goals that went through his 5 hole tonight was no excuse. It was a must win game in a certain way, he made some good saves but the softies is a proof that he lacks focus. It's been quite some time that he's playing like this.

 

[Adam Michaels]

That’s the proper move to spin along with the momentum that he was going in, while also minimizing the time his eyes were off the puck.
Planting his left skate to spin in the opposite direction would’ve been inefficient.

like I said, it was 50/50 I would’ve been fine with either decision. But the Habs should never have been in a position to hope on a video review.

Agreed that the Habs shouldn't have been in that position.

But the comment was that he "got spun around." That suggest Gallagher was the one who spun him, when it was a simple touch and Murray did the rest himself. And even after Murray does his spin-o-rama, he had time to set himself up. The guy was standing when the shot was taken.

That spin was only an attempt to help sell the goalie interference. And the refs and Toronto fell for it.