Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to Vegas 6-5

[The Real Timo]

Anderson needs to figure things out soon because his ineffective play is having a ripple effect on the success of this team.

Success and this team don’t belong In The same sentence.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

Since about 1996 when Tremblay and Foule took over

Right, cause the 1993 Cup wasn't that formula at all?

 

[Tyson]

Right, cause the 1993 Cup wasn't that formula at all?

The 93 team had 4 80 point players, the best leadership with Muller, Carbonneau, Roy and many more. The 93 Habs team deserved the accolades they got. They were rarely dominated.

 

[LaP]

We are now dead last in the NHL for regulation wins.

32nd Mtl 2 RW
31st SJ 3 RW
30th Colombus 3 RW
29th Seattle 3 RW

 

[Tyson]

Success and this team don’t belong In The same sentence.

Well they are in the middle of a full rebuild so I don't think they are going to be successful with wins and losses but more on how the young players are progressing. Young players need solid vets around them which I don't think they have.

 

[hvac412]

Success and this team don’t belong In The same sentence.

Like I said it's almost impossible and not fundamentally responsible nor fair to the fans to try and develop a coach and young team at the same time,i like Marty but I think it just unnecessarily prolongs and possibly damages the rebuild.just my humble opinion.

 

[The Real Timo]

Like I said it's almost impossible and not fundamentally responsible nor fair to the fans to try and develop a coach and young team at the same time,i like Marty but I think it just unnecessarily prolongs and possibly damages the rebuild.just my humble opinion.

100% agree. St Louis is now more in the "damaging" territory. The right decisions are not made. The team is NOT coached to develop good plays (even if they may not be there yet to execute them). There is no structure to anything. It's all freaking random on the ice.

Well they are in the middle of a full rebuild so I don't think they are going to be successful with wins and losses but more on how the young players are progressing. Young players need solid vets around them which I don't think they have.

And that's on management. I get it's not easy to move the deadwood, but these guys aren't paid 100K a year to do that. So far this is trending to be another buddy-buddy club upstairs which will likely yield same results as numerous previous regimes.

 

[Tyson]

100% agree. St Louis is now more in the "damaging" territory. The right decisions are not made. The team is NOT coached to develop good plays (even if they may not be there yet to execute them). There is no structure to anything. It's all freaking random on the ice.

It was almost predictable that hiring a guy with zero coaching experience would eventually show ugly warts.

Too Bad a guy like Tourigny was not available.

 

[The Real Timo]

We are now dead last in the NHL for regulation wins.

32nd Mtl 2 RW
31st SJ 3 RW
30th Colombus 3 RW
29th Seattle 3 RW

So... There is a chance we get Celibrini? Or is there another european defenseman we can target in the draft?

 

[LaP]

The 93 team had 4 80 point players, the best leadership with Muller, Carbonneau, Roy and many more. The 93 Habs team deserved the accolades they got. They were rarely dominated.

Here's the composition of the 1993 team :

Muller 26 years old 357 goals and 959 points in career
Damphousse 24 years old 434 goals and 1205 points in career
Bellows 28 years old 485 goals and 1022 points in career
LeClair 23 years old 406 goals and 819 points in career (in only 967 games played)
Denis Savard 31 years old 473 goals in career 1338 points
Carbonneau 32 years old 260 goals and 663 points in career (as well as one of the best defensive center of all time)

Schneider 23 years old 223 goals and 743 points in career
Desjardins 23 years old 126 goals and 575 points in career

Obviously one of the best goalie of all time

To put things into perspective Koivu 832 career points, Patch has 326 career goals and Markov 572 career points. The 93 team had like 8 players of this caliber with Roy. There was no Mario Lemieux but that top 3 of Bellows, Muller and Damphousse was deadly with Damphousse finishing the playoffs with 23 points in 20 games and the top 2 on defense while young was borderline hall of fame material.

There was many players in that team that were "not good enough for the HoF but as close as you'll ever be". Many players in that team had intangibles too like Carbo being one of the best defensive center ever while being actually quite potent offensively and LeClair who had not reached his potential yet but was already so hard to play against because of his size and how sturdy he was on skate. Many of those guys were kind of dirty at time too.

 

[Tyson]

Here's the composition of the 1993 team :

Muller 26 years old 357 goals and 959 points in career
Damphousse 24 years old 434 goals and 1205 points in career
Bellows 28 years old 485 goals and 1022 points in career
LeClair 23 years old 406 goals and 819 points in career (in only 967 games played)
Denis Savard 31 years old 473 goals in career 1338 points
Carbonneau 32 years old 260 goals and 663 points in career (as well as one of the best defensive center of all time)

Schneider 23 years old 223 goals and 743 points in career
Desjardins 23 years old 126 goals and 575 points in career

Obviously one of the best goalie of all time

To put things into perspective Koivu 832 career points, Patch has 326 career goals and Markov 572 career points. The 93 team had like 8 players of this caliber with Roy. There was no Mario Lemieux but that top 3 of Bellows, Muller and Damphousse was deadly with Damphousse finishing the playoffs with 23 points in 20 games and the top 2 on defense while young was borderline hall of fame material.

There was many players in that team that were "not good enough for the HoF but as close as you'll ever be". Many players in that team had intangibles too like Carbo being one of the best defensive center ever while being actually quite potent offensively and LeClair who had not reached his potential yet but was already so hard to play against because of his size and how sturdy he was on skate. Many of those guys were kind of dirty at time too.

Well said. This team deserved to win the cup.

 

[LaP]

100% agree. St Louis is now more in the "damaging" territory. The right decisions are not made. The team is NOT coached to develop good plays (even if they may not be there yet to execute them). There is no structure to anything. It's all freaking random on the ice.
And that's on management. I get it's not easy to move the deadwood, but these guys aren't paid 100K a year to do that. So far this is trending to be another buddy-buddy club upstairs which will likely yield same results as numerous previous regimes.

Asking a GM to get all those bad contracts out within a year is being extremely delusional. People act like KH has been around for 5 years. He's been around for one full season. He already got most of the bad contracts out and by the deadline next years only Gallagher should remain probably. Gallagher is probably unmovable for a few years.

 

[Tuggy]

We are now dead last in the NHL for regulation wins.

32nd Mtl 2 RW
31st SJ 3 RW
30th Colombus 3 RW
29th Seattle 3 RW

 

[JianYang]

Like I said it's almost impossible and not fundamentally responsible nor fair to the fans to try and develop a coach and young team at the same time,i like Marty but I think it just unnecessarily prolongs and possibly damages the rebuild.just my humble opinion.

The most damaging thing to the rebuild right now is losing a key development year of kirby dach.

Whether msl is the answer long term remains to be seen. The heat should be on him once the management makes the statement that they are ready to take the next jump, and that comes with "win now" type of transactions, which they really haven't engaged in yet under this regime.

At this point, I don't have too many expectations on him. If he can continue to have the guys plays hard for him, and not lose the plot about what the main goals are with the team right now, thats good enough for me at this stage.

 

[Tyson]

The most damaging thing to the rebuild right now is losing a key development year of kirby dach.

Whether msl is the answer long term remains to be seen. The heat should be on him once the management makes the statement that they are ready to take the next jump, and that comes with "win now" type of transactions, which they really haven't engaged in yet under this regime.

At this point, I don't have too many expectations on him. If he can continue to have the guys plays hard for him, and not lose the plot about what the main goals are with the team right now, thats good enough for me at this stage.

Sadly though he is ignoring decent prospects like Ylonen at the expense of vets who are not delivering

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Well said. This team deserved to win the cup.

Maybe. But that Cup win probably doesn’t happen if the Islanders don’t upset that year’s prohibitive Cup favourites, the Pittsburgh Penguins. And we probably don’t win the Cup in 1986, if Calgary doesn’t upset the Oilers.

But the Hockey Gods evened things out when the Canadiens lost to an inferior Flames team in the 1989 finals. Who would have thought Vernon would outplay Roy? Improbable. Impossible.

 

[JianYang]

Sadly though he is ignoring decent prospects like Ylonen at the expense of vets who are not delivering

I'd like to see Ylonen more as well, but at the same time, I'm not going to hinge my evaluation of msl based on their investment in a guy who might be a fringe top 6 guy at his ceiling.

For the most part, the young guys who are slated to be flagships of their core moving forward are generally getting their time in aside from dach.

Do I agree with all of the decisions? No, but that happens with every single coach that comes and goes.

 

[LaP]

Sadly though he is ignoring decent prospects like Ylonen at the expense of vets who are not delivering

He probably doesn't have a choice. We want to trade some of those vets and they wont have any value unless we give them all the chances we can. I'm sure MSL is dying to put JA on the bench but this contract stink and nobody will take it if he's an healthy scratch. Only thing you can do is continue to ice him and hope he's having a hot streak at some point and a fish fall for it. I've been saying day 1 that the real challenge for KH and MSL start after the deadline 2025 when most of the bad contracts will be out. This is when it starts for them.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The most damaging thing to the rebuild right now is losing a key development year of kirby dach.

Whether msl is the answer long term remains to be seen. The heat should be on him once the management makes the statement that they are ready to take the next jump, and that comes with "win now" type of transactions, which they really haven't engaged in yet under this regime.

At this point, I don't have too many expectations on him. If he can continue to have the guys plays hard for him, and not lose the plot about what the main goals are with the team right now, thats good enough for me at this stage.

The crippling loss of Dach shows the shallowness of the team’s depth of talent. This is a team that drafted 1OA and 5OA in the last two years. As one famous coach said: you are what your record says you are. But I have an answer. Trade Matheson. Its all his fault. Or at least that’s what some (many) here say.

 

[Tyson]

He probably doesn't have a choice. We want to trade some of those vets and they wont have any value unless we give them all the chances we can. I'm sure MSL is dying to put JA on the bench but this contract stink and nobody will take it if he's an healthy scratch. Only thing you can do is continue to ice him and hope he's having a hot streak at some point and a fish fall for it. I've been saying day 1 that the real challenge for KH and MSL start after the deadline 2025 when most of the bad contracts will be out. This is when it starts for them.

I agree but with Ylonen playing well last night you couldn't find more ice time for him ? It's not like Ylonen has no skills, the kid can play.

 

[The Real Timo]

The crippling loss of Dach shows the shallowness of the team’s depth of talent. This is a team that drafted 1OA and 5OA in the last two years. As one famous coach said: you are what your record says you are. But I have an answer. Trade Matheson. Its all his fault. Or at least that’s what some (many) here say.

What happened to all the depp we had?

 

[Trabdy2]

Not sure what Ylonen has done to get this treatment in the lineup. He's got speed, decent hands, a good shot, and he's got better production/60 than Slafkovsky and some of the vets, despite the minimal minutes and low calibre linemates he's been given and basically no PP time.

I mean, if they don't want him, they might as well at least try him in the top six for him to get some numbers in order to set him up for a trade so we can get something for him before he requests a trade. It's driving me crazy and one of my main criticisms of MSL so far this year.

 

[The Real Timo]

He probably doesn't have a choice. We want to trade some of those vets and they wont have any value unless we give them all the chances we can.

I think the more they play the lesser the chance they get traded.

 

[Tyson]

What happened to all the depp we had?

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Not sure what Ylonen has done to get this treatment in the lineup. He's got speed, decent hands, a good shot, and he's got better production/60 than Slafkovsky and some of the vets, despite the minimal minutes and low calibre linemates he's been given and basically no PP time.

I mean, if they don't want him, they might as well at least try him in the top six for him to get some numbers in order to set him up for a trade so we can get something for him before he requests a trade. It's driving me crazy and one of my main criticisms of MSL so far this year.

You can almost see it coming where Ylonen asks for a trade especially if he gets scratched every few games while watching players produce less than him.

 

[JianYang]

The crippling loss of Dach shows the shallowness of the team’s depth of talent. This is a team that drafted 1OA and 5OA in the last two years. As one famous coach said: you are what your record says you are. But I have an answer. Trade Matheson. Its all his fault. Or at least that’s what some (many) here say.

Dach, suzuki, caufield, and monahan are the four forwards that can't be replaced with depth on this club.

If either of them goes down, the club will feel pain for sure.