Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to Vegas 6-5

[JianYang]

Yeah even Sean Hill had a long and successful career. He was among the top 3 dmen of Carolina when they won the cup. Definitely a solid top 4 thru his career but he was only 22 in 93 and like Barron atm was still trying to learn the ropes. That was a young defense group.

Desjardins 23
Schneider 23
Odelein 24
Hill 22
Brisebois 21
Haller 21
even JJD was not that old at 26 and he was the vet of the group.

That's why they acquired an over the hill Ramage at the deadline to bring some experience but he barely played he playoffs lol

It was an impressive pipeline of dmen, and the scary thing was that it was even richer around three years prior to the cup.

I made a post a long time ago about how their defense in 1989 was deep enough to produce two strong nhl teams. I forget the details but off the top of my head, lumme and Lefebvre were another couple guys they had who were pretty good players/prospects that they essentially gave away.

 

[Runner77]

That's why i want him traded pronto

I can see merit in that, based on last season.

I wonder if trading counterparts are not making their better offers contingent on the same basis — that he show that he can be healthy past the halfway point of this season at least.

I’m always wary of players owning a long record of major injuries and multiple surgeries. Monahan is definitely going to use this season as a springboard to a long term deal and right now, I don’t think the Habs should be considering that.

 

[26Mats]

I can see merit in that, based on last season.

I wonder if trading counterparts are not making their better offers contingent on the same basis — that he show that he can be healthy past the halfway point of this season at least.

I’m always wary of players owning a long record of major injuries and multiple surgeries. Monahan is definitely going to use this season as a springboard to a long term deal and right now, I don’t think the Habs should be considering that.

I have mixed feelings. We see how bad Dach going down for our young developing wingers.

I'd kind of like to go Suzuki Dach Monahan down the middle until we get an upgrade. No to Dvo - and no to Pearson taking away time from the young players.

 

[Tyson]

I have mixed feelings. We see how bad Dach going down for our young developing wingers.

I'd kind of like to go Suzuki Dach Monahan down the middle until we get an upgrade. No to Dvo - and no to Pearson taking away time from the young players.

The past 3 games Monahan has looked slow, almost looks like he is nursing something.

Not sure a longterm deal will be in the cards down the road.

 

[26Mats]

The past 3 games Monahan has looked slow, almost looks like he is nursing something.

Not sure a longterm deal will be in the cards down the road.

Yes, he has to stay healthy - for us to want to keep, and for him to garner any interest on the trade market.

If he gets hurt, I could still see us going year by year with him.

 

[donghabs98]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

 

[TT1]

Not sure what Ylonen has done to get this treatment in the lineup. He's got speed, decent hands, a good shot, and he's got better production/60 than Slafkovsky and some of the vets, despite the minimal minutes and low calibre linemates he's been given and basically no PP time.

I mean, if they don't want him, they might as well at least try him in the top six for him to get some numbers in order to set him up for a trade so we can get something for him before he requests a trade. It's driving me crazy and one of my main criticisms of MSL so far this year.

Ylonen has great hands, not decent, that's his best aspect imo

 

[Rapala]

The crippling loss of Dach shows the shallowness of the team’s depth of talent. This is a team that drafted 1OA and 5OA in the last two years. As one famous coach said: you are what your record says you are. But I have an answer. Trade Matheson. Its all his fault. Or at least that’s what some (many) here say.

Matheson should not be playing anywhere near the 28 or 29 minutes he's continually getting. Everyone can see he is a poor defender and a questionable play maker. He is not PP1 material and he is not top pairing material. I don't know who is suggesting we trade him but he is clearly in the wrong chair.
While we can agree it's not all his fault his skating which you continually bring up doesn't change or compensate for the fact that he is flawed. I'd like to know what the over under would have to be points wise to keep him in that seat.

 

[Tyson]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

Yep it seems all coaches operate the same way in HabsVille

 

[26Mats]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

At least MSL isn't as slow as Julien to change his lines up.

BUT, I really think Hughes has to limit the vets at MSL's disposal. Because he will play them ahead of developing the youth.

I can't wait until Pearson is on the 4th line. RHP and Ylonen both need opportunities in the top 9. RHP was great with Anderson last year. Why not try it again? Ylonen and Newhook could be a real speed duo on the wings for the right center.

 

[HabbyGuy]

He does not look good except in OT tbh

He's playing fine he's just not cashing in. He's had tons of chances, his snakebitten luck doesn't equate to not playing well.

Production doesn't always mean someone is playing well or not, .

Guys can play awful and still end up on the scoresheet. (See Matheson)

While others can play well and aren't rewarded.

 

[McGees]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

Therrien would have had Gally and Pezzetta with Suzuki while begging Desharnais to come back

 

[JianYang]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

Definitely not. You couldn't have have more opposite personalities and mindset towards the game than these two.

Actually, I've been watching the team for over 30 years, and MLS is vastly different in his approach to every other coach that preceded him. Perhaps carbo is an exception, but he had already lost the group by this time in his tenure.

 

[hvac412]

The most damaging thing to the rebuild right now is losing a key development year of kirby dach.

Whether msl is the answer long term remains to be seen. The heat should be on him once the management makes the statement that they are ready to take the next jump, and that comes with "win now" type of transactions, which they really haven't engaged in yet under this regime.

At this point, I don't have too many expectations on him. If he can continue to have the guys plays hard for him, and not lose the plot about what the main goals are with the team right now, thats good enough for me at this stage.

The problem is last night’s game was such a disorganized mess, no structure pond style hockey that doesn’t develop anything but bad habits.I would have been okay with Marty coaching with some veteran help but it seems like he’s determined to do this his way.We’re back to Jekyll & Hyde style hockey,very predictable & boring.

 

[The Real Timo]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

Michael Therrien's team had karakter. This one doesn't.

Definitely not. You couldn't have have more opposite personalities and mindset towards the game than these two.

Actually, I've been watching the team for over 30 years, and MLS is vastly different in his approach to every other coach that preceded him. Perhaps carbo is an exception, but he had already lost the group by this time in his tenure.

Different... sure. But not necessarily "good" different. In terms of bringing team any closer to being a contender, I think MSL is far behind in ability to do so than all the other glorious coaches that we had a misfortune to witness in the past 30 years.

 

[BLONG7]

The past 3 games Monahan has looked slow, almost looks like he is nursing something.

Not sure a longterm deal will be in the cards down the road.

Noticed last night, he was very slow.....very. Think he was -3 also. First time this year, for me, he did not look good....
If the habs offer him anything, it should be 2-3 yrs at 3-4M and thinking he will not want to stay, which is no biggie for me................trade him, and get assets back.

 

[morhilane]

Before the Rocket game on RDS, they were a bit of talk with Carbo about yesterday Habs game...and Carbo was saying that Gallagher isn't a guy you play at the end of a game and he was wondering why MSL was bothering. Actually, the entire segment of a few minutes was questioning MSL's coaching decisions last game.

Quite similar what we have in here, but with less "what is Anderson doing on the PP1".

 

[MasterD]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

Man that line up looks like dog shit. Rebuild is far from over.

Before the Rocket game on RDS, they were a bit of talk with Carbo about yesterday Habs game...and Carbo was saying that Gallagher isn't a guy you play at the end of a game and he was wondering why MSL was bothering. Actually, the entire segment of a few minutes was questioning MSL's coaching decisions last game.

Quite similar what we have in here, but with less "what is Anderson doing on the PP1".

He's not wrong on this, we all know Gally's finished, but given Carbo's tenure as a coach, I'm not sure I'd really pay attention to his opinion on coaching.

 

[morhilane]

Man that line up looks like dog shit. Rebuild is far from over.

Half of the players on that line-up should be there in 3 years.

 

[zx81]

Therrien isnt the right comparable here

Why change the lines ? Everything is going great !
Anderson is not scoring.
CC is not scoring.
We still have only 2 regulation wins , which may be the lowest number after 17 games in the history of the club (I haven't been able to find that info but I sure am curious to know).

I guess MSL has found the keys to the tank and started the engine.

 

[MasterD]

Half of the players on that line-up should be there in 3 years.

We'll see about that. Injuries, trades, etc.

Been posting here for too long, never seen a projection lineup hold up, even a little bit.

 

[morhilane]

We'll see about that. Injuries, trades, etc.

Been posting here for too long, never seen a projection lineup hold up, even a little bit.

If half are still there, half should be gone too.

Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, Newhook that's 4 already.
Gallagher is unmovable and if he's not on LTIR he's going to be on the line-up. So that's 5.

 

[Runner77]

Michael Therrien's team had karakter. This one doesn't.

Someone called for Michou?

 

[BLONG7]

Why change the lines ? Everything is going great !
Anderson is not scoring.
CC is not scoring.
We still have only 2 regulation wins , which may be the lowest number after 17 games in the history of the club (I haven't been able to find that info but I sure am curious to know).

I guess MSL has found the keys to the tank and started the engine.

Pretty sure there will be changes in the lineup for tomorrow night................

 

[MasterD]

If half are still there, half should be gone too.

Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, Newhook that's 4 already.
Gallagher is unmovable and if he's not on LTIR he's going to be on the line-up. So that's 5.

Yeah, I'm not sold on Slaf and Newhook as real top 6 players, and to me on a contender Suzuki is better suited as a #2 C. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but it is what it is.

I look at teams like Tampa or Vegas, we're still very, very far f rom the destination.