CBC Hot Stove: Habs looking for top 4 D

[CanadianPensFan1]

After interacting with some Habs fans in other threads, I firmly believe the going offer is:

Scraps for legit top 4 D.


Montreal cant offer much off the current roster without creating another big hole .. to solve another one. All they have left is picks and prospects, neither of which will be stellar. Their 1st will likely be fairly late in the 1st round, probably around 20th+. Their prospect pool is fine but other than Sergachev, there arent any blue chippers. Unless the offer is their 1st + Sergachev, I dont see a top 4 in the cards.

 

[57special]

Lol. And no guys beaulieu+ random forward prospect doesn't do it. Think really hard on why you would like that deal. It's exactly why we don't.

Really fair offer. It depends a lot on how things shake out during the year. Like if two forwards break out we'll have to leave 3dmen exposed to cover the forwards so wouldn't do this. But assuming no major changes I'd do this one

Trouble is, the way MTL is going it's likely to be a really late 1st. A 27oa is no guarantee of anything, but likely will be an offensively challenged third liner who won't be ready for 3-4 years, if ever. McCarron appears to be a guy who will be a big bodied middle sixer. We've already got Greenway, Tuch, and Ek along with Nino and Coyle as young guys who do something similar. Not sure what he does for us. We'd also have to take a cap dump in some form from MTL in order to make the deal work, which makes it even less attractive. We sure as hell don't want a dman.

I'd rather get BUF first, which is likely to be WAY more valuable, and a prospect like Fasching/Bailey. Maybe a straight up deal for Nylander.

Still not thrilled with either deal for Brodin.

It's kind of funny that he would end up being the D partner of Weber, who was Suter's partner back in NSH.

 

[57special]

After interacting with some Habs fans in other threads, I firmly believe the going offer is:

Scraps for legit top 4 D.


Montreal cant offer much off the current roster without creating another big hole .. to solve another one. All they have left is picks and prospects, neither of which will be stellar. Their 1st will likely be fairly late in the 1st round, probably around 20th+. Their prospect pool is fine but other than Sergachev, there arent any blue chippers. Unless the offer is their 1st + Sergachev, I dont see a top 4 in the cards.

Pretty much this. Habs want an addition to their lineup, without any subtractions.

 

[cafelatte]

This is why we are fans and not coaches ... while playing with Weber, Beaulieu had only 31% successful passes out of his zone while Weber's percentage was in the 70s, thereby creating too many turnovers.

You are quick at bashing the coach but fail to go beyond your "was very impressed", "signs of offensive flair" perceptions.

Anyhow, If I look at the minutes played by newcomers like Radulov, Lekkonen and Danault there's plenty of room for excellent skating and signs of offensive flair don't you think?

I've watched every Habs game this year and was very impressed with Beaulieu playing with Weber. He wasn't perfect, but I only saw one glaring, bad error while playing with him. But it seems Therrien has given up on him already and I don't understand it.
Well, actually, I do. It's Therrien. No room for excellent skating and signs of offensive flair from your young players.

 

[Hi-wayman]

What would be the cost?

Noah Juulsen (local BC player) & Mike McCarron (partly makes up for loss of Edler's physical play in tuff Pacific Division)

 

[Hi-wayman]

Juulsen is very valuable to Montreal, and we need Beaulieu with Markov retiring soon

Right now Juulsen is not as valuable to the Habs as Edler is to the Canucks. Edler is a first pairing, physical D with a great contract. Trading a player of Edler's calibre, the Canucks are not going to do so just for mid level prospects. If the Habs want to contend 4 or 5 seasons fro, now, keep Juulsen because is how long Juulsen will need to develop to his top NHL level. If the Habs want to contend over the next 3 seasons, trade for Edler.

 

[Legend123]

Right now Juulsen is not as valuable to the Habs as Edler is to the Canucks. Edler is a first pairing, physical D with a great contract. Trading a player of Edler's calibre, the Canucks are not going to do so just for mid level prospects. If the Habs want to contend 4 or 5 seasons fro, now, keep Juulsen because is how long Juulsen will need to develop to his top NHL level. If the Habs want to contend over the next 3 seasons, trade for Edler.

MTL are extremely high on Juulsen. He looks one year away from the NHL. He is the best defensive D prospect of the Habs. He is one year away or 2 at most.

 

[Slashers98]

MTL are extremely high on Juulsen. He looks one year away from the NHL. He is the best defensive D prospect of the Habs. He is one year away or 2 at most.

You're crazy, Juulsen is far from the NHL right now. He will need a few years in the AHL so that's why he's expendable.

 

[Habsawce]

Would Nik Hjarmarlsson be available?

 

[TT1]

Would Nik Hjarmarlsson be available?

Of course not, hes a core player for Chicago and he has a low caphit.

 

[DirtyMitts]

Pacioretty + Beaulieu + 2nd pick 2017 vs Fowler + Nick Ritchie ?

Or maybe a 1st pick instead of the 2nd pick. Don't know much about Ritchie so I'm not sure if the gap between him and Beaulieu is a 1st or a 2nd.

Would that be a good base ?

 

[Viqsi]

Columbus fans

How about something centered on R . Murray for Mike McCaron

Well, gosh, that depends. Can we then pick up Alex Galchenyuk for Dean Kukan?

Werenski has indeed been good enough that we can consider moving Murray, but only if we're ultimately getting an upgrade at center out of it. Otherwise, there's no point in moving him.
(EDIT: And no, that does not mean that the next move is to offer Plekanec.)

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Nope, Murray never has shown that he'll be anything beyond a third pairing D so far, people have started accepting that reality.

FYI, hon, we're talking about Ryan Murray, not Douglas Murray. Ryan Murray is already top-pairing capable and has been for the last two years at least. He's not an elite #1 and at this rate may very well never reach that height but we're okay with that - we've got two new, much more impressive looking candidates for that role already.

 

[Exit Dose]

Pacioretty + Beaulieu + 2nd pick 2017 vs Fowler + Nick Ritchie ?

Or maybe a 1st pick instead of the 2nd pick. Don't know much about Ritchie so I'm not sure if the gap between him and Beaulieu is a 1st or a 2nd.

Would that be a good base ?

Anaheim doesn't need Beaulieu.

 

[DirtyMitts]

Anaheim doesn't need Beaulieu.

They don't, but they would need someone to replace Fowler if they lose him.

They get an upgrade on LW and a downgrade on D. As for us, we get an upgrade on D and a downgrade on LW.

 

[Exit Dose]

They don't, but they would need someone to replace Fowler if they lose him.

They get an upgrade on LW and a downgrade on D. As for us, we get an upgrade on D and a downgrade on LW.

No they don't.

 

[DirtyMitts]

No they don't.

Yeah, Stoner and Després are great LHD'S you're right smh

 

[Hi-wayman]

Weber gets 65-70% d-zone starts atm, whoever plays with him has to play heavy minutes (that's why i'd like someone like Brodin, he's used to playing tough minutes).

Larsson/Greene got 30% o-zone starts last season, Brodin was at 38%.

Another reason Edler is likely the best potential fit for the Habs. If the concept is to acquire a partner for Weber, The Habs aren't looking for a top 4 D man. They are looking for a first pairing D man who not only compliments Weber, but has proven he can handle above average minutes.

First pairing trade. The rarest of all trades.

 

[Habaneros]

Pretty much this. Habs want an addition to their lineup, without any subtractions.

Well we did get Jeff Petry who is top 4 Dman for a 2nd round pick and a 5th pick ....


It happens sometimes ...

 

[Habsawce]

Of course not, hes a core player for Chicago and he has a low caphit.

Yeah, you're probably right. He would be the perfect fit for Montreal though on that top pairing. Thought maybe Chicago could be enticed with a 1st (draft is in Chicago) and a couple young pieces.

Doubtful though, he's definitely a core piece.

 

[NotYou]

Trouble is, the way MTL is going it's likely to be a really late 1st. A 27oa is no guarantee of anything, but likely will be an offensively challenged third liner who won't be ready for 3-4 years, if ever. McCarron appears to be a guy who will be a big bodied middle sixer. We've already got Greenway, Tuch, and Ek along with Nino and Coyle as young guys who do something similar. Not sure what he does for us. We'd also have to take a cap dump in some form from MTL in order to make the deal work, which makes it even less attractive. We sure as hell don't want a dman.

I'd rather get BUF first, which is likely to be WAY more valuable, and a prospect like Fasching/Bailey. Maybe a straight up deal for Nylander.

Still not thrilled with either deal for Brodin.

It's kind of funny that he would end up being the D partner of Weber, who was Suter's partner back in NSH.

That deal was for scandella, I wouldn't do it for brodin. I'm not a believer in Montreal and would expect their first to be around 20. more lottery balls is basically my thinking. I'm assuming we can't get a high quality piece which I'd prefer

 

[Hi-wayman]

MTL are extremely high on Juulsen. He looks one year away from the NHL. He is the best defensive D prospect of the Habs. He is one year away or 2 at most.

There is a hell of a difference between a player finally being NHL ready and that same player developing his potential enough to be a major contributor to the team's play.

Vancouver couldn't care less how high Montreal is on Juulsen. Vancouver is looking for fair return for Edler and how that return makes the Canucks a better team than if they keep Edler or if they even trade Edler to another team.

Trading Subban was a shook because trading first pairing players are so very rare. Even then it required a return of another first pairing player as compensation. You are trying to suggest the Canucks shouldn't even expect quality prospects for a legitimate first pairing player.

 

[Habsawce]

If I were a Vancouver fan I wouldn't want them trading anyone until a new GM was brought in. The thought of Benning continuing to make moves would make me cringe.

 

[nobody0211]

I think Elder would be a good addition...not sure if he'd fit with Weber, but he would be good for Montreal. His price is high so I'd think mayba Scherback and 1st might do it

 

[Habsawce]

I think Elder would be a good addition...not sure if he'd fit with Weber, but he would be good for Montreal. His price is high so I'd think mayba Scherback and 1st might do it

He makes 5M a season. How do you expect them to fit that under the cap without sending money back? Plus, Scherbak is a nothing prospect right now.

 

[superstar436]

That is horrifyingly bad for Columbus.

I am not saying one on one but Mccaron plus something from Montreal would make it.

Columbus have Jones and werenski on D who are more sure bets than Murray so far. He is good but he has been injured a few times which raises some questions.