CBC Hot Stove: Habs looking for top 4 D

[Hi-wayman]

If I were a Vancouver fan I wouldn't want them trading anyone until a new GM was brought in. The thought of Benning continuing to make moves would make me cringe.

Sorry I'm a Benning supporter, not a hater.

 

[major major]

I think the issue is Therrien is overplaying Markov and there is a fear the latter might have nothing left in the tank by season's end as was the case last year. Bergevin basically needs someone to eat up more minutes on the left side. Emelin is having a good year so far but he has considerable difficulty with skilled fast moving forwards. Beaulieu is still learning and still makes a lot of mental mistakes.

I don't think the team is looking for an elite defender or an offensive defenseman. They have a potential one in Sergachev. Rather, I suspect they would prefer a workhorse that's not flashy but can play 20 minutes a game. Another Petry in other words but one that can play the left side. They don't grow on trees so it's a matter of wait and see especially this early in the season. Furthermore, Markov right now is playing big minutes so there is no rush.

My two cents

Columbus fans

How about something centered on R . Murray for Mike McCaron

Murray would start a Galchenyuk/Pacioretty discussion. Unless you want to go there don't mention Murray.

Funny, I read the above description (top post I quoted) and thought Jack Johnson. Contrary to popular belief, he's now actually a safe defensive defenseman, and not good offensively (inaccurate shooter / passer). The early returns on his play since he's been taken off top pair are good.

Nope, Murray never has shown that he'll be anything beyond a third pairing D so far, people have started accepting that reality.

You might be thinking of someone else. Ryan Murray has been at least second pair since he started in the league as a solid second pair D next to Wiz three years ago. The numbers / eye test support that. He was recently part of team NA's shutdown pair along with Seth Jones.

 

[Agalloch]

I think Elder would be a good addition...not sure if he'd fit with Weber, but he would be good for Montreal. His price is high so I'd think mayba Scherback and 1st might do it

I would do a trade with Scherbak in it, but not sure about the first round pick.

 

[nobody0211]

He makes 5M a season. How do you expect them to fit that under the cap without sending money back? Plus, Scherbak is a nothing prospect right now.

Im not too familiar with who makes what...I especially didn't think Edler was making that much...good for him.

 

[Positive Vibes]

After interacting with some Habs fans in other threads, I firmly believe the going offer is:

Scraps for legit top 4 D.


Montreal cant offer much off the current roster without creating another big hole .. to solve another one. All they have left is picks and prospects, neither of which will be stellar. Their 1st will likely be fairly late in the 1st round, probably around 20th+. Their prospect pool is fine but other than Sergachev, there arent any blue chippers. Unless the offer is their 1st + Sergachev, I dont see a top 4 in the cards.

When a team is in win now mode it doesnt make sense to trade there best players for a top 4 D- man lol, a 1st pick and sergachev for a top for D-man? that better be a small add for a top 2 d man.

not really sure who youve been talking too but at the end of the day they arent the gm

 

[TT1]

Yeah, you're probably right. He would be the perfect fit for Montreal though on that top pairing. Thought maybe Chicago could be enticed with a 1st (draft is in Chicago) and a couple young pieces.

Doubtful though, he's definitely a core piece.

Definitely, hes one of the most elite defensive dman in the league, on top of that he's a left shot. Adding a player in the mold of Vlasic/Hammer/Tanev (if he was LD) would be the dream case scenario for us.

I think Brodin has the potential to develop into that type of player tho, he's already a very solid defensive dman. He'd compliment Weber well because he's a good skater/passer aswell.

 

[duxfan8]

Yeah, Stoner and Després are great LHD'S you're right smh

Take a look at a depth chart, rookie

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would Nik Hjarmarlsson be available?

Not in a million years, No way is Stan Bowman trading Hjarmarlsson with that sweetheart of a cap hit not happening.

 

[Habsawce]

Not in a million years, No way is Stan Bowman trading Hjarmarlsson with that sweetheart of a cap hit not happening.

What if Marc asked nicely?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What if Marc asked nicely?

Nope not even if he got down on both hand and knees and pleaded.

 

[Habsawce]

Nope not even if he got down on both hand and knees and pleaded.

Oh, so like what he does when Price takes a millisecond longer than usual to get up off the ice.

 

[Viqsi]

I am not saying one on one but Mccaron plus something from Montreal would make it.

Columbus have Jones and werenski on D who are more sure bets than Murray so far. He is good but he has been injured a few times which raises some questions.

Only if the "plus something" that gets added is the actual centerpiece of the trade - say, Galchenyuk.

Sure, Werenski-Jones has been awesome. But we still have a second pairing to think about. We have no reason to move him unless you're giving us an upgrade at C - and we have no interest in Plekanec.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

When a team is in win now mode it doesnt make sense to trade there best players for a top 4 D- man lol, a 1st pick and sergachev for a top for D-man? that better be a small add for a top 2 d man.

not really sure who youve been talking too but at the end of the day they arent the gm

Ya gotta give to get. Which was sort of my point. Montreal has nothing to offer a team to be able to bring back a top 4 dman. Maybe at the deadline but I doubt even then.

Also .. when did it become a top 2 dman?

Your last comment isnt worth commenting on

 

[Magic Mittens]

Trade for Oduya at the deadline

 

[Agalloch]

Trade for Oduya at the deadline

Could be something the Habs might do. Oduya for pick(s).

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Brendan Smith
Nastasiuk

For

Montreal 2nd 2017
Lernout

 

[NobleSix]

Only if the "plus something" that gets added is the actual centerpiece of the trade - say, Galchenyuk.

Sure, Werenski-Jones has been awesome. But we still have a second pairing to think about. We have no reason to move him unless you're giving us an upgrade at C - and we have no interest in Plekanec.

Lol. If the habs offered Galchenyuk for Murray, Jarmo would take it and run. Galchenyuk+McCarron for Murray? Gimme a break man. That's terrible.

 

[Viqsi]

Lol. If the habs offered Galchenyuk for Murray, Jarmo would take it and run. Galchenyuk+McCarron for Murray? Gimme a break man. That's terrible.

I could have elaborated and said that one didn't even need to include McCarron, if that really bothers you that much. The fact of the matter is that, whatever he may be to Montreal or other teams, McCarron is utterly valueless to Columbus - we have tons of high quality wing prospects and tons of scorers with size at all levels; he wouldn't have anywhere to play. Trying to suggest that he could be the centerpiece of a trade for virtually anyone on the Blue Jackets roster, let alone one of our better defensemen that we MIGHT only move ONLY for a C upgrade, is lunacy.

I mean, there's some folks we'd take him in return for, but that'd be mostly to save money with players we don't want anymore. Say, Dalton Prout. Or the rights to Gregory Campbell.

 

[Positive Vibes]

Ya gotta give to get. Which was sort of my point. Montreal has nothing to offer a team to be able to bring back a top 4 dman. Maybe at the deadline but I doubt even then.

Also .. when did it become a top 2 dman?

Your last comment isnt worth commenting on

guess you didnt read the OP man, you have to give to get but why would the habs give something other teams fans want in return for top 4 D-Men which in their eyes is a top talent foward that makes no sense as a habs fan,if anything we are still lacking in that department.

you do realize not every team is a contending team right? if you dont think the assets we have are worth your d -men move on stop talking about something you dont think is going to happen we can make a deal with another team.

isnt worth commenting on because im correct, you have talked to other habs 'fans' about what they want to give up for a top D-man,that may not entice you but your sure as hell not getting chucky/gally or any other good young foward for your D-man when we can use other assets to get one elsewhere.

 

[RSeen]

According to Kypreos, the Habs are in the market for a top 4 D.
What's available and at what cost?

My personal preference is Cam Fowler, who I think would be a perfect partner for Weber, but no idea if Habs have what it would cost or would be willing to part with it if they do.
I think they are mainly looking for a #2 guy to pair with Weber on the top pair but they are calling it top 4, I think mainly because there is no guarantee Therrien will play the person in the top pairing.

Other options?

Weber is the #2.

 

[Donuts]

sbisa for 1st

 

[TT1]

sbisa for 1st

we'll give you a 2116 1st to keep him

 

[Legend123]

Weber is the #2.

does that mean there are no current #1 Ds in the NHL this season??

 

[me2]

we'll give you a 2116 1st to keep him

done. he's good for the incompetank

 

[mariolemieux66]

Beaulieu+ for Parayko.