CBC Hot Stove: Habs looking for top 4 D

[A Loyal Demidog]

A young top 4 D or somebody who can help right now?

If it's right now I would trade Francois Beauchemin as an Avs fan if he was willing to waive. He's major factor on our back end but as our team is building I'd almost rather get an asset for him and call up Bigras to play NHL minutes.

Beauchemin is great, but with Markov also in the team, both would need less minutes than a top 2 - at their age. A young top 4 would be great to play with Weber.

 

[Agalloch]

Beauchemin is great, but with Markov also in the team, both would need less minutes than a top 2 - at their age. A young top 4 would be great to play with Weber.

Also Beauchemin has a NMC, we don't want to protect him in the expansion draft. A pass for me. I would prefer Zadorov.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

What do the Avs need ?

Just a prospect or something. They "need" top 6 talent but if they are trading Beachemin it likely means they are looking to give minutes to younger guys and clear out a little cap space. A trade of their top defenseman from last year probably means they aren't trying to contend this year and nobody would likely give up a top 6 winger for Beauchemin at his age anyway. Even if he is a rock.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Beauchemin is great, but with Markov also in the team, both would need less minutes than a top 2 - at their age. A young top 4 would be great to play with Weber.

That makes sense

Also Beauchemin has a NMC, we don't want to protect him in the expansion draft. A pass for me. I would prefer Zadorov.

You wouldn't be willing to pay what it takes to get Zadorov. He's a 21 year old 6'5 monster who has been Colorado's best defenseman this year. They have invested a lot in him and it would take a stupid overpayment to get him. They traded ROR for him in hoping he becomes the #1 LHD the Avs have wanted for years and every bit of development he's shown since that trade shows him headed in that direction.

Value wise to the team Zadorov is probably Colorado's most valuable asset after Mackinnon. They'd likely trade their captain or Duchene before trading Zads.

 

[Agalloch]

Just a prospect or something. They "need" top 6 talent but if they are trading Beachemin it likely means they are looking to give minutes to younger guys and clear out a little cap space. A trade of their top defenseman from last year probably means they aren't trying to contend this year and nobody would likely give up a top 6 winger for Beauchemin at his age anyway. Even if he is a rock.

Too bad Beauchemin has another year on his contract because he would be someone I would target for Montreal.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Paul Martin or Brenden Dillon would be available from the Sharks. Not Pickles. Probably wouldn't cost much for either Martin or Dillon and would consider retaining on Martin if necessary. Sharks don't necessarily need a d-man coming back but depending on who it is, it's possible to take one back. Ideally, this opens up some cap space to call some other guys up that the team probably needs to look at in the Sharks lineup.

 

[Vachon23]

Could Jack Johnson be an option ?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Too bad Beauchemin has another year on his contract because he would be someone I would target for Montreal.

Yeah I get that. Avs fans are hoping he waives his clause for expansion and the Avs pay LV something to not select him. Not that we want rid of him but spaces would be better used on a EJ, Zads and Barrie.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Could Jack Johnson be an option ?

Not if you want someone that will help your team.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Could Jack Johnson be an option ?

Jack Johnson has been trending down a little, Doubt he's a good for with Montreal.

 

[Runner77]

I would trade Beaulieu. Sergachev is 100% on the team next year.

Nothing is guaranteed with 18 year old prospects.

Not sure what Beaulieu's value might be, there were rumors that Bergevin was shopping him but apparently buyers didn't value him all that highly.

If they end up acquiring a top 2D, it only makes sense to move Beaulieu, who is expansion draft eligible.

 

[Benstheman]

For Edler, there would have to be a player with $ involved :

I think Benning would accept Emelin, Scherbak (who is doing pretty good in the AHL right now) and 2017 1st

 

[RandR]

Reading the original comment by Kypreos, who is far from connected when it comes to the Habs, leads me to believe that this is pure speculation on his part. Yes, lack of a first-line D to play with Weber is a hole in the Habs lineup, but that doesn't mean they are looking to do anything about that right now. To get such a D, they need to give up something significant, and it is far too early in the season to be doing that.

Once the trade deadline approaches Bergevin will be in a much better position to evaluate what the team's most pressing needs are (the other big one right now is that the Habs are currently mediocre at best at the 1C position), and see how they stack up against Tampa and whomever else they think they will have to get through if they want to make a good run in the playoffs. Between now and then injuries can happen, other holes may develop or become more pressing, and other teams will also have a better clue on what their needs are and what they are willing to give up.

 

[TT1]

Reading the original comment by Kypreos, who is far from connected when it comes to the Habs, leads me to believe that this is pure speculation on his part. Yes, lack of a first-line D to play with Weber is a hole in the Habs lineup, but that doesn't mean they are looking to do anything about that right now. To get such a D, they need to give up something significant, and it is far too early in the season to be doing that.

Once the trade deadline approaches Bergevin will be in a much better position to evaluate what the team's most pressing needs are (the other big one right now is that the Habs are currently mediocre at best at the 1C position), and see how they stack up against Tampa and whomever else they think they will have to get through if they want to make a good run in the playoffs. Between now and then injuries can happen and other holes may develop or become more pressing.

McKenzie came on TSN 690 and said that Bergevin was indeed looking for a Dman. That being said a GM told him that he wasn't ready to give up a "anything good" for 1.

edit: source - http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/mckenzie-are-the-habs-looking-for-a-defenceman-1.598274

 

[RandR]

McKenzie came on TSN 690 and said that Bergevin was indeed looking for a Dman. That being said a GM told him that he wasn't ready to give up a "anything good" for 1.

Good to know that. Thanks.

 

[Benstheman]

McKenzie came on TSN 690 and said that Bergevin was indeed looking for a Dman. That being said a GM told him that he wasn't ready to give up a "anything good" for 1.

I love that. MB wants a good D for free??

Always thought those reports were funny.

 

[KingTux]

Nothing is guaranteed with 18 year old prospects.

Not sure what Beaulieu's value might be, there were rumors that Bergevin was shopping him but apparently buyers didn't value him all that highly.

If they end up acquiring a top 2D, it only makes sense to move Beaulieu, who is expansion draft eligible.

And rightfully so. he doesn't have value to acquire a top-4 guy. He is almost 24 years old and hasn't show that he can handle top 4 minutes for a long stretch. He is very talented, but very inconsistent. I think its his last chance in Montreal to show what he can do.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Reading the original comment by Kypreos, who is far from connected when it comes to the Habs, leads me to believe that this is pure speculation on his part. Yes, lack of a first-line D to play with Weber is a hole in the Habs lineup, but that doesn't mean they are looking to do anything about that right now. To get such a D, they need to give up something significant, and it is far too early in the season to be doing that.

Once the trade deadline approaches Bergevin will be in a much better position to evaluate what the team's most pressing needs are (the other big one right now is that the Habs are currently mediocre at best at the 1C position), and see how they stack up against Tampa and whomever else they think they will have to get through if they want to make a good run in the playoffs. Between now and then injuries can happen, other holes may develop or become more pressing, and other teams will also have a better clue on what their needs are and what they are willing to give up.

Kypreos is actually pretty reliable when it comes to info about the Habs, pretty sure he broke the Weber/Subban trade first.

 

[Richiebottles]

Kypreos is actually pretty reliable when it comes to info about the Habs, pretty sure he broke the Weber/Subban trade first.

He did. He was the first one.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

What would be the price to acquire Muzzin (LAK)? He could be great with Weber, although he's had a tough start (1 point in 10 games, and -5 +/-). What about Beaulieu + Juulsen (+ pick/prospect)?

 

[TT1]

What would be the price to acquire Muzzin (LAK)? He could be great with Weber, although he's had a tough start (1 point in 10 games, and -5 +/-). What about Beaulieu + Juulsen (+ pick/prospect)?

L.A is a perennial contender, theyre not gonna trade 1 of their core players (Doughty's partner) whos on a good contract.

 

[Breakers]

Montreal will get a good look tonight at a team who will most certainly be selling assets.

Edler and Tanev are 2 that come to mind.

 

[TT1]

Montreal will get a good look tonight at a team who will most certainly be selling assets.

Edler and Tanev are 2 that come to mind.

Tanev would be great if he was a LD. Could be a possibility if him or Petry play LD with Weber, i know Petry's played there before (he plays LD with Weber on the PP). I imagine the asking price for Tanev would be Sergachev, which hurts.

Edler i'm not sure about, haven't seen him play much recently so I can only judge him based on his advanced stats, which aren't very good.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

L.A is a perennial contender, theyre not gonna trade 1 of their core players (Doughty's partner) whos on a good contract.

Doughty's partner is Martinez now. And I don't think they're contenders anymore. They're what I call "fading contenders", ever since winning their last cup. Their core just isn't the same anymore. They could use a mini rebuild at this point, and hope they get right back in the game.

 

[Habsfan2731]

Alex Edler would definitely be the guy for me out of Fowler, Brodin among others mentioned.

Emelin (cap reasons $4.1M top 4 LHD signed for this season & next) + Brett Lernout (hulking RHD who's developed nicely) + 2017 1st.

Then make a move for a middle six LW. Preferably a 3rd liner.. Maybe Stafford. 3rd for Stafford.

David Desharnais (cap reasons $3.5M for the rest of this season) + 2017 3rd (conditional 2nd if Montreal makes the SCF)

Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Alex Radulov
Artturi Lehkonen - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher
Drew Stafford - Charles Hudon/Mike McCarron - Andrew Shaw
Daniel Carr - Torrey Mitchell - Paul Byron
(Brian Flynn)

Alexander Edler - Shea Weber
Nathan Beaulieu - Jeff Petry
Andrei Markov - Greg Pateryn