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[ottawa]

I’m not upset but I don’t understand why you won’t take no for an answer. That’s pretty simple and straightforward. Has nothing to with Roy or anything else. Keep Price. Enjoy his play. But please stop trying to push him on us. We know you regard Price as the greatest thing since sliced bread was invented. We’re simply not interested and definitely don’t view things the way you do.

No is a fine answer, but the "we" in "we're not interested" is always a funny answer lol. 30 fanbases will say they're not interested in a player (Price or someone else) and half the GM's might call on him. When a player of Price's caliber is available, it's rare that "we're not interested" is the case. Hell, Chiarot has higher value than Price according to everyone here.

But then again, this is a message board so that's as far as our fantasy can go.

Good talk though.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

imagine the habs retaining 50% of Price contract for 5 years thats what 26mill plus having to pay another goalie....

return better be great

move on Price aint going nowhere

 

[flyfysher]

No is a fine answer, but the "we" in "we're not interested" is always a funny answer lol. 30 fanbases will say they're not interested in a player (Price or someone else) and half the GM's might call on him. When a player of Price's caliber is available, it's rare that "we're not interested" is the case. Hell, Chiarot has higher value than Price according to everyone here.

But then again, this is a message board so that's as far as our fantasy can go.

Good talk though.

I’m sure Sakic would call just like he did with Eichel. He’d be remiss not to do so. But I am equally sure he’d realize it’s not feasible.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

If price had any value the kraken would have just picked him up and retained to get a deal. It's not like Price is rising his value by not playing any games. This contract is dead weight. I don't want 50% of a dead cap hit. Get Price to have a season + of no substance abuse issues with .920+ numbers and we'll talk.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If price had any value the kraken would have just picked him up and retained to get a deal. It's not like Price is rising his value by not playing any games. This contract is dead weight. I don't want 50% of a dead cap hit. Get Price to have a season + of no substance abuse issues with .920+ numbers and we'll talk.

Don't pretend that all teams are prepared to retain 50%. As a big market team with very high local TV revenue, Habs can do it. Seattle doing that right out of the gate is not the same situation. Seattle is on record at saying they seriously considered taking Price. It was not just this quick no narrative.

A few things need to happen first. Price needs to play hockey again and put the heath concerns in the past. He can do that from Jan-end of the season. Not likely he will be traded at the deadline but you never know how this picks up steam. Then the Habs need to hire a GM and indicate what their direction will be. A complete rebuild or reset? If it's a rebuild, Price will open his NMC to move to a contender and the only way the Habs can move him in the flat cap is to retain a substantial amount. If the Habs are willing to retain 50%, his value is way more than what you see on HF boards.

 

[TBF1972]

That's not true, no one has reported what it's about so speculating on his problems is just a waste of time.

he probably didn't enter the player assistance program for being a workaholic

any addiction will negatively impact his value. lack of information imo is probably even worse than transparency. with the information public i wouldn't invest anything in price - even at 75% retained.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Sure I suppose thats true, but with retention and The Habs taking a bad contract back also that risk is minimal

The risk is that all that cap space has significant value and Montreal likely wants to be compensated for retaining/taking back bad contracts, which drives the asking price significantly higher than just about anyone else who is potentially available. 1st + A + B prospects + possibly still useful player on a bad contract is a lot to give up for a goalie with an lackluster resume over the last 4+ years, even with his recent playoff play and overall talent level.

Even if Price is 100% healthy, we'd still need a lot of things to go right to win the Cup, because it's damn hard to do. We are also going to need good youngsters on ELCs/cheap contracts to supplement the roster when role players inevitably leave in UFA, so giving up that kind of return for a minor upgrade in net is a tough pill to swallow.

So, my question is, why should a team give up that much for Price instead of signing a good UFA for just the cap space? Or instead of trading something like a 2nd round pick for Quick, with his 2 Cups and a Smythe? Unless there's a good answer to these questions, then I don't see how to justify the trade, because it looks like really bad asset management to me.

 

[ottawa]

If price had any value the kraken would have just picked him up and retained to get a deal. It's not like Price is rising his value by not playing any games. This contract is dead weight. I don't want 50% of a dead cap hit. Get Price to have a season + of no substance abuse issues with .920+ numbers and we'll talk.

This has been asked and answered. Go through previous posts or my post history.

 

[ottawa]

he probably didn't enter the player assistance program for being a workaholic

any addiction will negatively impact his value. lack of information imo is probably even worse than transparency. with the information public i wouldn't invest anything in price - even at 75% retained.

A lack of transparency is bad?

Lmao that's such a dumb take...are you sure you want to lead with that? Get over yourself...it's none of your business.

If he wants to tell the team that might acquire him, then sure. But that doesn't mean the media or you still have the right to know for "transparency's sake". Dumb as it gets.

 

[McJedi]

No interest in Debrusk, who has no where near the value of Toffoli.

Debrusk+1st for Chiarot(no retention)+Armia is more realistic value for both side.

You want to retain max on Chairot to get value. He’s on an expiring contract so no impact on future years.

I don’t think Armia carries much value and I doubt Boston wants or has the cap space to add his deal with term.

should focus like I did on a smaller deal. Chariot with retention for a 1st. The simplest deal is the one most likely to get done.

 

[McJedi]

A lack of transparency is bad?

Lmao that's such a dumb take...are you sure you want to lead with that? Get over yourself...it's none of your business.

If he wants to tell the team that might acquire him, then sure. But that doesn't mean the media or you still have the right to know for "transparency's sake". Dumb as it gets.

Hahaha. “If Price wants to tell a team about his addiction issues.”

if? That’s funny. There are ZERO NHL teams that would acquire Price without a deep dive into why he’s been AWOL this season.

wouldn’t need to be for public consumption, but that acquiring team would demand substantial transparency on what’s wrong with Price.

 

[HabsCode]

You want to retain max on Chairot to get value. He’s on an expiring contract so no impact on future years.

I don’t think Armia carries much value and I doubt Boston wants or has the cap space to add his deal with term.

should focus like I did on a smaller deal. Chariot with retention for a 1st. The simplest deal is the one most likely to get done.

Habs should 100% do Chiarot+retention for a first if they don't plan on trading Price, Petry and Gallagher this season. Since all of these guy will need retained salary for a trade to work. But I think if we rebuild, they might consider moving all of them this season.

 

[TBF1972]

A lack of transparency is bad?

Lmao that's such a dumb take...are you sure you want to lead with that? Get over yourself...it's none of your business.

If he wants to tell the team that might acquire him, then sure. But that doesn't mean the media or you still have the right to know for "transparency's sake". Dumb as it gets.

i don't think i have a right to know anything about price's personal stuff. not at all. i also don't really care about it.

in business terms lack of information is risk. the less you know the bigger the risk and the less i want to be associated with it. as said before, with the public information available, price current value (my personal valuation) is negative regardless of retention.

 

[ottawa]

Hahaha. “If Price wants to tell a team about his addiction issues.”

if? That’s funny. There are ZERO NHL teams that would acquire Price without a deep dive into why he’s been AWOL this season.

wouldn’t need to be for public consumption, but that acquiring team would demand substantial transparency on what’s wrong with Price.

Read what I said again and the guy I responded to who demanded to know what his issues are since "transparency is so much worse"

I agree with you, there is literally 0% chance the team acquiring him won't know what his issues are. The point I was making is that there's no point on speculating on what his issues were since nothing has been reported on it. Just speculation.

If the habs are letting him practice again, then guaranteed they think he's ready to come back. People keep forgetting he admitted himself to the program so he must have at least had one hand on the steering wheel.

 

[McJedi]

Habs should 100% do Chiarot+retention for a first if they don't plan on trading Price, Petry and Gallagher this season. Since all of these guy will need retained salary for a trade to work. But I think if we rebuild, they might consider moving all of them this season.

Be realistic. Price isn’t moveable, not this season and probably not after it either. It’s going to be hard to move either of the other two you listed. They’ve recently signed deals with term and neither is playing well.

none of those three carry much trade value at present (Price has deeply negative value) and retaining on any of them comes with a long term cost to the Habs. Not just $, which their owners can afford, but the loss of annual cap space (and as you note, their finite retention slots).

the Habs realistic trade candidates are Chairot and Lehkonen…. After them, the buyer pool shrinks for any of the vets with term (think Hoffman, Toffoli, Arima, Gallagher, Petry).

I’d be surprised if the Habs felt trading Anderson was prudent.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Don't pretend that all teams are prepared to retain 50%. As a big market team with very high local TV revenue, Habs can do it. Seattle doing that right out of the gate is not the same situation. Seattle is on record at saying they seriously considered taking Price. It was not just this quick no narrative.

A few things need to happen first. Price needs to play hockey again and put the heath concerns in the past. He can do that from Jan-end of the season. Not likely he will be traded at the deadline but you never know how this picks up steam. Then the Habs need to hire a GM and indicate what their direction will be. A complete rebuild or reset? If it's a rebuild, Price will open his NMC to move to a contender and the only way the Habs can move him in the flat cap is to retain a substantial amount. If the Habs are willing to retain 50%, his value is way more than what you see on HF boards.

Good luck with that. Don't pretend that Price has the same value as before or that you aren't desperate to move him because the team is going into full rebuild mode.

If seattle serious considered taking price, its because they have the money to do it. Not hard for them to know they have the money to make it work. They didn't take Price because it might have just been doing montreal a huge favor.

 

[PAZ]

No is a fine answer, but the "we" in "we're not interested" is always a funny answer lol. 30 fanbases will say they're not interested in a player (Price or someone else) and half the GM's might call on him. When a player of Price's caliber is available, it's rare that "we're not interested" is the case. Hell, Chiarot has higher value than Price according to everyone here.

But then again, this is a message board so that's as far as our fantasy can go.

Good talk though.

Chiarot was protected in the ED. Allen was protected over Price, and at the end of the day Cale Fleury was chosen over Price.

What does that tell you about Price's trade value around the league? How stupid of Bergevin to expose Price. Francis not to take him, and every other GM in the league not call Francis and offer even a 2nd for Price so they could get him on the cheap.

What exactly has changed between the ED and now, besides that Price went into rehab? That definitely will boost his value. If you want to use surgery as an excuse, apparently Price is the only player that nobody wants after an injury. That didn't stop Montreal from paying up for Anderson, or Vegas paying up for Eichel. Weird how Price is the only player in the league that commands superstar value if healthy, but a simply knee surgery tanks his value to nothing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Good luck with that. Don't pretend that Price has the same value as before or that you aren't desperate to move him because the team is going into full rebuild mode.

If seattle serious considered taking price, its because they have the money to do it. Not hard for them to know they have the money to make it work. They didn't take Price because it might have just been doing montreal a huge favor.

If Price had the same value as before, I would be asking for more than futures not turned pro yet. Price at 50% retention is a game changer and my asking price is a late 1st, Grade A, and a Grade B (All 3 pieces not turned pro yet). My price is not the same as other Habs fans.

I understand risks from both sides. Habs could look like fools if those futures bust or disapoint while Price is winning cups with his new team. Or the team that takes on Price does not win and Price has more health issues while the Habs hit with the futures. Or both teams are left with disappointments. Truth is in the middle and this is the stance I'm taking. Offering up Price with 50% retention is a game changer and yes, it does not come with zero risks. But a late 1st, Grade A, and Grade B for the star goalie who performed like a star last playoffs is not a monster asking price. Price gives a cup contender looking for a goalie a real chance at a cup. Your not getting the Habs to offer substantial cap savings and giving you a chance at a cup for less.

 

[ottawa]

Chiarot was protected in the ED. Allen was protected over Price, and at the end of the day Cale Fleury was chosen over Price.

What does that tell you about Price's trade value around the league? How stupid of Bergevin to expose Price. Francis not to take him, and every other GM in the league not call Francis and offer even a 2nd for Price so they could get him on the cheap.

What exactly has changed between the ED and now, besides that Price went into rehab? That definitely will boost his value. If you want to use surgery as an excuse, apparently Price is the only player that nobody wants after an injury. That didn't stop Montreal from paying up for Anderson, or Vegas paying up for Eichel. Weird how Price is the only player in the league that commands superstar value if healthy, but a simply knee surgery tanks his value to nothing.

Asked and answered regarding expansion draft already...go through previous posts in this thread

 

[GirardSpinorama]

If Price had the same value as before, I would be asking for more than futures not turned pro yet. Price at 50% retention is a game changer and my asking price is a late 1st, Grade A, and a Grade B (All 3 pieces not turned pro yet). My price is not the same as other Habs fans.

I understand risks from both sides. Habs could look like fools if those futures bust or disapoint while Price is winning cups with his new team. Or the team that takes on Price does not win and Price has more health issues while the Habs hit with the futures. Or both teams are left with disappointments. Truth is in the middle and this is the stance I'm taking. Offering up Price with 50% retention is a game changer and yes, it does not come with zero risks. But a late 1st, Grade A, and Grade B for the star goalie who performed like a star last playoffs is not a monster asking price. Price gives a cup contender looking for a goalie a real chance at a cup. Your not getting the Habs to offer substantial cap savings and giving you a chance at a cup for less.

Even without the HUGE risks with Price, Montreal would still be asking for futures for Price; unless you think you aren't going into a rebuild? You're thinking that a 50% retention on Price makes him a good contract. No it doesn't. He is still OLD, the contract is still 5M and too long.

Even your old GM went out to get an expensive backup so that Price no longer plays as a full starter. Do you really want 5M on a 39 year old who can only play 30% of the season? Again, this is not even considering it could be a complete deadweight if Price retires. He could certainly retire before his contract ends.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Even without the HUGE risks with Price, Montreal would still be asking for futures for Price; unless you think you aren't going into a rebuild? Teams aren't giving away good future pieces and taking on 5M in a potential dead weight. You're thinking that a 50% retention on Price makes him a good contract. No it doesn't. He is still OLD, the contract is still 5M and too long, and his issues could make it complete deadweight. Do you really want 5M on a 39 year old?

Yes, my futures are a late 1st, Grade A, and Grade B (all not turned pro yet) and the Habs retain up to 50% while also taking on dead weight for 1/2 years.

Price is signed from 34-38. He has dealt with injurie issues which concerns some people but he's also coming off a performance in the playoffs where he played like a star in the Playoffs. No doubt in my mind that he gets a 3/4 year deal around $5M if he was a pending UFA this summer. Risks apply in many ways. Thinking Quick is a solution as a UFA this summer and giving him a 3 year deal is also risky. He's older than Price and Price can carry your further. It easy to be concerned today cause Price is recovering and taking his time coming back. But when he starts playing again and is the same Price, those concerns fade a bit. We can't trade Price until he is healthy again. Reality

I don't think this idea the Habs have is a big reach. We are stretching ourselves in cap concessions to give a contender an edge in net. We are doing this cause we don't want Price to drown in a rebuild. We prefer Price to get a chance to win a cup with other team while we get some futures in return that help our rebuild. This is far from trying to off load him cause we don't want him and then laugh at you after the trade.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yes, my futures are a late 1st, Grade A, and Grade B (all not turned pro yet) and the Habs retain up to 50% while also taking on dead weight for 1/2 years.

Price is signed from 34-38. He has dealt with injurie issues which concerns some people but he's also coming off a performance in the playoffs where he played like a star in the Playoffs. No doubt in my mind that he gets a 3/4 year deal around $5M if he was a pending UFA this summer. Risks apply in many ways. Thinking Quick is a solution as a UFA this summer and giving him a 3 year deal is also risky. He's older than Price and Price can carry your further. It easy to be concerned today cause Price is recovering and taking his time coming back. But when he starts playing again and is the same Price, those concerns fade a bit. We can't trade Price until he is healthy again. Reality

I don't think this idea the Habs have is a big reach. We are stretching ourselves in cap concessions to give a contender an edge in net. We are doing this cause we don't want Price to drown in a rebuild. We prefer Price to get a chance to win a cup with other team while we get some futures in return that help our rebuild. This is far from trying to off load him cause we don't want him and then laugh at you after the trade.

Quick as a UFA would cost nothing. Price as a UFA would cost nothing. You're asking for compensation for an aging goalie with a risky long term contract.

 

[PAZ]

Asked and answered regarding expansion draft already...go through previous posts in this thread

It really doesn't, these are the answers:

The price that needed "surgery"?

Did you see Price in the playoffs? Him returning to regular play isn't really a concern.

He said he's passed his issues, only he knows that and has no reason to lie.

You're looking for a fire where there is none.

Price just needs to get you to the playoffs even if he sucks on the way there...he's arguably the best playoff goalie in the league (top 3 at worst).

It'd be a bad trade if he goes to a bottom feeder.




The habs exposed him and said he'll need surgery, Seattle was leaning towards him but his "surgery" put a question mark on him. Literally everyone understands this except you. I'm literally talking to a wall right now.

Report: Carey Price Injury Complicates Expansion Draft
Carey Price's uncertain injury status complicates Kraken's decision

So again I ask, how is Carey Price the only player that goes from being valued less than Cale Fleury due to a knee surgery, to being worth a superstar goalie? Injuries didn't tank other player's value to nothing, as I stated in my previous post. Eichel still returned a huge package, albeit less than he would've got healthy. Anderson still returned Domi. Yet Price isn't worth gambling over Cale Fleury to 31 other GMs in the league?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Quick as a UFA would cost nothing. Price as a UFA would cost nothing. You're asking for compensation for an aging goalie with a risky long term contract.

Correct. Quick costs nothing but he can't take you as far as Price can. I don't expect the Avs fans to value Price at this stage.

Imagine if the Avs sign Quick and the Oilers trade for Price. Who would I give a chance at winning a cup more than the other? Answer is the Oilers

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Correct. Quick costs nothing but he can't take you as far as Price can. I don't expect the Avs fans to value Price at this stage.

Imagine if the Avs sign Quick and the Oilers trade for Price. Who would I give a chance at winning a cup more than the other? Answer is the Oilers

I disagree, Quick is having a great year, he has been on even worse teams than the Habs and he has actually won a cup. Also, you can use those assets to upgrade your team elsewhere. I also don't think Quick cost 5M this off season. So I would take Quick for sure.

This is again, not even considering the fact that Price's issues might have him retire any time in the near future.