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Habs fans have been claiming the team is worthless without Price for years, and regularly make the "the team in front of him is garbage" argument whenever someone questions Price's value. His mediocre regular season numbers only suck because of the team. His lack of playoff success was because of the team. (This argument has now predictably switched to "his little bit of playoff success is in spite of the team, because they obviously all still suck".) But God forbid that anyone else say something even remotely similar to this, because then it's obviously not true and due to blind hatred of Price/the Habs/whatever, while simultaneously being confirmation that it's 100% true and proof that Price must be worth a ton.

The reality is that just the retention necessary to make Price's contract palatable is going to be significantly more expensive than Price is currently worth. There are significant questions about his health, his consistency, and his age, and even at 50%, he comes with a buy out proof cap hit of $5.25m for the next 4 years. For the privilege of taking on that extremely risky cap hit, teams only have to give up a 1st + A + B prospect (or more, depending on the Habs fan). The issue is that there's guys who don't have nearly as many risks who are available for significantly less. Maybe his ceiling is a little higher than anyone else, but that doesn't really do anything to mitigate those risks. So, what's the incentive to give up that much for Price? Why not just give Keumper a shot at the playoffs and keep all the assets?

I never said The Avs should do it. Edmonton either for that matter. I simply said there is a double standard on this site.

Depending on the thread he is either The Habs savior in the playoffs or a worthless anchor doomed to sink any team. I know what I would pay or what I would expect if I were The Habs but Im sure that would be too much for you and not nearly enough for most Hab fans.
 
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GirardSpinorama

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Ok, and stay out of this thread of it triggers you so much?

Habs fans have nothing to prove about his value (nor can we) until he gets traded. If Gorton trades him, I'm sure he's not doing it for pennies on the dollar...we're not short on cap space and can easily ride out his contract.

Cool ride it out. That'll help with the rebuild for sure.

This is thread specifically involves the Avs. If it makes you mad that we don't think Price has any value to us, you should stay out of it.
 

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I never said The Avs should do it. Edmonton either for that matter. I simply said there is a double standard on this site.

Depending on the thread he is either The Habs savior in the playoffs or a worthless anchor doomed to sink any team. I know what I would pay or what I would expect if I were The Habs but Im sure that would be too much for you and not nearly enough for most Hab fans.

Sure, you said there's a double standard, but then claimed that people saying two things that can both be true at the same time is somehow evidence of this double standard, so I'm still confused here. Can he not be both the Habs best player and ALSO have a horrible contract that requires so much retention that it makes him much too expensive to justify trying to acquire?
 

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I hope you have a really convincing argument for Price to even be top 3, because Holtby, Quick, Vasi and Matt Murray all have better career playoff SV% numbers and have each won at least 1 Cup, with Quick and Vasi adding a Smythe each. I'm also pretty sure that the Avs could get Holtby or Quick for significantly less than Price, so he's not even arguably the best playoff goalie that might be available, despite being the most expensive option.
Ya i guess the teams these so -called better goalies played on had nothing to do with anything.
Matt Murry... :lol:
 

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Habs fans on HF: Price is awesome, last year's playoffs prove it!

Also Habs fans: Let's trade him away!
 

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Ya i guess the teams these so -called better goalies played on had nothing to do with anything.
Matt Murry... :lol:

Is that your best argument in Price's favor? Or is pretending that goalies who outperform Price are just a result of their team somehow supposed to convince me that Price is worth acquiring?
 

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Is that your best argument in Price's favor? Or is pretending that goalies who outperform Price are just a result of their team somehow supposed to convince me that Price is worth acquiring?
Comparing goalies with a great supporting cast compared to one that Price had in the last 10 seasons isn't going to convince me Price isn't a starter for most playoff contenders...today.
 
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Comparing goalies with a great supporting cast compared to one that Price had in the last 10 seasons isn't going to convince me Price isn't a starter for most playoff contenders...today.

Any chance you can quote the part where anyone said Price isn't a starter? Because I'm not sure how you got that from literally anything I've said.
 

ole ole

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Any chance you can quote the part where anyone said Price isn't a starter? Because I'm not sure how you got that from literally anything I've said.
A starter on most contending teams especially for desperate ones like the Avs who have no chance with the goaltending they have.
 

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A starter on most contending teams especially for desperate ones like the Avs who have no chance with the goaltending they have.

So, now the Avs are desperate and have no chance? And you think that baseless claim somehow proves that Price is "the best playoff goalie in the league", as was previously claimed?
 

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As a Bruins fan, Montreal has exactly the right two players I want Boston to get, a top pairing lefty in Chiarot, and a right winger who can finish like Toffoli (of course he’s out now). But I doubt we have anything Montreal wants in return.
 

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As a Bruins fan, Montreal has exactly the right two players I want Boston to get, a top pairing lefty in Chiarot, and a right winger who can finish like Toffoli (of course he’s out now). But I doubt we have anything Montreal wants in return.
DeBrusk may be worth a flier to them. You got a 2022 1st round pick as well.

offer that 1st for Chairot at 50% retention. They’d quickly accept that.
 

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DeBrusk may be worth a flier to them. You got a 2022 1st round pick as well.

offer that 1st for Chairot at 50% retention. They’d quickly accept that.
No interest in Debrusk, who has no where near the value of Toffoli.

Debrusk+1st for Chiarot(no retention)+Armia is more realistic value for both side.
 

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It would be one thing if he had a single year left on his contract or his cap hit was low but 4 more years at $5 million, age 34 and having health issues of some sort that has made him not even play this season? Hell no.
 

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Sure, you said there's a double standard, but then claimed that people saying two things that can both be true at the same time is somehow evidence of this double standard, so I'm still confused here. Can he not be both the Habs best player and ALSO have a horrible contract that requires so much retention that it makes him much too expensive to justify trying to acquire?

Sure I suppose thats true, but with retention and The Habs taking a bad contract back also that risk is minimal
 

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My point being is that there’s multiple reasons for Colorado not to want him.
And yet he’s good enough to start for Canada at the Olympics once recovered. Guaranteed if it wasn’t for the price tag Sakic would take him. Avs philosophy is like Boston…. No overpriced contracts.

mall this to say I agree that there are question marks at this time, but I wouldn’t write him off. As early as this past spring we saw what he is still capable of doing
 

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Habs - Avs

Price+Chariot - Keumper, Girard, 2022 1st, 2023 1st with money retained by the Habs


Habs - Bruins

Petry+Toffoli+Armia - DeBrusk+Foligno+1st 2022 with money retained by the Habs
Bruins are not trading anymore 1st picks for a while and certainly not for those players.
 

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If the playoff stats/resume mattered that much, the Habs' wouldn't have exposed him and the kraken would have been happy to take him. Why risk losing that big of an asset for free. We have two teams who obviously don't view price having the value that Hab fans are asking.

Actually, I have a package a few Oilers would consider. And I can't stress this enough... you keep saying "Habs fans" but the return price varies so it's disingenuous to spin that over and over again.

Price asked the Habs to expose him. And some fans would have been OK if Seattle took him. But once again, Price at full cap hit vs 50% is not even close to the same. Not many Habs fans are pushing Price out at full cap hit.

Personally, I rather engage with the Oilers. They value what Price can do when healthy more than the Avs fans on HF boards. A bit of a burn but I would love to see the Oilers knock out the Avs and their "cheap hot goalie" strategy during the time Price has left and I have no doubt he gives the Oilers the extra edge they need to go deep. They way Avs fans have traded the Habs, you would deserve the jabs
 

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You didn't bring up the price at all, read your post again.

You just wasted my time and I didn't even read past the bolded...I'm assuming the rest is also a waste of time.

What are you talking about? Everyone and their dog has talked about the price of Price. Go "waste your time" on all of the others posts speculating on the price.
 

Peter Peckerwood

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Actually, I have a package a few Oilers would consider. And I can't stress this enough... you keep saying "Habs fans" but the return price varies so it's disingenuous to spin that over and over again.

Price asked the Habs to expose him. And some fans would have been OK if Seattle took him. But once again, Price at full cap hit vs 50% is not even close to the same. Not many Habs fans are pushing Price out at full cap hit.

Personally, I rather engage with the Oilers. They value what Price can do when healthy more than the Avs fans on HF boards. A bit of a burn but I would love to see the Oilers knock out the Avs and their "cheap hot goalie" strategy during the time Price has left and I have no doubt he gives the Oilers the extra edge they need to go deep. They way Avs fans have traded the Habs, you would deserve the jabs

Engage away as an armchair GM with Oiler armchair GMs as if any offer to you has any part of reality. By all means, please leave the Avs out of any CP trade proposals and put Colorado completely out of your mind.
Then you won't get any more hurt feelers as apparently it is a personal affront to you anytime someone doesn't value CP like you and a few other Habs fans feel. Chill and enjoy your rebuild. At least Bargain Bin is gone.
 
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