Proposal: Habs - Avs, Habs — Bruins

[Boondock]

Has there been any indication that the Canadians would be willing to eat 50% on the Price contract? This is a major detail that many Habs fans seem to think is a given, but I don't see any chance the Canadians eat $5.25 for 4+ seasons. In the history of retained salary deals the most any team has retained on a single player was a portion of $4.5 for Eric Staal in the last year of his deal. The Yotes are retaining $990,000 a year for 5 years on OEL, but combined that is less than 1 year of 50% retention on Price. I personally don't think 50% retention is going to happen and this will greatly impact the return.

 

[keglu]

Hahahaha holy shit this is the worst take I've ever seen on this website WOW

. 909 goalie in that time period, which puts him 29th of 44 goalies with 100+ games played

 

[ottawa]

Please tell me English is your 2nd language, because that's the only reason why you can't comprehend what I write. If that is the case, then it makes a lot more sense.

No shit Buffalo wasn't leaving Eichel exposed, hence the 'Can you imagine' (i.e. a hypothetical situation). It was to highlight how asinine your previous comments were about teams not wanting Price due his injury, when there are examples of other players getting traded with similar risk.

My point was that Eichel had value even with an career-altering injury, as your whole argument was that teams didn't want to take on Price due to a career-altering injury.

Wrong on all counts

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

. 909 goalie in that time period, which puts him 29th of 44 goalies with 100+ games played

To add some context, Dubnyk has nearly identical numbers as Price over the last 4 seasons and is currently on an AHL PTO because no one wanted him even at league minimum.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Carey Price looked like fringe starter in past 4 years.
You trying to sell goalie that was left open in expansion draft and not picked up. I suggest you try to adjust your expectation about his trade value.

No doubt in my mind that a healthy Price gives a cup contender an edge to win a cup. You can go stat checking for goalies on weak teams all day long. It don't reflect his true ability and how he shows up in big games. He didn't look like a fringe starter in the playoff run last year.

Keep trying to devalue his ability. The real issue is can he get healthy and put this in the past.

 

[Habs Halifax]

To add some context, Dubnyk has nearly identical numbers as Price over the last 4 seasons and is currently on an AHL PTO because no one wanted him even at league minimum.

Stat obsession and ignoring context of true ability if they played on the same team. If you think Dubnyk has the same ability as Price for a chance at a cup cause you are stat searching, go trade for him!

Avs of all people should know about stats on different teams after seeing Grubauer go from what he did last year with the Avs to his numbers in Seattle.

Don't worry, we prefer to trade Price to the Oilers at 50% anyways. Price and the Oilers won't hear your devalue narrative cause they will have cup rings in their ears

 

[Habs Halifax]

I am curious what this accepted package to the Oilers would be seeing as they have $4.4 in cap space for next year with 14 players signed. So that means they are going to eat whatever portion of Prices salary, re-sign Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, McLeod and fill out the remaining 4-5 spots on the roster - hopefully improving their depth because that has been their biggest need.

So the Oil are doing all this and expecting to be competitive throughout the 4.5 years of the Price contract because that's the McDavid and Dria prime years.

So how much are the Habs retaining and what other contracts are they taking on without damaging depth - so obviously no Holloway, Broberg or Bouchard.

I posted my platform package a few times and some Oilers fans don't like it and some do. But not worth posting it again cause of the many others who are on the Price Devalue train. Too much nit picking going on with Price at 50% retention cause he is not playing right now.

 

[AslanRH]

Stat obsession and ignoring context of true ability if they played on the same team. If you think Dubnyk has the same ability as Price for a chance at a cup cause you are stat searching, go trade for him!

Avs of all people should know about stats on different teams after seeing Grubauer go from what he did last year with the Avs to his numbers in Seattle.

Don't worry, we prefer to trade Price to the Oilers at 50% anyways. Price and the Oilers won't hear your devalue narrative cause they will have cup rings in their ears

For someone who prefers dealing with Edmonton and clearly feels disrespected by HFAvs fans, you sure seem intent on expanding your post count repeating yourself to them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

For someone who prefers dealing with Edmonton and clearly feels disrespected by HFAvs fans, you sure seem intent on expanding your post count repeating yourself to them.

I'm defending my stance and opinion. Yeah, I would prefer to trade Price to the Oilers and cheer for them to win a cup. I'm a huge MacKinnon fan and a Mooseheads season ticket holder but the way Avs fans disrespect the Habs and Price, I would increase the asking price on the Avs vs the Oilers. You don't want him anyways so not sure what the Avs obsession is at devaluing him. HF board nit picking and throwing jabs type of BS.

If you want to devalue Price, it will be defended. Get use to it

 

[AslanRH]

I'm defending my stance and opinion. Yeah, I would prefer to trade Price to the Oilers and cheer for them to win a cup. I'm a huge MacKinnon fan and a Mooseheads season ticket holder but the way Avs fans disrespect the Habs and Price, I would increase the asking price on the Avs vs the Oilers. You don't want him anyways so not sure what the Avs obsession is at devaluing him. HF board nit picking and throwing jabs type of BS.

If you want to devalue Price, it will be defended. Get use to it

I have devalued nothing except perhaps his contractual fit within the Avs future structure, but you do you

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Stat obsession and ignoring context of true ability if they played on the same team. If you think Dubnyk has the same ability as Price for a chance at a cup cause you are stat searching, go trade for him!

Avs of all people should know about stats on different teams after seeing Grubauer go from what he did last year with the Avs to his numbers in Seattle.

Don't worry, we prefer to trade Price to the Oilers at 50% anyways. Price and the Oilers won't hear your devalue narrative cause they will have cup rings in their ears

Why the hell would I want Dubnyk? He sucks. And if Price is so much greater than Dubnyk, as you claim, why hasn't Price put up even slightly better regular season numbers than Dubnyk, who sucks? Are you really trying to claim that Montreal is so much worse than Minnesota and San Jose were with Dubnyk that it makes up for Price numbers not being significantly better? Because Grubauer went from the best team in the regular season last year to a brand new expansion team built to amass high draft picks, which drastically changed the overall team quality in front of him.

And, if you prefer to trade Price to the Oilers, maybe you need to get people to stop with the threads trying to trade Price to the Avs. That's probably better than repeatedly arguing that the Avs should definitely want Price, regardless of the fact that literally everyone is saying the Avs aren't interested.

 

[Muffin]

Not sure how many times Habs fans have to hear it to get it through their heads, Price has no value, absolutely zero. Everyone in the league knows it, Seattle would rather give Grubauer long term at 6M than take him for FREE.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have devalued nothing except perhaps his contractual fit within the Avs future structure, but you do you

"IF" word as a meaning. So it appears you are not devaluing him like others. I don't memorize what everyone is saying but there is a general overall devalue narrative by a fair amount of Avs fans at the moment. I'll steer shy of accusing all Avs fans or grouping them like it's done towards the Habs

As far as contractual fit... 50% retention is $5.25M. If you can't fit that in, I guess you are forced to go with cheaper young goalies with the hope they can carry you on a hot run.

 

[AslanRH]

"IF" word as a meaning. So it appears you are not devaluing him like others. I don't memorize what everyone is saying but there is a general overall devalue narrative by a fair amount of Avs fans at the moment. I'll steer shy of accusing all Avs fans or grouping them like it's done towards the Habs

As far as contractual fit... 50% retention is $5.25M. If you can't fit that in, I guess you are forced to go with cheaper young goalies with the hope they can carry you on a hot run.

Until there is even a modicum of credible evidence the Habs (or any team) will retain 50% for 4 more seasons without a ransom 3-4 times what Toronto paid for Marleau, the discussion is just HF tedium

 

[Habs Halifax]

Until there is even a modicum of credible evidence the Habs (or any team) will retain 50% for 4 more seasons without a ransom 3-4 times what Toronto paid for Marleau, the discussion is just HF tedium

Price and Marleau is not the same situation. If you feel like that it true, we will keep him. However, it's a bad example but you can keep trying

 

[AslanRH]

Price and Marleau is not the same situation. If you feel like that it true, we will keep him. However, it's a bad example but you can keep trying

The argument is about the $5+m that would be retained, not the player.
Perhaps you should refrain from accusing other folks of not reading/comprehending

 

[Habs Halifax]

As long as Price is occupying $10.5mm of the Habs cap space while playing zero games on a high lottery pick Habs squad that is among the very worst teams in the NHL, I only see one party that’s getting ruined. Very actively being ruined. Like every other night ruined.

Not offended. Nobody knows how to tank after a Stanley cup finals like the Habs do! . And I'll stop you shy of replying and saying, you are not contenders cause most in the Habs herd agreed that we went on a magical run where they played tight as a team but we were still a bubble team. Even Habs haters didn't say we will be bottom 3 this year... it was... you will likely miss the playoffs narratives and it was a fair statement. I had the Habs anywhere from 10-20 range but lets face it. Loosing guys like Danault, Weber, Perry with Price hurt derailed things beyond what most felt (in and outside of Montreal).

Price will play again and the Habs will get healthy. I doubt they will play any better than .500 hockey. Regardless, teams that might be interested in Price with substantial retention will look at his ability to stay healthy and his movement in net. They won't be stat checking like fans on HF boards. Reality cause they know what he can do already when healthy. Fans acting like he is age 38 already is just a typical devalue narrative.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nope.
It stated "the Habs (or any team) will retain 50% for 4 more seasons without a ransom 3-4 times what Toronto paid for Marleau"

It specifically addresses the value of $5+m in cap hit/salary, not the player.

Sorry, Marleau is a bad example. Not the same term, ability/impact, and age. The ransom is the retention and cap dumps we take back as well. That's it and we are only considering that if we get some futures in return for it.

By bringing up Marleau in the Price conversation, I know where you head is at. Bad example bud

 

[ole ole]

Show me one post that states when healthy Price isn't a starter on most contending teams. I don't think this has been said at any time and there has been a lot of stupid things said in this thread. If you can't separate the difference between a player being a starter and a player not being worth the cost of acquisition then the issue is you.

Post 224

[ Carey Price looked like fringe starter in past 4 years.]
A fringe starter is not A starter for a top contender.
The takes on Price in this thread from the haters are quick comical.

 

[ole ole]

I wouldn't expect that in exchange for Price. I know some Hab fans want to shoot the moon but I don't think that's realistic at all.

As for why The Avs should, I don't know if they should. I was just saying its not all doom and gloom. Price, if healthy, can still put a contender over the top and at 50% is still valuable.

Excellent post.

 

[ole ole]

To add some context, Dubnyk has nearly identical numbers as Price over the last 4 seasons and is currently on an AHL PTO because no one wanted him even at league minimum.

Dubnyk.

 

[AslanRH]

Sorry, Marleau is a bad example. Not the same term, ability/impact, and age. The ransom is the retention and cap dumps we take back as well. That's it and we are only considering that if we get some futures in return for it.

By bringing up Marleau in the Price conversation, I know where you head is at. Bad example bud

Even though there is no evidence this is even on the table
2022/23 - 25/26
Cap hit @ 50% = $5.25m
Real Cash @ 50% = $15.625m

Ignoring the value of Price the player @ 50%, which most everyone agrees has good-very good value (1st + A prospect at minimum)

How much more does Montreal charge to retain?
How much does Team X charge to retain as the middle man?

That has to be factored in the return unless you want to surmise Montreal retains just to free up the contract spot and $5.25m in cap space. (The cash is not an issue for MTL clearly)

That was the point of the post Bud
The established cost of cap space in the last few years makes the "value" of Price's positive impact not worth the squeeze for most teams with a Kuemper caliber goalie

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

So go trade for Dubnyk and show us how he does in the playoffs for you guys.

Didn't we already do this? Because here's my reply from last time.

Why the hell would I want Dubnyk? He sucks. And if Price is so much greater than Dubnyk, as you claim, why hasn't Price put up even slightly better regular season numbers than Dubnyk, who sucks? Are you really trying to claim that Montreal is so much worse than Minnesota and San Jose were with Dubnyk that it makes up for Price numbers not being significantly better? Because Grubauer went from the best team in the regular season last year to a brand new expansion team built to amass high draft picks, which drastically changed the overall team quality in front of him.

And, if you prefer to trade Price to the Oilers, maybe you need to get people to stop with the threads trying to trade Price to the Avs. That's probably better than repeatedly arguing that the Avs should definitely want Price, regardless of the fact that literally everyone is saying the Avs aren't interested.

Any chance you have an answer for any of my questions yet? Any explanation for why the greatest goalie since Roy can't even outperform Dubnyk, other than trying to pretend that Montreal is drastically worse than Minnesota and San Jose were with Dubnyk?

 

[ole ole]

You've been at this in 2 threads over multiple pages. Thanks for ruining not one, but two threads with your crusade for Price. Bravo! People have explained to you in every way possible that it is a cost thing. I've never seen someone beat something into the ground like you. Please do get the last word in because you've made my ignore list. That's rare and despite this user ID being relatively new, I've been on here for many, many years. I think you'd be the 3rd on my list. Congratulations!

He may not get the last word in but their are many others willing to step in and defend Price. So here's the last word from Price defender.
Price at 5.5 would be worth a lot. Thing is the Habs will /should not retain 50 % unless the return is so great that they can't refuse it.

 

[TBF1972]

Post 224

[ Carey Price looked like fringe starter in past 4 years.]
A fringe starter is not A starter for a top contender.
The takes on Price in this thread from the haters are quick comical.

comical is the sniping of the sample size to defend his stature as an elite goaltender and his trade value. on the other hand i remember the trade demand threads for price created by habs fans during the 19/20 and 20/21 regular seasons.

just because a few habs fans ignore the big picture of carey price's body of work over the full last four seasons, his age, his cap hit (retained or not), his term, his off-season surgery and his current installment in the nhlpa player assistance program, you can't expect everybody else to ignore it as well. without price playing above average hockey for at least 40 regular season and/or play-off games, he has NO trade value. if he really comes back strong, you might find a taker at the 2023 trade deadline.