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Would Florida have interest in paying a bigger price for Guentzel+Nedeljkovic but getting Knight off the books?
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Idk anything about how they value their prospects/players but I’d do it for Samsokevich+ Lundell. Maybe that’s off the table from their perspective but idk.
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I can't see Lundell being moved, he's a roster player for us and has a well defined and needed role on the team. Especially for a rental. Samo I can see being available but Guentzel is probably out of our price range.
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Knight doesn't (yet) have the negative value you're implying
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I don't think they view Knight as a cap dump. There were rumors of teams like Edmonton asking about him earlier and were shut down quick. I think they want to see how he does next year (Adan Hill had same issues and is doing fine now).
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Giroux returned Tippett. I think Hoglander is better this season, but Tippett is clearly the better player now.
Hossa returned Colby Armstrong who had similar point production.
There aren't really any other comparable to a player of Jake Guentzel's caliber being traded.
You could argue Horvat, but he re-signed.
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What recent 40 goal, PPG winger doesn't land up and coming prospects?
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Imagine thinking Brisson is the more coveted prospect than Podkolzin despite both literally having identical AHL numbers and the latter has 1.5 seasons of NHL experience while only being 4 months older.
Imagine using the Jeannot trade as a comparable. A 25 year old low AAV guy that fills a unique set of roles and skills to a team that obviously has no issue overspending to get a player like that while banking on potential. Then using the Hall trade as another comparable… a guy who won the Hart trophy and was being traded to a bottom feeder that had a plethora of picks and prospects that they were okay with spending to get the player they wanted. Not to mention he was 27/28 at the time.
Of course, if you traded Guentzel to a team like Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, etc you’ll get the best possible return you could ask for. But you won’t be getting nearly the same value trading a pending UFA to a playoff team, and the return becomes even more narrower when there’s only a select handful of teams of those playoff teams that have shown an interest.
Imagine using the Jeannot trade as a comparable. A 25 year old low AAV guy that fills a unique set of roles and skills to a team that obviously has no issue overspending to get a player like that while banking on potential. Then using the Hall trade as another comparable… a guy who won the Hart trophy and was being traded to a bottom feeder that had a plethora of picks and prospects that they were okay with spending to get the player they wanted. Not to mention he was 27/28 at the time.
Of course, if you traded Guentzel to a team like Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, etc you’ll get the best possible return you could ask for. But you won’t be getting nearly the same value trading a pending UFA to a playoff team, and the return becomes even more narrower when there’s only a select handful of teams of those playoff teams that have shown an interest.
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You just explained why one could think Brisson is a better prospect. A lot similar on paper but one is slightly younger with more offensive skill.
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Tippett ok.. not when he was traded imo. How hes turned out isnt relevant though
Armstrong ok blast from the past nice. Horvat i think is different because of the timing but still fair
Yep..
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Stick to your parody
Wtf is he doing
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James Neal wasn't a 40 goal scorer when Shero traded for him, and Toronto was forcing Kessel out and JR was bidding against himself.
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James Neal returned a top 4 defenseman coming off 37 point and 31 point seasons. More than Hoglander has put up in a season at this point.
Phil Kessel returned Kasperi Kapenen (who went on to put up a 40 point season), Harrington, a 1st, and a 3rd. Kessel also basically forced Toronto's hand.
I think the issue with finding a comparable for Guentzel is players like him are not moved at the deadline.
I could see the Penguins getting a really shitty return for him. I could see them getting a boatload.
The market seems frozen based on his status though. I imagine the Penguins will get a haul. I can't think of a player besides Hossa that was moved since the cap era that had the type of resume Jake does and is still in the age where he has 3-5 great years left.
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Hossa really is the best comparable.
1rst + top prospect + two young roster players
Off of memory last year oreilly and ekholm were the two best players moved.. imo within guentzels tier.. neither got a good young nhl player in the packages
I mean if pittsburgh is focusing on players not futures they could shoot themselves in a foot maybe - maybe not.. i am not so sure they are going to get what they want
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ROR had 19 points in 40 games and was 31
Ekholm is a middle pairing defenseman.
Jake Guentzel is a top 10 LW over the last two years with extreme playoff success.
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I have a feeling he’s getting traded but still coming back home this summer lol
Dont forget dupuis going back
Esposito was a talented wildcard (like shane wright now) - christiansen but boom bust
From memory i dont recall esposito as a top prospect
Personally i try not make too many tiers when i look at players or it can get confusing. These three are all very good players that are impact top half of roster players
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