LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[CheckingLineCenter]

Would Florida have interest in paying a bigger price for Guentzel+Nedeljkovic but getting Knight off the books?

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Would Florida have interest in paying a bigger price for Guentzel+Nedeljkovic but getting Knight off the books?

Florida doesn't have enough to make that happen.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Florida doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Idk anything about how they value their prospects/players but I’d do it for Samsokevich+ Lundell. Maybe that’s off the table from their perspective but idk.

 

[Gurglesons]

Florida doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Disagree.

Samoskevich would be a good piece for the Penguins to add.

 

[TotalHomer]

Idk anything about how they value their prospects/players but I’d do it for Samsokevich+ Lundell. Maybe that’s off the table from their perspective but idk.

I can't see Lundell being moved, he's a roster player for us and has a well defined and needed role on the team. Especially for a rental. Samo I can see being available but Guentzel is probably out of our price range.

 

[andora]

What is a recent deadline rental deal that got a better young nhl player than hoglander?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I can't see Lundell being moved, he's a roster player for us and has a well defined and needed role on the team. Especially for a rental. Samo I can see being available but Guentzel is probably out of our price range.

Dang. Even with Knight’s contract going out?

 

[JKG33]

Dang. Even with Knight’s contract going out?

Knight doesn't (yet) have the negative value you're implying

 

[TotalHomer]

Dang. Even with Knight’s contract going out?

I don't think they view Knight as a cap dump. There were rumors of teams like Edmonton asking about him earlier and were shut down quick. I think they want to see how he does next year (Adan Hill had same issues and is doing fine now).

 

[Gurglesons]

What is a recent deadline rental deal that got a better young nhl player than hoglander?

Giroux returned Tippett. I think Hoglander is better this season, but Tippett is clearly the better player now.

Hossa returned Colby Armstrong who had similar point production.

There aren't really any other comparable to a player of Jake Guentzel's caliber being traded.

You could argue Horvat, but he re-signed.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

What is a recent deadline rental deal that got a better young nhl player than hoglander?

Probably Tippett.

 

[Ugene Magic]

What is a recent deadline rental deal that got a better young nhl player than hoglander?

What recent 40 goal, PPG winger doesn't land up and coming prospects?

 

[LemonSauceD]

Imagine thinking Brisson is the more coveted prospect than Podkolzin despite both literally having identical AHL numbers and the latter has 1.5 seasons of NHL experience while only being 4 months older.

Imagine using the Jeannot trade as a comparable. A 25 year old low AAV guy that fills a unique set of roles and skills to a team that obviously has no issue overspending to get a player like that while banking on potential. Then using the Hall trade as another comparable… a guy who won the Hart trophy and was being traded to a bottom feeder that had a plethora of picks and prospects that they were okay with spending to get the player they wanted. Not to mention he was 27/28 at the time.

Of course, if you traded Guentzel to a team like Buffalo, Anaheim, Chicago, etc you’ll get the best possible return you could ask for. But you won’t be getting nearly the same value trading a pending UFA to a playoff team, and the return becomes even more narrower when there’s only a select handful of teams of those playoff teams that have shown an interest.

 

[Bobby9]

What is a recent deadline rental deal that got a better young nhl player than hoglander?

Kuzmenko

 

[thefutures]

What recent 40 goal, PPG winger doesn't land up and coming prospects.

What did James neal cost u guys? What did Phil Kessel?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Imagine thinking Brisson is the more coveted prospect than Podkolzin despite both literally having identical AHL numbers and the latter has 1.5 seasons of NHL experience while only being 4 months older.

You just explained why one could think Brisson is a better prospect. A lot similar on paper but one is slightly younger with more offensive skill.

 

[Gurglesons]

Guess you aren’t getting Toffoli cheaper.

 

[andora]

Giroux returned Tippett. I think Hoglander is better this season, but Tippett is clearly the better player now.

Hossa returned Colby Armstrong who had similar point production.

There aren't really any other comparable to a player of Jake Guentzel's caliber being traded.

You could argue Horvat, but he re-signed.

Tippett ok.. not when he was traded imo. How hes turned out isnt relevant though

Armstrong ok blast from the past nice. Horvat i think is different because of the timing but still fair

Probably Tippett.

Yep..

What recent 40 goal, PPG winger doesn't land up and coming prospects.

?

Kuzmenko

Stick to your parody

Guess you aren’t getting Toffoli cheaper.

Wtf is he doing

 

[Ugene Magic]

What did James neal cost u guys? What did Phil Kessel?

James Neal wasn't a 40 goal scorer when Shero traded for him, and Toronto was forcing Kessel out and JR was bidding against himself.

 

[Gurglesons]

What did James neal cost u guys? What did Phil Kessel?

James Neal returned a top 4 defenseman coming off 37 point and 31 point seasons. More than Hoglander has put up in a season at this point.

Phil Kessel returned Kasperi Kapenen (who went on to put up a 40 point season), Harrington, a 1st, and a 3rd. Kessel also basically forced Toronto's hand.

Tippett ok.. not when he was traded imo. How hes turned out isnt relevant though

Armstrong ok blast from the past nice. Horvat i think is different because of the timing but still fair

I think the issue with finding a comparable for Guentzel is players like him are not moved at the deadline.

I could see the Penguins getting a really shitty return for him. I could see them getting a boatload.

The market seems frozen based on his status though. I imagine the Penguins will get a haul. I can't think of a player besides Hossa that was moved since the cap era that had the type of resume Jake does and is still in the age where he has 3-5 great years left.

 

[Darren McCord]

James Neal returned a top 4 defenseman coming off 37 point and 31 point seasons. More than Hoglander has put up in a season at this point.

Phil Kessel returned Kasperi Kapenen (who went on to put up a 40 point season), Harrington, a 1st, and a 3rd. Kessel also basically forced Toronto's hand.



I think the issue with finding a comparable for Guentzel is players like him are not moved at the deadline.

I could see the Penguins getting a really shitty return for him. I could see them getting a boatload.

The market seems frozen based on his status though. I imagine the Penguins will get a haul. I can't think of a player besides Hossa that was moved since the cap era that had the type of resume Jake does and is still in the age where he has 3-5 great years left.

Hossa really is the best comparable.

1rst + top prospect + two young roster players

 

[andora]

James Neal returned a top 4 defenseman coming off 37 point and 31 point seasons. More than Hoglander has put up in a season at this point.

Phil Kessel returned Kasperi Kapenen (who went on to put up a 40 point season), Harrington, a 1st, and a 3rd. Kessel also basically forced Toronto's hand.



I think the issue with finding comparable for Guentzel is players like him are not moved at the deadline.

I could see the Penguins getting a really shitty return for him. I could see them getting a boatload.

The market seems frozen based on his status though. I imagine the Penguins will get a haul. I can't think of a player besides Hossa that was moved since the cap era that had the type of resume Jake does and is still in the age where he has 3-5 great years left.

Off of memory last year oreilly and ekholm were the two best players moved.. imo within guentzels tier.. neither got a good young nhl player in the packages

I mean if pittsburgh is focusing on players not futures they could shoot themselves in a foot maybe - maybe not.. i am not so sure they are going to get what they want

 

[Gurglesons]

Off of memory last year oreilly and ekholm were the two best players moved.. imo within guentzels tier.. neither got a good young nhl player in the packages

I mean if pittsburgh is focusing on players not futures they could shoot themselves in a foot maybe - maybe not.. i am not so sure they are going to get what they want

ROR had 19 points in 40 games and was 31

Ekholm is a middle pairing defenseman.

Jake Guentzel is a top 10 LW over the last two years with extreme playoff success.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

I have a feeling he will walk as a UFA

I have a feeling he’s getting traded but still coming back home this summer lol

 

[andora]

Hossa really is the best comparable.

1rst + top prospect + two young roster players

Dont forget dupuis going back

Esposito was a talented wildcard (like shane wright now) - christiansen but boom bust

From memory i dont recall esposito as a top prospect

ROR had 19 points in 40 games and was 31

Ekholm is a middle pairing defenseman.

Jake Guentzel is a top 10 LW over the last two years with extreme playoff success.

Personally i try not make too many tiers when i look at players or it can get confusing. These three are all very good players that are impact top half of roster players