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[SeawaterOnIce]

That’s my twitter account! I posted the same thing one page earlier.

I need you to post on Blue Sky.

 

[Vector]

I need you to post on Blue Sky.

I do.

 

[arttk]

I do.

now do Threads

 

[rypper]

and MySpace!

Icq!

 

[Jerry the great]

i'm not saying it would be a good trade but a mid/late first, raty and kudryavtsev isn't going to get it done. columbus are going to want a comparable prospect in return

his value as a prospect has declined and there are massive red flags with this player. Can't crack CBJ's (desperate for RHD) roster in his D+3 season and now the rumours of him being available are starting to swirl. He should be in the AHL and the fact he isn't is another red flag.

I would absolutely not put Willander on the table for Jiricek.

 

[Vector]

now do Threads

Absolutely not.

 

[dbaz]

Screw it, let's just abuse ltir like the knights and overpay for josi

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Well I think for his role and pay his impact has been perfectly fine. If he was more consistent or pleasing to watch, the Canucks don't get him on the same contract. Most 3rd liners have some shortcomings and "oof" moments.

Could just be my first impression of him in blue and green was a suicide pass to Boeser. It’s not his production I don’t like, I know we didn’t sign him for that reason.

 

[arttk]

Absolutely not.

well at least get out of twitter and stop supporting that #@$%

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

People need to stop freaking out lol

Bold this and underline it. We're 2nd in the division with essentially 2 star players missing from the entire season (40, 35) and an integral piece (81).

I see some holes on this roster, but honestly, both Edmonton and Florida had holes as well. The perfect team just doesn't exist at the moment. The injuries to the Americans I find to be the most concerning right now.

To add to your last post, I read something somewhere that said there is no ethical consumption in capitalist society. I'm more or less inclined to agree.

 

[kanucks25]

I see some holes on this roster, but honestly, both Edmonton and Florida had holes as well. The perfect team just doesn't exist at the moment.

Exactly.

If we think we suck, imagine how the other 22 teams below us must feel.

Nobody thought we were a top-5 contender type team, and some regression was expected by most as well. So we kind of are where we should be.

The good thing is that there are paths to improvement both internally and externally.

And this is coming from someone who thinks we've been poorer than the average fan on a game-by-game basis.

 

[im gangster]

I did something exceptionally silly and looked at when the Canucks announce trades. Patrik Allvin has made 24 trades as GM of the Canucks. 15 of them were not at the deadline. Of these trades Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday are the most common 3 trades each. Friday has 2 and Mondau has 1. No trades on a Saturday. 9 trades after 3pm and 6 before. 7 of the last 8 trades were announced after 3pm.

The next trade is mostly likely to come on Sunday after 3pm.

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Sprong trade - Nov. 8th - Friday, 4:24pm
Poolman trade - Oct. 6th - Sunday, 10:45am
Podkolzin trade - Aug. 18th - Sunday, 3:47pm
Mikheyev trade - Jun. 26th - Wednesday, 7:52pm
Lindholm trade - Jan. 31st - Wednesday, 5:55pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.2) Dec. 15th - Friday, 3:09pm
Zadorov trade - Nov. 30th - Thursday, 3:01pm
Beauvillier trade - Nov. 28th - Tuesday, 5:50pm
Friedman trade - Oct. 17th - Tuesday, 10:35am
Lafferty trade - Oct. 8th - Sunday, 11:00am
Pearson trade - Sep. 19th - Tuesday, 2:46pm
Horvat trade - Jan. 30th - Monday, 2:43pm
Bear trade - Oct. 28th - Thursday, 12:17pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.1) Oct. 27th - Wednesday, 6:25pm
Dickinson trade - Oct. 7th - Thursday, 7:47pm

2023 Deadline:
Kalynuk trade
Lazar trade
Hronek trade (2 days prior)
Schenn trade (3 days prior)
Stillman trade (4 days prior)
Kravtsov trade (6 days prior)

2022 Deadline:
Motte trade
Dermott trade
Hamonic trade

You are too much in a way I love.

 

[F A N]

They don’t have full NTC, shouldn’t be easy to move still.

GMs are like freaking dinosaurs, if Riley Stillman can be moved with an asset coming back, Forbort is 100% moveable unless he suffers some crazy injury.

The Stillman trade is a WTF trade. Buffalo actually targeted Stillman. I recall Sabres fans saying we were wrong about Stillman after watching him play a few games. Don’t know what happened to him but he hasn’t seen NHL action since.

On the other hand, maybe Bloom isn’t an asset. Sabres fans were high on him but in reality he was the second last pick in the 3rd round signed to an ELC whose development had stalled. I liked a Bloom at the time of the trade as well but in hindsight he’s probably a guy Allvin chooses not to sign if he had a choice. Then again, it seems that management was wrong about where Bloom’s game was at given his development path.

 

[JT Milker]

his value as a prospect has declined and there are massive red flags with this player. Can't crack CBJ's (desperate for RHD) roster in his D+3 season and now the rumours of him being available are starting to swirl. He should be in the AHL and the fact he isn't is another red flag.

I would absolutely not put Willander on the table for Jiricek.

Yes the biggest problem with Jiricek is that he stinks (at least right now) and we need players that don’t stink right now. He’s only discussed because of draft pedigree.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

You are too much in a way I love.

Yup.

If you don't fw Vector I don't fw you.

 

[Diamonddog01]

I think the right side is set after this season, I could maybe see the team to try to pick up a top 4 RD deadline rental that wouldn't be in the team's long term plans. Next year we are probably looking at:

Hughes - Hronek
LD - Myers / Willander
Soucy - Myers / Willander

IMO the priority remains a top 4 LHD that is either under contract or that we can re-sign at a reasonable rate who will either be able to form a pairing with Hronek or Willander at some point. What somewhat complicates things is Myers complete inability to play with Hughes as that would open up options for next year. When Willander was drafted many thought he could be the perfect partner for Hughes but that's a few years away.

 

[Nick Lang]

Heinen has been fine
Sherwood a home run signing
Lankinen a homerun
DeBrusk so far looks pretty meh considering his contract
Desharnais looks rough so far
Forbort tbd
Sprong basically a wash, nothing lost or gained.

People sleeping on Debrusk. He's a gritty, streaky, scorer and playing that way.

 

[Josepho]

I think DeBrusk has basically performed exactly in line with his contract.

If we're giving grades to the off-season acquisitions, I'd go:

Sherwood, Lankinen: A+
Brannstrom: A
Heinen: B
DeBrusk, Sprong: C
Desharnais: C-
Forbort: D

Desharnais/Forbort were still low-risk and should be easy to move off of.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

the thing that keeps me warm at night is I know Allvin will make a trade for a defenseman we need, it’s not if it’s when and we have usually been the team that sets the market. Too many teams are deciding where they are at so the trades will come later, hopefully Rasmus Anderson makes it public he wants out like Big Z said
I think Myers can hold down the 4th spot we really need a #3
Deharnais and Brannstrom seem fine as a 3rd pair
I have zero read on Forbort

 

[Hodgy]

I think DeBrusk has basically performed exactly in line with his contract.

If we're giving grades to the off-season acquisitions, I'd go:

Sherwood, Lankinen: A+
Brannstrom: A
Heinen: B
DeBrusk, Sprong: C
Desharnais: C-
Forbort: D

Desharnais/Forbort were still low-risk and should be easy to move off of.

I’d put Desharnais lower than Forbort.

Play has been similarly poor, but Forbort has obviously been going through a tough period of his life so I’m willing to reserve judgement.

 

[arttk]

The Stillman trade is a WTF trade. Buffalo actually targeted Stillman. I recall Sabres fans saying we were wrong about Stillman after watching him play a few games. Don’t know what happened to him but he hasn’t seen NHL action since.

On the other hand, maybe Bloom isn’t an asset. Sabres fans were high on him but in reality he was the second last pick in the 3rd round signed to an ELC whose development had stalled. I liked a Bloom at the time of the trade as well but in hindsight he’s probably a guy Allvin chooses not to sign if he had a choice. Then again, it seems that management was wrong about where Bloom’s game was at given his development path.

I think getting rid of Stillman and getting anything back is already a win. But yeah, the point is, GMs see things differently than we do, it’s been proven over and over.

 

[Ernie]

I know the team is still on pace for 100 points, but there has been a lot of luck there, and they've been playing against weak competition. They are in serious jeopardy of missing the playoffs if they continue the way they have.

The team desperately needs to try something different on defence. Lots of focus has been on Myers, but Soucy has been even worse. It's time for Tocchet to get over his obsession with big defencemen and move Brannstrom up to the 2nd pairing. I get that it's the system Tocchet likes, but unlike last season the team does not have the personnel right now to play that way.

It would also be worth considering bringing up Friedman and demoting Juulsen. Friedman has played some good minutes for the team in the past. The "Desharnais project" is looking like an abject failure and the Canucks need to cut bait before it sinks the season.

 

[Hodgy]

And on Desharnais: he’s been horrible. And I know he can and may improve, and hopefully will, but this isn’t a team at the stage where we should be targeting projects that may or may not be NHL calibre, and paying them $2 million or year or whatever we are paying.

Still lots of time but as of now looks like a major pro scouting miss.

 

[Ernie]

And on Desharnais: he’s been horrible. And I know he can and may improve, and hopefully will, but this isn’t a team at the stage where we should be targeting projects that may or may not be NHL calibre, and paying them $2 million or year or whatever we are paying.

Still lots of time but as of now looks like a major pro scouting miss.

At this point they can't afford to keep playing him. They need to figure out how to stop the leaks, and taking the leakiest player out of the lineup is the easiest fix. It's getting harder and harder to see how this player belongs in the NHL. Continuing to play him because of his salary is just sunk cost fallacy.

 

[Hodgy]

At this point they can't afford to keep playing him. They need to figure out how to stop the leaks, and taking the leakiest player out of the lineup is the easiest fix. It's getting harder and harder to see how this player belongs in the NHL. Continuing to play him because of his salary is just sunk cost fallacy.

Ya, if we don’t have depth thats better than what Desharnais is currently providing, then that’s almost a bigger indictment than the actual Desharnais signing.