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[Just A Bit Outside]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

 

[VanJack]

Columbus fans are arguing he doesn't skate well or use his size which leads to keep getting caught. Even taken at face value, I have to wonder if a big part of any struggles the kid has right now is with how horrendous the Jackets have treated his development.

I don't know if we have the assets to pry him away but damn would I like to try. Both him and Byram are actual projects I'd like to see Tocchet work with over Desharnais.

The Canucks aren't getting Jiricek, unless he threatens to go back to Europe. And even then, I'm not sure an 'inexperienced d-man' is what the Canucks need right now.

A better prospect from Columbus would be Provorov, who is much closer to the age category the Canucks are looking for. And he's an impending UFA, like Zadorov was last year.

But obviously he won't come cheap.....and I doubt the Jackets will be dealing him until they're almost completely out of the playoff picture. And that probably doesn't happen until Jan-Feb, 2025.

 

[Bobby9]

Would any of you entertain:

Byfield
Clarke
Gavrikov

For

EP40
Hog

 

[Phrasing]

Would any of you entertain:

Byfield
Clarke
Gavrikov

For

EP40
Hog

No.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

With the way EP has been playing we’re probably looking at Cozens/Byram.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I think people are overly romanticizing Byram.

He's concussion prone, but with enough upside that he would be costly to get. He's not worth it to a team like us (assuming a steep acquisition cost) because a lot of his theoretical utility will come on the powerplay.

Part of why Buffalo might consider dealing him is because they already have Power and Dahlin on the left side.

Note: If we had drafted Byram or could get him at a moderate cost that would be one thing. But paying a full freight (or god forbit dealing EP) for him wouldn't work out and would probably look like Karlsson and Burns did in San Jose.

 

[Vector]

Seravalli interview.

Canucks:
-Allvin trading for a puck moving defenceman is inevitable
-lots of reasons for optimism
-in the meantime, rely on the coaching staff
-now is the time to work with players to get better
-trying to get there B-game on a better level than it is right now

Allvin's Trade Activity:
-a lot of the calls Allvin has made are more related to fact finding and understanding the market
-want to see what their team looks like when healthy
-seeds have been planted
-they understand who is and isn't available
-realize it's an evolving market
-players that aren't available now will become available later

Liljegren Trade:
-Sharks were the team that had the biggest need
-a lot of other teams were curious about acquiring him but weren't willing to commit to his contract
-teams thought there maybe there are players they could get off waivers that could get similar results at a lesser price

Panthers:
-look for players that fit a very specific profile
-uses Uvis Balinskis as an example; says probably 23 teams never heard of him before they signed him
-multiple waiver claims have worked out really well

Forbort, Desharnais, and Defensive Depth Signings:
-would love to know the thought process behind acquiring both of them
-Canucks knew about Desharnais' limitations
-Forbort has been a healthy scratch for big chunks of his NHL time
-compares the Forbort signing to a short-term version of the Oilers' signing Josh Brown
-almost like teams got overexcited during free agency for signing depth defencemen
-wonders if some of these teams would make the same moves again today
-didn't keep Ian Cole because he slowed time at the end of the season and playoffs
-questions whether it was better to sign Cole or Forbort & Desharnais

Defensive Target:
-very much want someone that can carry their own defensive pair according to Shah

Juulsen:
-Seravalli thought he'd be a big bright spot for the team this year and asks Shah and Riccio if that's not been the case
-Shah explains the limitations of Juulsen and how he hasn't taken another step
-Seravalli wonders if that's another bet the Canucks made

Soucy & Myers:
-those two are the elephant in the room
-if they were performing to what they did for parts of last season, the Canucks would probably only be looking for a 3rd pair guy

Predators:
-too early for them to be already concerned with their off-season moves
-numbers tend to point to them being unlucky
-last year he had Trotz on his podcast and they both talked about it was probably going to be 3 years until the Predators are truly competitve
-seems disjointed that they gave out 100m in contracts this summer
-clear roster construction flaw; no centres
-thinks they can be more than a Wild Card team this season
-is concerned about their lack of centres
-if this doesn't work this season, it's going to be very painful 3 seasons from now

4-Nations Rosters:
-Boeser is squarely on the bubble for Team USA
-if Boeser isn't scoring, how else can he contribute?
-need to be more than a good powerplay guy; need to have another attribute

 

[Bobby9]

No.

Nonsense. That trade makes the back end exponentially younger, bigger and better.

Hughes-Hronek
Gavrikov-Clarke
Soucy-Myers

And you get a 22 year old C with a very high ceiling

 

[Josepho]

I have no idea how anyone could leave last season thinking Juulsen was anything other than an 8D.

 

[Vector]

I have no idea how anyone could leave last season thinking Juulsen was anything other than an 8D.

I’m guessing he saw part of that one stretch where Juulsen looked okay as a bottom-pairing guy, bought into what the Canucks were selling, and just figured that was gospel.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Nonsense. That trade makes the back end exponentially younger, bigger and better.

Hughes-Hronek
Gavrikov-Clarke
Soucy-Myers

And you get a 22 year old C with a very high ceiling

I would absolutely do this. LA probably says no deal as Clarke is proving to be a legitimate top pairing defenseman.

 

[HairyKneel]

I thought Jiricek was the 2nd best player in the 2023 WJC. He was a monster out there. They are f***ing with the kids head. He moved just fine for a big man in that tourney, so I have a hard time believing he's turned into a lousy skater.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

I would do something like EP+ for Power and Tuch. Not that I am advocating trading him or think it’s a good idea.

 

[dellzor]

Byram would be an amazing add.

I actually was curious but he hasn't looked good from what the advanced stats say

Believe this is from last year


and this is from this year

 

[LemonSauceD]

Clarke is going to be a top 5 dman in this league imo. Hes untouchable and certainly aren’t going to want a currently underperforming $11.6M player.

I actually was curious but he hasn't looked good from what the advanced stats say

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Believe this is from last year


and this is from this year

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Judging from these graphs that looks terrible. When I think of Byram, I think of his 2022 self.

 

[VanJack]

Av's made a shrewd deal swapping Byram for Casey Mittelstadt. I don't think Byram has been the same since all the concussions, and unless he's putting up points, he's a bit of a liability defensively.

The problem the Canucks have right now, is that Soucy and Myers simply aren't a credible second-pairing. But Tocchet is forced to play them as if they were.

Canuck fans shouldn't sleep on Wilander. I think if he gets signed and comes into the lineup in March to burn off his first ELC year, they might not ever get him out. I think a pairing of Soucy and Wilander would have real potential--then they can drop Myers down the lineup where he belongs.

 

[DFAC]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

Jim Benning is that you?

 

[David71]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

i'd make that deal without hesitation. byram on your 2nd pairing and you got 2 elite puckmovers at your disposable. remember avs run 22, he was a big part of that. ate like 19-20mins a game. vancouver doesnt need to overplay hughes that much. just special teams and 5v5. opposing teams will have to send their best against either hughes or byram.

 

[HairyKneel]

OEL’s resurgence?

Jesus Christ, Sekeres is the size of John Candy. Look after yourself man.

 

[DFAC]

i'd make that deal without hesitation. byram on your 2nd pairing and you got 2 elite puckmovers at your disposable. remember avs run 22, he was a big part of that. ate like 19-20mins a game. vancouver doesnt need to overplay hughes that much. just special teams and 5v5. opposing teams will have to send their best against either hughes or byram.

Brutal take. Byram is damaged goods with his concussion history

Thompson is a nice piece but EP is still a 100+ point elite center.

I'm EP40's biggest criticizer but some of these proposals are just straight up TRASH man

 

[bossram]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

No. Byram has severely underwhelmed with Buffalo. And he's one concussion away from basically being done.

Nonsense. That trade makes the back end exponentially younger, bigger and better.

Hughes-Hronek
Gavrikov-Clarke
Soucy-Myers

And you get a 22 year old C with a very high ceiling

I think your proposal is in the ballpark (I'm mega high on Clarke). Problem is a lot of Clark's value is PP-related and he won't supplant Quinn.

I would do something like EP+ for Power and Tuch. Not that I am advocating trading him or think it’s a good idea.

No way.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

No. Byram has severely underwhelmed with Buffalo. And he's one concussion away from basically being done.

I think your proposal is in the ballpark (I'm mega high on Clarke). Problem is a lot of Clark's value is PP-related and he won't supplant Quinn.

No way.

Everyone underwhelms in Buffalo so I take Byram with a grain of salt on his play. Concussions obviously an issue.

I just think Thompson is more of what Tocchet would prefer. Big bodied, skilled player who's RH and can play C or W.

If there is substantial concerns with EP (and there should be for a variety of reasons), you have to wonder what happens with him before he is considered good, but not great, on a contract not befitting of the player he currently is.

 

[bossram]

Everyone underwhelms in Buffalo so I take Byram with a grain of salt on his play. Concussions obviously an issue.

I just think Thompson is more of what Tocchet would prefer. Big bodied, skilled player who's RH and can play C or W.

If there is substantial concerns with EP (and there should be for a variety of reasons), you have to wonder what happens with him before he is considered good, but not great, on a contract not befitting of the player he currently is.

Not really. I had Casey Mittelstadt on my radar (receipts are on HFboards!) long before he was traded to COL. I thought he was really underrated. He's looking good. Byram's not even impressive relative to his team/teammates.

If Tocc is upset with Petey's play, yeesh, wait until he has to deal with Tage. He will hate his (lack of) two-way game, frequent turnovers at the blueline, unnecessary dangles, weak forechecking...

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Not really. I had Casey Mittelstadt on my radar (receipts are on HFboards!) long before he was traded to COL. I thought he was really underrated. He's looking good. Byram's not even impressive relative to his team/teammates.

If Tocc is upset with Petey's play, yeesh, wait until he has to deal with Tage. He will hate his (lack of) two-way game, frequent turnovers at the blueline, unnecessary dangles, weak forechecking...

I had MItts on my radar as well.

But my point still stands regarding Buffalo.

Much like the Nucks before the regime change, there's something fundamentally wrong there.

I'm of full belief that there are numerous players who would benefit from getting out of there.

And while alot have faults, as most players do, the reliance on the Nucks staff and structure could help curtail some of it.

Everything is moot because it all depends on EP. If he plays the way he can, he goes nowhere. But the real questions is, and everyone has been asking for years, is what is actually wrong with him and can it be corrected?