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[Just A Bit Outside]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

 

[VanJack]

Columbus fans are arguing he doesn't skate well or use his size which leads to keep getting caught. Even taken at face value, I have to wonder if a big part of any struggles the kid has right now is with how horrendous the Jackets have treated his development.

I don't know if we have the assets to pry him away but damn would I like to try. Both him and Byram are actual projects I'd like to see Tocchet work with over Desharnais.

The Canucks aren't getting Jiricek, unless he threatens to go back to Europe. And even then, I'm not sure an 'inexperienced d-man' is what the Canucks need right now.

A better prospect from Columbus would be Provorov, who is much closer to the age category the Canucks are looking for. And he's an impending UFA, like Zadorov was last year.

But obviously he won't come cheap.....and I doubt the Jackets will be dealing him until they're almost completely out of the playoff picture. And that probably doesn't happen until Jan-Feb, 2025.

 

[Bobby9]

Would any of you entertain:

Byfield
Clarke
Gavrikov

For

EP40
Hog

 

[Phrasing]

Would any of you entertain:

Byfield
Clarke
Gavrikov

For

EP40
Hog

No.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Does mgmt go nuclear if EP doesn't turn it around?

EP for Thompson + Byram to shake up both teams.

With the way EP has been playing we’re probably looking at Cozens/Byram.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I think people are overly romanticizing Byram.

He's concussion prone, but with enough upside that he would be costly to get. He's not worth it to a team like us (assuming a steep acquisition cost) because a lot of his theoretical utility will come on the powerplay.

Part of why Buffalo might consider dealing him is because they already have Power and Dahlin on the left side.

Note: If we had drafted Byram or could get him at a moderate cost that would be one thing. But paying a full freight (or god forbit dealing EP) for him wouldn't work out and would probably look like Karlsson and Burns did in San Jose.

 

[Vector]

Seravalli interview.

Canucks:
-Allvin trading for a puck moving defenceman is inevitable
-lots of reasons for optimism
-in the meantime, rely on the coaching staff
-now is the time to work with players to get better
-trying to get there B-game on a better level than it is right now

Allvin's Trade Activity:
-a lot of the calls Allvin has made are more related to fact finding and understanding the market
-want to see what their team looks like when healthy
-seeds have been planted
-they understand who is and isn't available
-realize it's an evolving market
-players that aren't available now will become available later

Liljegren Trade:
-Sharks were the team that had the biggest need
-a lot of other teams were curious about acquiring him but weren't willing to commit to his contract
-teams thought there maybe there are players they could get off waivers that could get similar results at a lesser price

Panthers:
-look for players that fit a very specific profile
-uses Uvis Balinskis as an example; says probably 23 teams never heard of him before they signed him
-multiple waiver claims have worked out really well

Forbort, Desharnais, and Defensive Depth Signings:
-would love to know the thought process behind acquiring both of them
-Canucks knew about Desharnais' limitations
-Forbort has been a healthy scratch for big chunks of his NHL time
-compares the Forbort signing to a short-term version of the Oilers' signing Josh Brown
-almost like teams got overexcited during free agency for signing depth defencemen
-wonders if some of these teams would make the same moves again today
-didn't keep Ian Cole because he slowed time at the end of the season and playoffs
-questions whether it was better to sign Cole or Forbort & Desharnais

Defensive Target:
-very much want someone that can carry their own defensive pair according to Shah

Juulsen:
-Seravalli thought he'd be a big bright spot for the team this year and asks Shah and Riccio if that's not been the case
-Shah explains the limitations of Juulsen and how he hasn't taken another step
-Seravalli wonders if that's another bet the Canucks made

Soucy & Myers:
-those two are the elephant in the room
-if they were performing to what they did for parts of last season, the Canucks would probably only be looking for a 3rd pair guy

Predators:
-too early for them to be already concerned with their off-season moves
-numbers tend to point to them being unlucky
-last year he had Trotz on his podcast and they both talked about it was probably going to be 3 years until the Predators are truly competitve
-seems disjointed that they gave out 100m in contracts this summer
-clear roster construction flaw; no centres
-thinks they can be more than a Wild Card team this season
-is concerned about their lack of centres
-if this doesn't work this season, it's going to be very painful 3 seasons from now

4-Nations Rosters:
-Boeser is squarely on the bubble for Team USA
-if Boeser isn't scoring, how else can he contribute?
-need to be more than a good powerplay guy; need to have another attribute

 

[Bobby9]

No.

Nonsense. That trade makes the back end exponentially younger, bigger and better.

Hughes-Hronek
Gavrikov-Clarke
Soucy-Myers

And you get a 22 year old C with a very high ceiling

 

[Josepho]

I have no idea how anyone could leave last season thinking Juulsen was anything other than an 8D.

 

[Vector]

I have no idea how anyone could leave last season thinking Juulsen was anything other than an 8D.

I’m guessing he saw part of that one stretch where Juulsen looked okay as a bottom-pairing guy, bought into what the Canucks were selling, and just figured that was gospel.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Nonsense. That trade makes the back end exponentially younger, bigger and better.

Hughes-Hronek
Gavrikov-Clarke
Soucy-Myers

And you get a 22 year old C with a very high ceiling

I would absolutely do this. LA probably says no deal as Clarke is proving to be a legitimate top pairing defenseman.

 

[HairyKneel]

I thought Jiricek was the 2nd best player in the 2023 WJC. He was a monster out there. They are f***ing with the kids head. He moved just fine for a big man in that tourney, so I have a hard time believing he's turned into a lousy skater.