Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins Discussion

[19 for president]

Probably depends on what you see their potential as. I think max Ed is probably more valuable than max Cossa. I think it is easier to find goaltending than elite defensemen if you need to turn outside of your organization.

This for me. I don't think Cossa has Hasek or Roy like potential, which would be the only way I could take him over a guy like Ed. I don't think Ed maxes his potential but his potential is Hedman level or potentially higher if he maxes out. You don't get guys 6'6 that can also skate like he does very often. That I think makes more of an impact than probably something more in line with a Rinne. Goalies in general have to much of a mental aspect to their games, so even the best have funky off seasons or playoffs.

It's also easier to find functional goaltending (not elite) than it is to find functional dman that can eat 25+ mn a game. Lots of teams win without elite goaltending. Few win without a true elite #1.

 

[norrisnick]

You can only pick ONE must have reach their max potential in this group. Who is it?

Doesn't it have to be Cossa?

Ed. Easy.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

This for me. I don't think Cossa has Hasek or Roy like potential, which would be the only way I could take him over a guy like Ed. I don't think Ed maxes his potential but his potential is Hedman level or potentially higher if he maxes out. You don't get guys 6'6 that can also skate like he does very often. That I think makes more of an impact than probably something more in line with a Rinne. Goalies in general have to much of a mental aspect to their games, so even the best have funky off seasons or playoffs.

It's also easier to find functional goaltending (not elite) than it is to find functional dman that can eat 25+ mn a game. Lots of teams win without elite goaltending. Few win without a true elite #1.

What exactly makes SEs ceiling Hedman but Cossa's not Roy?

Can we honestly say we have or have not seen any evidence to support that claim?
I think SE is good but...the expectations should be tempered a bit

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

What exactly makes SEs ceiling Hedman but Cossa's not Roy?

Can we honestly say we have or have not seen any evidence to support that claim?
I think SE is good but...the expectations should be tempered a bit

One is more realgud than the other.

 

[norrisnick]

A world class defenseman is more impactful than a world class goalie. I think a lot of people get confused because a bad goalie is far more impactful than a bad defenseman. Steady and good enough is fine in a goalie. If you want to control the game, you take the defenseman.

 

[Christien]

It's a travesty that Berggren is still in the AHL. He is by far the best player I have seen at this level all season long. Dominant. He's earned NHL time whether that be with Detroit or someone else.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

A world class defenseman is more impactful than a world class goalie. I think a lot of people get confused because a bad goalie is far more impactful than a bad defenseman. Steady and good enough is fine in a goalie. If you want to control the game, you take the defenseman.

That's a tough one

I'd take Patick Roy over Victor Hedman(the above mentioned names) 100 times out of 100 no question

 

[schuelma24]

Griffins win in a 10 round shootout.

 

[lhsgolf19]

7 straight Wins

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Kasper scored again.

 

[raymond23]

Kasper scored again.

It was so nasty

https://x.com/hockeytownwpod/status/1756137098388611140?s=46

I was at the game tonight

Kasper is the new #1 prospect on my board. What a player

 

[TheOctopusKid]

#teamkasper

 

[19 for president]

What exactly makes SEs ceiling Hedman but Cossa's not Roy?

Can we honestly say we have or have not seen any evidence to support that claim?
I think SE is good but...the expectations should be tempered a bit

Personal opinion. I think Ed has that kind of ceiling whereas I think Cossa probably tops out as a Rinne. If I thought Cossa had Hasek/Roy potential I'd probably take him instead. With that said I'm hoping for Ed to be a consistent top 2 and Cossa to be a top 15 starter in the league. I think Ed has the highest ceiling of any prospect we have, but as I've noted in other threads I actually expect a Jaybo kinda of player.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Griffins absolutely rolling. Some people here should probably eat some crow.

 

[ricky0034]

What exactly makes SEs ceiling Hedman but Cossa's not Roy?

Can we honestly say we have or have not seen any evidence to support that claim?
I think SE is good but...the expectations should be tempered a bit

I mean for one thing Hedman and Roy aren't exactly equivalent players themselves

Hedman is great and all but Roy is a top 3 all time guy at his position, Hedman isn't close to that

 

[NickH8]

Griffins win in a 10 round shootout! I was there, that was the longest shootout I've ever been at. Berggren and Lombardi's shootout goals were beautys. Berggren - Kasper - Mazur is one of the most fun lines I've seen in the AHL. They'll out finesse you just as much as they'll out work you. Kasper had a great game in particular and a nice between the legs goal in front of the net.
After a 3 game in person sample size, I tend to agree with most of the guys in GR that Johansson is the best DMan on the team. He ALWAYS makes the right play and had a few solid rushes. Almost scored in OT but it rang off the cross bar. He's going to be a good #4 in the NHL.
Edvinsson has to improve his reads with the puck, but he's still uber talented and I think could do better than Holl or Petry. Fortunately, he's at a sweet spot in his development where both NHL and AHL games will benefit him. He needs to learn to make his reads faster, which the NHL helps with, but some of the reads are just wrong, so the AHL would help with that. Tuomisto and Wallinder are also solid and have potential, they're just not as far along as Ed or Johansson.

 

[HoweFan]

Griffins win in a 10 round shootout! I was there, that was the longest shootout I've ever been at. Berggren and Lombardi's shootout goals were beautys. Berggren - Kasper - Mazur is one of the most fun lines I've seen in the AHL. They'll out finesse you just as much as they'll out work you. Kasper had a great game in particular and a nice between the legs goal in front of the net.
After a 3 game in person sample size, I tend to agree with most of the guys in GR that Johansson is the best DMan on the team. He ALWAYS makes the right play and had a few solid rushes. Almost scored in OT but it rang off the cross bar. He's going to be a good #4 in the NHL.
Edvinsson has to improve his reads with the puck, but he's still uber talented and I think could do better than Holl or Petry. Fortunately, he's at a sweet spot in his development where both NHL and AHL games will benefit him. He needs to learn to make his reads faster, which the NHL helps with, but some of the reads are just wrong, so the AHL would help with that. Tuomisto and Wallinder are also solid and have potential, they're just not as far along as Ed or Johansson.

It’s nice to hear so much praise of Ali lately. Hardly heard anything about him his first couple of years. It’s renewed my faith that he will be a part of the Wings. Has put on any weight? Good luck to you Albert

 

[RRhoads]

It’s nice to hear so much praise of Ali lately. Hardly heard anything about him his first couple of years. It’s renewed my faith that he will be a part of the Wings. Has put on any weight? Good luck to you Albert

I hope he gets his shot soon. He should have come up last season, but got injured.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

It was so nasty

https://x.com/hockeytownwpod/status/1756137098388611140?s=46

I was at the game tonight

Kasper is the new #1 prospect on my board. What a player

That's a nice goal, but he's no Aatu Raty!

 

[lhsgolf19]

Bummer, 4-3 SO Loss... 7 game winning streak snapped

29 Saves for Cossa
2 Assists for Simon

 

[Ricelund]

That's a nice goal, but he's no Aatu Raty!

Don't you mean Horvat?

 

[heyfolks]

A world class defenseman is more impactful than a world class goalie. I think a lot of people get confused because a bad goalie is far more impactful than a bad defenseman. Steady and good enough is fine in a goalie. If you want to control the game, you take the defenseman.

Some of this will get lost in definition of word class vs generational. I take Roy, Hasek, Brodeur over Hedman all day every day. Do I take Fluery or Price over Hedman is a different question.

Vasilevskiy over Hedman? yep.

As for the real bad vs real good. A real bad Goalie does not have 5 other D men nor a host of forwards to help minimize the impact. You have to have a really great team to win with a mediocre goalie. You know like the Oilers with Fuhr. hehehehe

 

[Hughes Hefner]

Does anyone know why Nolan Stevens has been released for contract termination? Is there a corresponding move coming for a player to join GR Or was he released for some other issues ie play or something else

 

[DTR]

Does anyone know why Nolan Stevens has been released for contract termination? Is there a corresponding move coming for a player to join GR Or was he released for some other issues ie play or something else

 

[norrisnick]

Some of this will get lost in definition of word class vs generational. I take Roy, Hasek, Brodeur over Hedman all day every day. Do I take Fluery or Price over Hedman is a different question.

Vasilevskiy over Hedman? yep.

As for the real bad vs real good. A real bad Goalie does not have 5 other D men nor a host of forwards to help minimize the impact. You have to have a really great team to win with a mediocre goalie. You know like the Oilers with Fuhr. hehehehe

I don't. Gimme Hedman and an Osgood quality guy all day every day. Over a Roy/Brodeur and what... is comparable here... borderline HOFer... um... Schneider? Seabrook?

If you control the ice, you don't need a superstar goalie. See Red Wings, Detroit.