Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins Discussion

[lilidk]

Should Edvinsson be with Red Wings ? And what would it take to bring him. , trade one of Red Wings veterans d for solid AHL d + pick?

 

[raymond23]

1+0 thru 7 games is simply not good enough for a top 10 pick. I am absolutely worried

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

1+0 thru 7 games is simply not good enough for a top 10 pick. I am absolutely worried

What has he actually looked like? You are in GR. I presume you are watching. If you are worried about production, what specifically is holding him back?

 

[Gniwder]

Aston-Reese is a more than capable linemate for the AHL. Look what he has done in the AHL previously. Hanas is not a bad player to play with either.

I believe Kasper has been on the 3rd line all year so far, not sure why you are picking this game to single out?

The kid hasn't really done much with the opportunity he has been given so far, so not sure why we think he deserves a bigger one? Sounds like you want him to be gifted a spot he hasn't earned with his play. Not sure that is the right approach.

I'm not picking on this single game, I'm talking in general. Kasper has 1 goal in 7 games, this isn't going to help him. ZAR has been in the NHL the last few years, he's probably not taking this demotion well. We'll see in a few more games, obviously I'm not a fan of the signing. Would have preferred to bring Chiasson back after he couldn't get a contract elsewhere. Wings offered him a 2 way, and he wanted a 1 way. Nobody signed him.

I haven't watched GR because the Wings are actually watchable this season. I assume Hanas got dropped down because Mazur and Burger came back. That should certainly help, but ideally you want your top pick playing with experienced guys that can score, like Hirose or Burger.

 

[Frk It]

I'm not picking on this single game, I'm talking in general. Kasper has 1 goal in 7 games, this isn't going to help him. ZAR has been in the NHL the last few years, he's probably not taking this demotion well. We'll see in a few more games, obviously I'm not a fan of the signing. Would have preferred to bring Chiasson back after he couldn't get a contract elsewhere. Wings offered him a 2 way, and he wanted a 1 way. Nobody signed him.

I haven't watched GR because the Wings are actually watchable this season. I assume Hanas got dropped down because Mazur and Burger came back. That should certainly help, but ideally you want your top pick playing with experienced guys that can score, like Hirose or Burger.

I would think if he was looking like a guy who deserved to be on the top line with someone like Hirose then he’d be playing there. The fact that he’s not doing much on the 3rd line doesn’t convince me the opposite is true.

Hanas put up .5 ppg in his first year in the AHL and ZAR has put up points in the AHL previously. I think we are reaching to blame them for Kasper not doing more, when in reality a lot of it is just on Kasper. Both in not earning a spot higher in the lineup, and not doing more with the opportunity he has currently.

 

[raymond23]

What has he actually looked like? You are in GR. I presume you are watching. If you are worried about production, what specifically is holding him back?

He’s just not as noticeable as I expected. Doesn’t get the puck much or do much with it when he does. Kinda like sophomore year Larkin

Doesn’t look anything like the guy in the SHL. Hopefully it’s just an adjustment thing but I was expecting more to be honest

 

[jaster]

1+0 thru 7 games is simply not good enough for a top 10 pick. I am absolutely worried

Where's Henkka? Can we fight small sample sizes with small sample sizes up in here please?

 

[raymond23]

Where's Henkka? Can we fight small sample sizes with small sample sizes up in here please?

I’m sure they’re cooking something good up and hopefully it’s positive lol

 

[Henkka]

When Fabbri will return at Detroit... that would push Czarnik down.... Mazur returned... Berggren returned.

Suddenly you have Berggren - Czarnik - Mazur as a 1st line...
... and your former 1st line as 2nd line...
your former 2nd line as 3rd line...
your former 3rd line as 4th line...


Everything will cumulate and Griffins will start winning.

 

[SantosHalper]

and even the fact that GR lost their longtime captain in Lashoff

Well technically the Hoff is still there but Griffins will be fine in a long run. Some growth pain at the start.

 

[Killerjas]

What is GR doing? Are they tanking for the 1st overall pick in the AHL draft or some shit?

 

[Gniwder]

I would think if he was looking like a guy who deserved to be on the top line with someone like Hirose then he’d be playing there. The fact that he’s not doing much on the 3rd line doesn’t convince me the opposite is true.

Hanas put up .5 ppg in his first year in the AHL and ZAR has put up points in the AHL previously. I think we are reaching to blame them for Kasper not doing more, when in reality a lot of it is just on Kasper. Both in not earning a spot higher in the lineup, and not doing more with the opportunity he has currently.

I don't believe in slotting kids above their play in the NHL, but AHL is a development league. You really don't want your top pick playing in the bottom 6. Might as well send him back to the SHL.

 

[Frk It]

I don't believe in slotting kids above their play in the NHL, but AHL is a development league. You really don't want your top pick playing in the bottom 6. Might as well send him back to the SHL.

The AHL is not a developmental league and neither is the SHL.

Sorry these kids are facing adversity? Sorry the coaches are making them work for a bigger role?

I don’t see the issue here, but agree to disagree I guess. Let’s see how the rest of the season goes in Grand Rapids. I think some of the kids will get bigger roles as the year goes on and the team will do better. If not then maybe there will be a cause for concern. These 7 games or whatever don’t really change how I see Kasper as a prospect.

Plus it’s not like there aren’t any prospects getting opportunities in Grand Rapids so far this year, Edvinsson and Cossa are getting a good amount of run from what I understand.

 

[Gniwder]

The AHL is not a developmental league and neither is the SHL.

Sorry these kids are facing adversity? Sorry the coaches are making them work for a bigger role?

I don’t see the issue here, but agree to disagree I guess. Let’s see how the rest of the season goes in Grand Rapids. I think some of the kids will get bigger roles as the year goes on and the team will do better. If not then maybe there will be a cause for concern. These 7 games or whatever don’t really change how I see Kasper as a prospect.

Plus it’s not like there aren’t any prospects getting opportunities in Grand Rapids so far this year, Edvinsson and Cossa are getting a good amount of run from what I understand.

Frequently Asked Questions

theahl.com

In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players’ Association have the following development rule in place:

Of the eighteen (18) skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least thirteen (13) must be qualified as “development players.” Of those 13, twelve (12) must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season.


.... but what the hell do I know, lol.

 

[Frk It]

Frequently Asked Questions

theahl.com

In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players’ Association have the following development rule in place:

Of the eighteen (18) skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least thirteen (13) must be qualified as “development players.” Of those 13, twelve (12) must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season.


.... but what the hell do I know, lol.

Go check the top lines of AHL teams across the league and you will see a number of them don’t have prospects on them.

Also like 50% of most AHL rosters are comprised of players who won’t play a game in the NHL in the next 5 years.

But if you want to take something copied and pasted from the AHL website as all you need, go for it.

 

[Gniwder]

Go check the top lines of AHL teams across the league and you will see a number of them don’t have prospects on them.

Also like 50% of most AHL rosters are comprised of players who won’t play a game in the NHL in the next 5 years.

But if you want to take something copied and pasted from the AHL website as all you need, go for it.

You can't develop players in a vacuum, you need some veterans like Lashoff, an enforcer like McIlrath, and a guy that can score like Barber did.

Plus I think more players are going through the SHL and college than before, but fact of the matter is, the AHL has a veteran rule. It is a developmental league, the vet rule actually forces a lot of players to go to Europe if they can't cut it in the NHL.

 

[RRhoads]

When there is a limit to how many players you can have over the age of 25 it is safe to call it a development league.

 

[Henkka]

So they played a good game (lost in a shootout, better at regular time) against Cleveland, which is one of the strongest AHL teams, and now people are freaking out?

 

[GoBoltz56]

So they played a good game (lost in a shootout, better at regular time) against Cleveland, which is one of the strongest AHL teams, and now people are freaking out?

Hooray, they lost! Better?

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

I think Ed has the higher potential because he skates like the wind, is 6'6, and has good offensive vision, and a solid shot. With that said I agree that it is unlikely that he is better than Seider after it all plays out. What I think is more likely is that he turns into a Jaybo like dman. IE solid points, and a great minute muncher but not per say a top 10 dman in the league. I don't know if he has the intangibles to drive him into that tier. Toolbox wise he has more than Seider but Seider has the intangibles to drive to that next level, I'm not sure Ed does. Sort of like how a guy like Mantha has a great toolbox but is out performed by a guy like Larkin, who may not be quite as skilled but drives the play more.

If Seider continues to develop his physical game and work on his shot it is going to harder and harder for Ed to reach his level.

I would say that JayBo is Edvinsson's floor.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

The AHL is not a developmental league and neither is the SHL.

Sorry these kids are facing adversity? Sorry the coaches are making them work for a bigger role?

I don’t see the issue here, but agree to disagree I guess. Let’s see how the rest of the season goes in Grand Rapids. I think some of the kids will get bigger roles as the year goes on and the team will do better. If not then maybe there will be a cause for concern. These 7 games or whatever don’t really change how I see Kasper as a prospect.

Plus it’s not like there aren’t any prospects getting opportunities in Grand Rapids so far this year, Edvinsson and Cossa are getting a good amount of run from what I understand.

The SHL is not a developmental league, the AHL is. Just look at the average ages of the rosters if you have any doubts.

 

[newfy]

I would say that JayBo is Edvinsson's floor.

Bouwmeester is a multi time Olympic athlete, played in multiple world cups as well. Calling him Edvinssons floor means you either dont remember how good Bouwmeester actualy was, or your expectations are out of whack

 

[Killerjas]

The SHL is not a developmental league, the AHL is. Just look at the average ages of the rosters if you have any doubts.

I thought the AHL was a tough guy league

 

[Christien]

GR is having quite the 2nd period, outshooting Milwaukee 20-8. They look deadly. Also, I wouldn't be shocked to see Lombardi really break out this year and have a big season. He's doing good at center and has been good defensively.

 

[schuelma24]