Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins Discussion

[norrisnick]

Can anyone see edvinsson being better than seider at his peak?

Yup. He's got better physical tools. The trick will be for both of them to steal a bit of each other's personality. Ed can use a bit of Mo's edge and willingness to run through a guy. And Mo at times could do with some of Ed's ice-cold calm.

 

[Chris Langlois]

Yup. He's got better physical tools. The trick will be for both of them to steal a bit of each other's personality. Ed can use a bit of Mo's edge and willingness to run through a guy. And Mo at times could do with some of Ed's ice-cold calm.

I don't understand everyone's obsession with this. Not every player needs to have an edge to them. This annoys me. I love that edvinsson has a calmness to his game. He's just so smooth. You know who else didn't have an edge to their game and were calm? Nick Lidstrom and he played a high level his entire career.

 

[norrisnick]

I don't understand everyone's obsession with this. Not every player needs to have an edge to them. This annoys me. I love that edvinsson has a calmness to his game. He's just so smooth. You know who else didn't have an edge to their game and were calm? Nick Lidstrom and he played a high level his entire career.

I'm not saying Pronger 2.0 here. I'm just saying that at times it would be beneficial to go through a guy rather than trying to reach or skate around them. If you are never out of position you can be as calm as you want. Ed doesn't have Nick's brain and predictive abilities, so at times he's going to have to come up with more creative solutions to defensive problems. EDIT to add, I also haven't seen ED with anywhere near the hand-eye-stick coordination/quickness that Nick had. So he's going to have to be a bit more assertive to tie someone and/or their stick up as he can't just rely on swatting the puck away like Nick did.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Yup. He's got better physical tools. The trick will be for both of them to steal a bit of each other's personality. Ed can use a bit of Mo's edge and willingness to run through a guy. And Mo at times could do with some of Ed's ice-cold calm.

Edvinsson is pretty physical. Gets him trouble at times. Penalties, injuries, getting out of position. I'm not sure this is something he should force more of into his game.

 

[schuelma24]

 

[NickH8]

GR Calder cup incoming

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Edvinsson is pretty physical. Gets him trouble at times. Penalties, injuries, getting out of position. I'm not sure this is something he should force more of into his game.

I think we're just talking about pace and intensity.

 

[Christien]

Mazur and Berggren officially back in the lineup tonight per Bob Kaser

 

[DTR]

 

[Filppula]

Ridiculous really that legit prospects Viro, Johansson and Tuomisto can’t get in the line-up. That’s really poor IMO.

 

[Christien]

Ridiculous really that legit prospects Viro, Johansson and Tuomisto can’t get in the line-up. That’s really poor IMO.

Yeah McIsaac in over Johansson is unreal really

edit: Johansson is hurt, just found out

 

[Christien]

Johansson's injury isn't serious, could be back as soon as this weekend

 

[schuelma24]

 

[Filppula]

That video was a letdown.

But that goal is perfect prospects wise!

 

[Christien]

Edvinsson's goal was a nice snipe. Griffins can't stay out of the penalty box in the second period and Cleveland is getting away with murder and not getting called whatsoever

That video was a letdown.

But that goal is perfect prospects wise!

 

[jaster]

Can anyone see edvinsson being better than seider at his peak?

Several posters expect Edvinsson to be better. I think the odds are slim. And that’s not a knock on Edvinsson, just a testament to how good Seider is.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Another L. Not looking good for Dan Watson so far.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Griffs force OT with under a sec left

 

[Gniwder]

So the #8OA pick is on the third line playing with plug ZAR and Cross?

Meanwhile AHL journeyman Gettinger gets top billing?

Gonna be while before we see Kasper playing for the Wings.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

So the #8OA pick is on the third line playing with plug ZAR and Cross?

Meanwhile AHL journeyman Gettinger gets top billing?

Gonna be while before we see Kasper playing for the Wings.

don’t agree with it but GRR is trying to win games. Gettinger had 2 goals last night

 

[TheOctopusKid]

One thing to consider here:

There are two competing goals here: Win AHL Games vs. Prepare Prospects for the NHL

Anecdotally, there were times where I would go into tournaments a would be considerably suboptimal because my goal wasn't to win it, but to work on developing consistency and execution that I would need at a higher level - i.e. I could keep doing what I was doing and win the tournament and perform, but that wouldn't help me at the collegiate level etc.

Prospects, and younger players are generally "inconsistent" "needs to learn how to play the right way" "working on bringing it" "handle the grind" or whatever euphemism that we often here from front office, coaches, and veterans. It's not that these kids aren't working hard (i.e. trying), they are but with maturity they learn about how to work effectively. To address the things in their games, to break down not necessarily "bad" habits but strengthen and develop better ones and sometimes that means losing or looking lost for a while.

If that's what's happening here, I'm all for it because I could care less about a Calder Cup but time will tell as we see how these batch of prospects look when they come up to the NHL and are able to hang with the speed and skill of the game - how polished they are.

 

[Frk It]

So the #8OA pick is on the third line playing with plug ZAR and Cross?

Meanwhile AHL journeyman Gettinger gets top billing?

Gonna be while before we see Kasper playing for the Wings.

Aston-Reese is a more than capable linemate for the AHL. Look what he has done in the AHL previously. Hanas is not a bad player to play with either.

I believe Kasper has been on the 3rd line all year so far, not sure why you are picking this game to single out?

The kid hasn't really done much with the opportunity he has been given so far, so not sure why we think he deserves a bigger one? Sounds like you want him to be gifted a spot he hasn't earned with his play. Not sure that is the right approach.

 

[DTR]

Kasper doesn’t look confident to me. I think he’s still adjusting to the North American game, but I also think he’s tentative from that injury he suffered last year. I will be far more concerned if this is all we are seeing come January.

It definitely isn’t helping that the entire team is basically snakebitten.

 

[19 for president]

Several posters expect Edvinsson to be better. I think the odds are slim. And that’s not a knock on Edvinsson, just a testament to how good Seider is.

I think Ed has the higher potential because he skates like the wind, is 6'6, and has good offensive vision, and a solid shot. With that said I agree that it is unlikely that he is better than Seider after it all plays out. What I think is more likely is that he turns into a Jaybo like dman. IE solid points, and a great minute muncher but not per say a top 10 dman in the league. I don't know if he has the intangibles to drive him into that tier. Toolbox wise he has more than Seider but Seider has the intangibles to drive to that next level, I'm not sure Ed does. Sort of like how a guy like Mantha has a great toolbox but is out performed by a guy like Larkin, who may not be quite as skilled but drives the play more.

If Seider continues to develop his physical game and work on his shot it is going to harder and harder for Ed to reach his level.

 

[19 for president]

As for GRs struggles I think that its important to remember that most of this team is new to GR.

Shine, Spezia and Hirose are the only guys that played a full season last year. Soderblom and Hanas both had injury/callup shortened seasons. Berggren was in the NHL. Mazur, Kasper, Lombardi are brand new to the AHL minus a game or two. Gettinger, Aston-Ressem and Stevens are new vets. Returning basically 1 line of 4 is going to cause a big shakeup chemistry wise.

The D is a bit better but even there added 3 people there (Rafferty, Wallinder, Didier) with Aljo being out.

And now you have Cossa as the starter who spent most of the last year in the ECHL.

I mean there is turnover in the AHL every year but that is still a lot. The Wings had a lot of vet turnover last year, and a lot of high end prospects make the jump from overseas. Add to that a brand new coach and system and even the fact that GR lost their longtime captain in Lashoff, and I'm not surprised they are struggling.