GDT: Golden Knights @ Sens - Monthy Python edition - 7:00pm (11:00pm London, UK time) - TSN 5

[Alex1234]

This is the problem with Chabot in a nutshell, even at 5 on 5. Right decisions, just waaaaay too late, every time. It's easily one of the most frustrating things I have ever seen at the NHL level.

I just dont understand how hes fallen so low

-Only worlds juniors MVP defenseman in history (2017)
-Put up 55 points in 70 games (2018-19)
-Usually Skates like the wind and is faster then 99.7% of the league

Now he scares me when touches the puck lol

 

[Micklebot]

Individual mistakes not system issues lost us the game.

- Edit: missed the first goal, they came in with speed and caused some havoc but Chabot literally tee'd it u for Stone in the slot, not sure where Chabot was trying to go with the puck there.
-Sanderson got walked on the second goal
-Sanderson turned over the puck at our Blueline and got bullied on the third goal
-Stützle made a brutal turnover on the PP resulting in a two on one that Chabot misplayed on the fourth goal
-Debrincat fanned on a pass in front of our net turning it over with nobody back for the fifth goal

4 of the goals against had very little or nothing to do with us having a porous defence or bad system; coaching isn't likely to change what happened that game.

We actually played pretty well, Forberg had an off night likely due to fatigue, and we made some sloppy individual plays. Clean up the individual stuff and get Talbot in nets to shoulder some of the load going forward and we'll winn a lot of games playing the way we did last night.

 

[bert]

If 72 is even a little below average they atleast get to o.t. I was at the game there was a point in the second period around the 6 minute mark where he made a terrible change almost giving up a 2-0. He screamed at the bench, you could hear it in the 200 level... Followed by terrible body language. The team was down big and DJ/Capuono had a chance to send a message and bench him the rest of the period. It was the perfect opportunity. They did not do it and his horrid game continued. Was very disappointing. This guy needs a massive wake up call.

 

[GCK]

Let’s do it lol. Pick a bar we all go

Or we could go to a game.

 

[bert]

Lol you're such a smart guy eh?

Maybe some of us look at the overall picture and see how Dj Smith just can't seem to get his players to play a consistent game, much less have them not looking like lost sheep in the D zone.

Oh the irony.

Proceeds to tell said poster why he is so smart. Without an ounce of evidence as to why he is smarter just that his view is superior because he says so.

The numbers don't really support the notion that this is a bad defensive team. They're top-10 in xGA, top-10 in scoring chances allowed, and 12th in high danger chances allowed. That seems pretty good, no? Even on the PK they're limiting chances better than they have in many years. Structurally the team is more than fine.

They are having a lot of problems with individual execution. Lots of unforced turnovers in bad areas of the ice - there isn't much that coaching can do to fix what Chabot, DeBrincat and Stutzle did tonight on the first, fourth and fifth goals tonight. They're also not getting stops on the dangerous chances they do concede [sixth worst HDSV% at 77%].

Other than the Leafs and Panthers games they've been good at 5-on-5.

Now here is a poster that's watching the games identifying the consistent problem and applying statistics to back it up. Thank you. The bolded is an accurate assessment of the teams issues defensively. Ultimately it's been very poor execution consistently by alot of this team's most important players. I'll buy an argument that perhaps the individual skill work is on the overall coaching staff but at the end of the day these are individual mistakes for the most part.

Capuono is the coach that runs the D core correct? He is the one distributing the icetime. He is the problem more than DJ. As the forwards are run pretty well. I think a new assistant might be what they need back there. And some accountability for some of the Stars.

Was happy Talbot played well. Felt bad for Forsberg. Team really hung him out to dry. Stutzle had a great game. Brassard played too much.

I'd like to see Kelly Kastelic Watson back together they play well and have an identity. Gambrell was buzzing he fits the play style of Joseph and Motte.

Good hard fought battle. Didn't get the bounces and the teams number 1 d is playing terrible hockey. Hard to win when the guy that's on the ice most is playing this poorly.

 

[GCK]

This roster is built to outscore teams not to be a lockdown team. The same posters who complain about “structure and system” are the ones who want Brannstrom in the top 4 and think Batherson, who is our worst defensive forward, is a complete player.

 

[Alex1234]

Individual mistakes not system issues lost us the game.

- Edit: missed the first goal, they came in with speed and caused some havoc but Chabot literally tee'd it u for Stone in the slot, not sure where Chabot was trying to go with the puck there.
-Sanderson got walked on the second goal
-Sanderson turned over the puck at our Blueline and got bullied on the third goal
-Stützle made a brutal turnover on the PP resulting in a two on one that Chabot misplayed on the fourth goal
-Debrincat fanned on a pass in front of our net turning it over with nobody back for the fifth goal

4 of the goals against had very little or nothing to do with us having a porous defence or bad system; coaching isn't likely to change what happened that game.

We actually played pretty well, Forberg had an off night likely due to fatigue, and we made some sloppy individual plays. Clean up the individual stuff and get Talbot in nets to shoulder some of the load going forward and we'll winn a lot of games playing the way we did last night.

This
Nothing to do with structure
Mental errors all over the place

 

[Golden_Jet]

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Pretty good numbers, even better if click 5 on 5. Gave away too many pucks and then in the back of the net, also needed a few key saves.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Or we could go to a game.

Yeah HF section the entire section is bickering all game.

Brassard as the extra attacker was very much a move by DJ smith.

 

[NB613]

If 72 is even a little below average they atleast get to o.t. I was at the game there was a point in the second period around the 6 minute mark where he made a terrible change almost giving up a 2-0. He screamed at the bench, you could hear it in the 200 level... Followed by terrible body language. The team was down big and DJ/Capuono had a chance to send a message and bench him the rest of the period. It was the perfect opportunity. They did not do it and his horrid game continued. Was very disappointing. This guy needs a massive wake up call.

Couldn’t agree more.

Compare that to Sanderson’s response to his mistakes (atleast 1 directly resulted in a goal), where he was calm and poised, didnt let the mistakes ruin his confidence, and played really well defensively and in transition.

Brannstrom has also shown that he can hold his own and can easily be the main puck mover on a pairing.

Im tired of these “excuses” that the Sens dont have the personnel to reduce Chabots ice time (even reducing through a benching that was well deserved last night…). Woukd rather bench him than have him miss an entire game.

Bottom line: wake-up DJ - do the “hard things” under his control before he doesnt have any control no more

 

[Micklebot]

Couldn’t agree more.

Compare that to Sanderson’s response to his mistakes (atleast 1 directly resulted in a goal), where he was calm and poised, didnt let the mistakes ruin his confidence, and played really well defensively and in transition.

Brannstrom has also shown that he can hold his own and can easily be the main puck mover on a pairing.

Im tired of these “excuses” that the Sens dont have the personnel to reduce Chabots ice time (even reducing through a benching that was well deserved last night…). Woukd rather bench him than have him miss an entire game.

Bottom line: wake-up DJ - do the “hard things” under his control before he doesnt have any control no more

I respect that up until now, he wanted to let one of the leaders on this team work his way through his issues, but we're 10 games in and I haven't seen progress from Chabot.

We got to dial back his mins till he gets his head on straight, PP imo is the first place to start, not sure if we take him off outright (might be too harsh) or just move him to the second unit and tell him until he gets his 5v5 game going we need to limit his pp time so he can focus on one thing at a time.

 

[GCK]

We are pot committed on Chabot. He’s going to have to figure it out on his own. It’s a mental issue that he needs to overcome.

I respect that up until now, he wanted to let one of the leaders on this team work his way through his issues, but we're 10 games in and I haven't seen progress from Chabot.

We got to dial back his mins till he gets his head on straight, PP imo is the first place to start, not sure if we take him off outright (might be too harsh) or just move him to the second unit and tell him until he gets his 5v5 game going we need to limit his pp time so he can focus on one thing at a time.

Sanderson and Brannstrom both had 1:30 more PP time than Chabot last night. I really enjoyed seeing Sandy and Branny on the PP together. I hope this wasn’t just a one off.

 

[BoardsofCanada]

The Sens are a young talented team that make a ton of mistakes. I totally agree with the post above. This is not a "systems" issue... this is a young team off to a slow start (just like the previous two years).

They will get rolling at some point this season and the mistakes will become fewer and fewer. If it's too late for the playoffs then such is life. But DJ is not getting fired. So you can all put your pitch forks away.

 

[Mingus Dew]

The Sens are a young talented team that make a ton of mistakes. I totally agree with the post above. This is not a "systems" issue... this is a young team off to a slow start (just like the previous two years).

They will get rolling at some point this season and the mistakes will become fewer and fewer. If it's too late for the playoffs then such is life. But DJ is not getting fired. So you can all put your pitch forks away.

I'm generally in the camp of this being an execution rather than a system problem. Although I'm on record as not really liking the defensive system that is in place even when the guys play it properly.

If we miss the playoffs after 20 games because we started slow and sloppy AGAIN that's going to be a tough pill to swallow. How does it keep happening?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Couldn’t agree more.

Compare that to Sanderson’s response to his mistakes (atleast 1 directly resulted in a goal), where he was calm and poised, didnt let the mistakes ruin his confidence, and played really well defensively and in transition.

Brannstrom has also shown that he can hold his own and can easily be the main puck mover on a pairing.

Im tired of these “excuses” that the Sens dont have the personnel to reduce Chabots ice time (even reducing through a benching that was well deserved last night…). Woukd rather bench him than have him miss an entire game.

Bottom line: wake-up DJ - do the “hard things” under his control before he doesnt have any control no more

Chabot was also a guy that could rebound easily from mistakes. Something happened along the way. I actually don’t think that he can’t. But he plus so often that it’s like another mistake is bound to happen

 

[Micklebot]

If we miss the playoffs after 20 games because we started slow and sloppy AGAIN that's going to be a tough pill to swallow. How does it keep happening?

We had a really tough schedule to start,

-Boston has lost one game all year, to us.
-Vegas is the best defensive team in the league, allowed 4 goals only once this year, to us
-Dallas is leading their division, second in the league in goals against per game, and top 10 in goals for
-Tampa, Tor, Fla, and Min averaged 115 pts a piece last year.
-Buffalo is emerging as a really good young team and is second in the division, 5th in the league.
That leaves Washington and Arizona, we played well against both and won though.

It's a tough league with lots of parity, you can't have off nights and expect to win, but we've managed to be in every game down to the final minutes. There are things that need cleaning up to be sure, but we haven't played poorly overall, just made some poor plays that have cost us.

 

[Viletho]

This
Nothing to do with structure
Mental errors all over the place

You are right but playing devil advocate, maybe not for yesterday's game but overall.

Not being well position because of a lack of structure or because you don't apply it correctly can also lead to individual mistake. Again maybe not for yesterday's game.

But I see that a lot, they finally get to the puck but they are on their back end. The opposition see that and charged them hard. They are often not well position which lead to mistake

On offence, they often enter the zone and stop skating and they are searching for a pass. Just the demonstrate the contrary, Their are 2 sequence yesterday were Sanderson saw an opening. He take the lead to skate the puck deep into Vegas zone. One resulted in a penalty, the other lead them to zone time at 6v5.

They can skate themselve out of trouble offensively and defensively if needed. "Always keep your feet moving" It really help if you are always ready

 

[slamigo]

When everyone is making mistakes, it's hard to chalk it up to 20 individual people all making errors. When the whole team seems to be forcing things, or playing without focus, or constantly committing uncharacteristic (for that player) mistakes, you have to look at coaching. DJ isn't getting his team ready to start games.

It seems like they only get into games when they abandon systems and the players start to do their own thing. Which isn't good.

 

[Viletho]

We are pot committed on Chabot. He’s going to have to figure it out on his own. It’s a mental issue that he needs to overcome.


Sanderson and Brannstrom both had 1:30 more PP time than Chabot last night. I really enjoyed seeing Sandy and Branny on the PP together. I hope this wasn’t just a one off.

The PP is something that DJ do adjust when needed. When the PP1 doesn't go, he goes with the PP2. Credit to him.

I really don't like the PP1. They don't move at all. Stutzle can skate around 5 opponents at 5v5 but can't handle the puck at 5v4 in a static role. Let him skate. Let him confuse opponent.

Kaprizov with Minny is never at the same place he skate around when it is needed. It's important to create confusion, to move the defence, to not be predictable and move fast.

Sanderson on the wall was great. It open himself to be more creative and he has a very good hard pass.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I just dont understand how hes fallen so low

-Only worlds juniors MVP defenseman in history (2017)
-Put up 55 points in 70 games (2018-19)
-Usually Skates like the wind and is faster then 99.7% of the league

Now he scares me when touches the puck lol

Run a guy 30 minutes a night during tanking years and saddle him with one of the worst defensive d men in the league aaaaannndddd this sort of thing can happen

 

[Mingus Dew]

We had a really tough schedule to start,

-Boston has lost one game all year, to us.
-Vegas is the best defensive team in the league, allowed 4 goals only once this year, to us
-Dallas is leading their division, second in the league in goals against per game, and top 10 in goals for
-Tampa, Tor, Fla, and Min averaged 115 pts a piece last year.
-Buffalo is emerging as a really good young team and is second in the division, 5th in the league.
That leaves Washington and Arizona, we played well against both and won though.

It's a tough league with lots of parity, you can't have off nights and expect to win, but we've managed to be in every game down to the final minutes. There are things that need cleaning up to be sure, but we haven't played poorly overall, just made some poor plays that have cost us.

I get it.

But the problem is that we've lost those games because of mental mistakes and miscues and general sloppy play. Like you said, off nights.

They are going to happen, but if we are stringing 4, 5, 6 or so of them together every year when the season starts we are going to be behind the 8 ball forever.

We're a young team but at a certain point that's not an excuse. Buffalo is younger than us and they've won 7 of their first 10.

 

[bert]

Run a guy 30 minutes a night during tanking years and saddle him with one of the worst defensive d men in the league aaaaannndddd this sort of thing can happen

He certainly has developed some bad habits. Tall task to coach out of him but last night was a missed opportunity.

I am most concerned about a player wearing a letter yelling at teammates when he is individually struggling. Projecting when he should be doing the opposite. Not the type of leadership a young team needs. Now if behind closed doors he is owning it and telling his teammates that's OK. We don't see it so we don't know I was just taken back by his body language last night.

 

[HSF]

This roster is built to outscore teams not to be a lockdown team. The same posters who complain about “structure and system” are the ones who want Brannstrom in the top 4 and think Batherson, who is our worst defensive forward, is a complete player.

If we are built to outscore teams then we should probably start doing that

 

[bert]

I get it.

But the problem is that we've lost those games because of mental mistakes and miscues and general sloppy play. Like you said, off nights.

They are going to happen, but if we are stringing 4, 5, 6 or so of them together every year when the season starts we are going to be behind the 8 ball forever.

We're a young team but at a certain point that's not an excuse. Buffalo is younger than us and they've won 7 of their first 10.

The big difference I see is their number 1 d man is playing like a man possessed and ours is going through his worst stretch of hockey in his career. Flip those guys and you likely flip the teams records.

 

[Mingus Dew]

The big difference I see is their number 1 d man is playing like a man possessed and ours is going through his worst stretch of hockey in his career. Flip those guys and you likely flip the teams records.

It would certainly help. Another reason why the "we're young" argument doesn't hold a lot of water for me is because the really young guys are not the ones sinking this team atm.